August 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] method vs. selector consistency?

by Stephan Eggermont

Stef wrote: >So I would like to rename them accordingly. >What do you think? +1 I love consistent naming. And I'd love a list of packages on squeaksource, ss3 and smalltalkhub using these selectors in their latest version. Stephan

Aug. 29, 2013

method vs. selector consistency?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

methodsInCategory: aName "Answer a list of the methods of the receiver that are in category named aName" | aColl | aColl := Set withAll: (self organization listAtCategoryNamed: aName). ^ aColl asArray sort allMethodsInCategory: aName "Answer a list of all the methods of the receiver and all its superclasses that are in the category named aName" | aColl | aColl := OrderedCollection new. self withAllSuperclasses do: [:aClass | aColl addAll: (aClass organization listAtCategoryNamed: aName) ]. ^ aColl asSet asArray sort uncategorizedMethods ^ self methodsInCategory: Protocol unclassified all these methods returns selectors and not compiled methods. So I would like to rename them accordingly. What do you think? Stef

Aug. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] It was a productive and nice sprint.

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

in the bug tracker Igor spent the day chasing bad registration hanging around and fixing the tools to let him get there. stef On Aug 29, 2013, at 7:00 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Thank you! > > Where can I see the pointer explorer? > > Doru > > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:00 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Thanks all for your good energy. > I will push some of the fixes in the stream too :) > > For the non participating guys we got > - compiler fixes > - faster tests > - cleans in morphic > - better pointer explorer > - critics browser working > - grease better configuration > - and many moreâ¦ > > Stef > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] It was a productive and nice sprint.

by Tudor Girba

Thank you! Where can I see the pointer explorer? Doru On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:00 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > Thanks all for your good energy. > I will push some of the fixes in the stream too :) > > For the non participating guys we got > - compiler fixes > - faster tests > - cleans in morphic > - better pointer explorer > - critics browser working > - grease better configuration > - and many moreâ¦ > > Stef > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Filing in chunks

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2013/8/28 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > > On Aug 28, 2013, at 3:14 AM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> What is the "official" way to file in chunks in Pharo? >> >> I'm porting something from Dolphin to Pharo 2, with no purpose of having >> compatibility between both (it is, I want to continue with it on Pharo). >> >> I've been manually "translating" the chunk from Dolphin into Pharo format, >> but the problem is... I can't find a way to File In the file contents! > > you can simply drop the file on the world. Simpler than expected. :) >> Using the File Explorer, there is a contextual menu in the contents pane of >> the selected file "FileIn Selection (G)", but as soon as I select some >> chunks or the whole contents to file In I get a MessageNotUnderstood of >> #fileIn in ReadWriteStream (the selected contents). > > this is a bug can you open an issue if it is still there in Pharo30 I don't have a Pharo30 image here, but will download one later to check. >> I couldn't find another menu for filing in in a Workspace (expected), >> SystemBrowser (Nautilus) nor anywhere else. I'm doing it with 'myChanges.st' >> asFileReference fileIn >> >> But I was expecting more user friendly, like a chunk browser. > > No there is no such tools. We are working on a new change browser and may be we will support importing > cs but I doubt for now. That's fine, filing it into a new changeset and being able to go change by change in the dual change sorter will do it. I almost filed 200 kb of code (~70 classes) using the expression above. Now it's time to polish what's in. Thanks again.

Aug. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Recent VM for Pharo 2 on Ubuntu 8.04

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-08-28, at 21:37, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 28 Aug 2013, at 17:41, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> just because I have vocation of service :) >> >> <pharovm-u804.tar.gz> > > Fantastic ! > > It works perfectly well on my old Ubuntu 8.04. > > I assume from the build date that you compiled this today, especially for me - I will have to buy you a nice beer or two next time we meet. > > Thanks again, > > Sven > > PS: lets keep this vm around for future use already done: http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/ as advised by esteban ;)

Aug. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] It was a productive and nice sprint.

