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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Issue Tracker] input of submitters/bug fixers needed

by Marcus Denker

On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:34 PM, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > Thank you for taking care of this, Marcus! > > While we're on the subject, there have been some issues which were not > resolved that were closed due to e.g. inactivity. I totally understand the > need to keep the bug tracker to a manageable size, but I feel that something > is lost when we do this. For example, a few times I've encountered a bug, > felt like I'd seen it before, checked the issue tracker and didn't see it > even though I was pretty sure I had already reported it, only to find out > after a bit of head-scratching that I had reported it, it still existed, but > had been closed. I find it very confusing. > > Thinking about how to have it all, I thought that we should have a status > especially for these cases, so that they still exist, but can be easily > filtered out; something like "Stale". Actually, then we can probably be even > more agressive tagging them and getting them out of the way because they > will not disappear. My feeling is that this is still an "Active" status, > because there are definitely some long-standing bugs that we continuously > gather info about and there should be an obvious place to gather those bits. > On the other hand, even if it was a "Resolved" status, at least I'd know > right where to look if I didn't see my issue and could have a filter to > easily revive an inactive issue that was found to still be a problem. > > What do you think? > The problem is that if we have over 500 entries, people just give up. They say "what use is it to fix 1, there are just too many". And just how important is an issue that had no activity for 3 years? Marcus

Sept. 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Issue Tracker] input of submitters/bug fixers needed

by Sean P. DeNigris

Thank you for taking care of this, Marcus! While we're on the subject, there have been some issues which were not resolved that were closed due to e.g. inactivity. I totally understand the need to keep the bug tracker to a manageable size, but I feel that something is lost when we do this. For example, a few times I've encountered a bug, felt like I'd seen it before, checked the issue tracker and didn't see it even though I was pretty sure I had already reported it, only to find out after a bit of head-scratching that I had reported it, it still existed, but had been closed. I find it very confusing. Thinking about how to have it all, I thought that we should have a status especially for these cases, so that they still exist, but can be easily filtered out; something like "Stale". Actually, then we can probably be even more agressive tagging them and getting them out of the way because they will not disappear. My feeling is that this is still an "Active" status, because there are definitely some long-standing bugs that we continuously gather info about and there should be an obvious place to gather those bits. On the other hand, even if it was a "Resolved" status, at least I'd know right where to look if I didn't see my issue and could have a filter to easily revive an inactive issue that was found to still be a problem. What do you think? Thanks. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-Tracker-input-of-submitters-bug-fixers-needed-t… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu

by kilon

yeap definetly excited. I love python, but really missed such an IDE as pharo. But now I can say I found the tool I was always looking for. :) Ok tried , latest PharoLauncher on windows. Brogress bars work well, it even displays a third one for unziping the files. But I found a bug, it cant launch the image. Does not understand in ExternalWindowProcess >> value , nextPutAll:. There is however a comment inside the method that says : "FIXME: Close the initial pipe handles. For now, I have not implemented passing these to the child, and there is no support yet for nonblocking Windows OS pipes. Once those are available, this method needs to change to support." Is this why image launching fails, or is it unrelated ? btc wrote > great to see your enthusiasm :) :) > > cheers -ben > > kilon wrote: >> YEAH I DID IT !!! HAHAHAHA >> >> I am one of you now :D >> >> I Implemented the progress bar. Well it displays 2 progress bars. I >> assume >> the first one is for unzipping the file though it does not progress , >> could >> be something else. But the second one works like a charm , even displays >> the >> percentage of download and progress with each 1%. Beautiful and way way >> way >> easier than I expected , I just copied a method from monticello and had >> to >> add signalProgress: True to PHDownloader method that downloads the file >> via >> Zinc. >> >> So happy :D >> >> So now I am off to improve it, see if I can add progress also for >> unzipping >> the file and further improve the GUI. Ready or not here I come :D >> >> Thanks Sven for helping me out. I committed to the smalltalkhub repo, I >> have >> not added it to the Configuration because I want you guys to test it >> first >> to make sure I dont mess things up though I should not since I have not >> touched the existing methods apart from adding that simple message. So I >> dont know if you get the enhancement if you simply download the image. So >> go >> to monticello and get latest commit, you should see my name in there. >> >> Dammien , Sven if you have any advice as always I am open to suggestions >> :) >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/ANN-Launching-Pharo-on-Ubuntu-tp4709757p4710415.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> >> -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Launching-Pharo-on-Ubuntu-tp4709757p4710524.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OT] What's Your Next Language on the Javascript Platform?

by kilon

Voted . Ok be sincere how many of you actually use amber ? :D -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/OT-What-s-Your-Next-Language-on-the-Javascript-Platfo… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 26, 2013

For those with arm / back problems -> Code by Voice

by kilon

Here is a very nice presentation for coding by voice using emacs. It should work for pharo too via shampoo ( https://github.com/dmatveev/shampoo-emacs <https://github.com/dmatveev/shampoo-emacs> ) Here is the presentation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkdfdXWYaI <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkdfdXWYaI> coding by voice starts at 9:00 for those in hurry to see what the big deal is. I must say I am really impressed by it. Did not expect it to be so flexible / fast / efficient. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/For-those-with-arm-back-problems-Code-by-Voice-tp4710… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [PROVENANCE INTERNET] Re: A simple File browser ?

by Goubier Thierry

Le 26/09/2013 11:47, Erwan Douaille a Ã©crit : > > > > 2013/9/26 Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr > <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> > > Solution: > > (UIManager default chooseFullFileName: 'Choose an Icon' extensions: > nil path: nil preview: nil) asFileReference > > So coool :) Thanks ! > > We could probably clean up a bit those chooseXXX methods :) > > > Yes, just browsing it looks horrible :) > Just as a reminder, we should open an issue. And Marcus is saying we have too many open :) Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Sept. 26, 2013

[OT] What's Your Next Language on the Javascript Platform?

by Esteban Lorenzano

not bad :) http://www.infoq.com/research/languages-on-javascript-platform

Sept. 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [PROVENANCE INTERNET] Re: A simple File browser ?

by Erwan Douaille

2013/9/26 Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> > Solution: > > (UIManager default chooseFullFileName: 'Choose an Icon' extensions: nil > path: nil preview: nil) asFileReference > > So coool :) Thanks ! > We could probably clean up a bit those chooseXXX methods :) > > Yes, just browsing it looks horrible :) Just as a reminder, we should open an issue. > Thierry > > Le 26/09/2013 11:30, Goubier Thierry a Ã©crit : > >> Ouch. Looks like it's not really usable then if it returns only the file >> name. >> >> I'll have a deeper look and push an issue then. >> >> Thierry >> >> Le 26/09/2013 11:16, Erwan Douaille a Ã©crit : >> >>> It returns the file name, do you know how can i get the full path or a >>> >>> FileReference ? :) >>> >>> 2013/9/26 Erwan Douaille <douailleerwan(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:douailleerwan@gmail.**com <douailleerwan(a)gmail.com>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/9/26 Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr >>> <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr**>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Why don't you want to use the default, as in: >>> >>> UIManager default chooseFileMatching: nil >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Because i didn't know than it exist :) >>> It looks what i expected >>> >>> Thanks ! :) >>> >>> >>> Thierry >>> >>> Le 26/09/2013 10:40, Erwan Douaille a Ã©crit : >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would like to know if something like, a file browser ui >>> containing a >>> select button, exist ? >>> Something really simple, just for browse and select one >>> file. In my case >>> i need it for import new icons. >>> >>> Thanks :) >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.**com<douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com> >>> > >>> <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail._**_com >>> >>> <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.**com<douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thierry Goubier >>> CEA list >>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>> France >>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.**com <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.**com <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com>>> >>> >> >> > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 > > -- Best regards, Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com>

Sept. 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [PROVENANCE INTERNET] Re: A simple File browser ?

by Goubier Thierry

Solution: (UIManager default chooseFullFileName: 'Choose an Icon' extensions: nil path: nil preview: nil) asFileReference We could probably clean up a bit those chooseXXX methods :) Thierry Le 26/09/2013 11:30, Goubier Thierry a Ã©crit : > Ouch. Looks like it's not really usable then if it returns only the file > name. > > I'll have a deeper look and push an issue then. > > Thierry > > Le 26/09/2013 11:16, Erwan Douaille a Ã©crit : >> It returns the file name, do you know how can i get the full path or a >> FileReference ? :) >> >> 2013/9/26 Erwan Douaille <douailleerwan(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:douailleerwan@gmail.com>> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/9/26 Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr >> <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> >> >> Hi, >> >> Why don't you want to use the default, as in: >> >> UIManager default chooseFileMatching: nil >> >> ? >> >> Because i didn't know than it exist :) >> It looks what i expected >> >> Thanks ! :) >> >> >> Thierry >> >> Le 26/09/2013 10:40, Erwan Douaille a Ã©crit : >> >> Hi, >> >> I would like to know if something like, a file browser ui >> containing a >> select button, exist ? >> Something really simple, just for browse and select one >> file. In my case >> i need it for import new icons. >> >> Thanks :) >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.com> >> <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.__com >> <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.com>>> >> >> >> -- >> Thierry Goubier >> CEA list >> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >> France >> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.com>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.com>> > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Sept. 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] A simple File browser ?

by Goubier Thierry

Ouch. Looks like it's not really usable then if it returns only the file name. I'll have a deeper look and push an issue then. Thierry Le 26/09/2013 11:16, Erwan Douaille a Ã©crit : > It returns the file name, do you know how can i get the full path or a > FileReference ? :) > > 2013/9/26 Erwan Douaille <douailleerwan(a)gmail.com > <mailto:douailleerwan@gmail.com>> > > > > > 2013/9/26 Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr > <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> > > Hi, > > Why don't you want to use the default, as in: > > UIManager default chooseFileMatching: nil > > ? > > Because i didn't know than it exist :) > It looks what i expected > > Thanks ! :) > > > Thierry > > Le 26/09/2013 10:40, Erwan Douaille a Ã©crit : > > Hi, > > I would like to know if something like, a file browser ui > containing a > select button, exist ? > Something really simple, just for browse and select one > file. In my case > i need it for import new icons. > > Thanks :) > > -- > Best regards, > > Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com > <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.com> > <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.__com > <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.com>>> > > > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 > > > > > -- > Best regards, > > Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com > <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.com>> > > > > > -- > Best regards, > > Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com <mailto:douaille.erwan@gmail.com>> -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Sept. 26, 2013