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Thank you! :) Esteban A. Maringolo 2013/8/28 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > Thanks all for your good energy. > I will push some of the fixes in the stream too :) > > For the non participating guys we got > - compiler fixes > - faster tests > - cleans in morphic > - better pointer explorer > - critics browser working > - grease better configuration > - and many moreâ¦ > > Stef

Aug. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Recent VM for Pharo 2 on Ubuntu 8.04

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Fantastic ! > > It works perfectly well on my old Ubuntu 8.04. > > I assume from the build date that you compiled this today, especially for me - I will have to buy you a nice beer or two next time we meet. :) > > Thanks again, > > Sven > > PS: lets keep this vm around for future use :)

Aug. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Recent VM for Pharo 2 on Ubuntu 8.04

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 28 Aug 2013, at 17:41, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > just because I have vocation of service :) > > <pharovm-u804.tar.gz> Fantastic ! It works perfectly well on my old Ubuntu 8.04. I assume from the build date that you compiled this today, especially for me - I will have to buy you a nice beer or two next time we meet. Thanks again, Sven PS: lets keep this vm around for future use > enjoy, > Esteban > > > On Aug 28, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > >> >> On 28 Aug 2013, at 15:36, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >>> Indeed I do not see how we could provide support that oracle does not. >>> We should be realistic. >> >> I know our resources are limited, but some arguments in this discussion are just wrong. >> >> It might at the moment not be possible to run the latest JVM on Ubuntu 8.04, but it is still possible to run Java on such older systems, many VM's that came after the inception date of 8.04. For example. we run java 7 (2011) on ubuntu 8.04 (2008) >> >> On the other hand, Pharo 2.0 was released with support for 8.04 AFAIK and now, after minor updates, it no longer works. That is completely different, IMHO. >> >> And AFAICT newer images require newer, pharo specific VM's, so using the older release VM's doesn't seem to work. >> >> But unless someone says, 'here take this vm', I don't require support, I will work around it, it is just frustrating. >> >>>>>> for older systems, you are by your own. Is like that, yes. >>>>>> >>>>>> We cannot maintain all VM for all possible configurations. Nobody can do that, not even canonical, less us. Ubuntu 8.04 is just too old. >>>>>> >>>>>> Even JVM is not supported on Ubuntu 8.04: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/config-417990.html >>>>>> (latest is 10.04... which we support, or intent to at least) >>>>>> Also... we are not oracle, we have more limited resources. >>>>>> >>>>>> So , is not a workaround. Is the only reasonable solution: every software provider in earth supports a limited amount of system configurations, usually from some years ago, we provide at least the sources, instructions and support in the form of help/answering questions. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is not the only instance of the problem. >>>>> If I'm not much mistaken, same problem has been recently reported for Debian 7 >>>>> (Laszlo Zsolt KIss, 08/08/13 10:43). As Andres pointed out (08/08/13 14:40), it's libc is 17 months old. The proposed "solution" was the same - recompile on target system. >>>> >>>> in that moment answer was: compile it yourself until we provide a working version (which we now provide). >>>> Ubuntu 8 is another problem :( >>>> but do not get me wrong... is not that I do not would want to help... is just that I need to be realistic about what I can and what I don't :( >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> To make me clear, I have no problem if you say "Sorry, we don't support >>>>> anything older than 12 months. Or 3 years. Or ...". I just don't think >>>>> that asking people to recompile whenever there is glibc dependency problem is "real solution". >>>>> >>>>> I'm very sorry for starting this pointless discussion. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we can offer support (but should be pretty straight forward, specially in linux systems). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I disagree with the solution proposed in (2), the cost of maintaining such approach would be exponential. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, not really. There aren't many of those (at least, weren't in my case) and I found out that sometimes I could do better (faster) job :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> you are invited to provide your working version, it would be cool for everybody :) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, I've done it for a different VM :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, Jan >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >

Aug. 28, 2013

It was a productive and nice sprint.

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks all for your good energy. I will push some of the fixes in the stream too :) For the non participating guys we got - compiler fixes - faster tests - cleans in morphic - better pointer explorer - critics browser working - grease better configuration - and many moreâ¦ Stef

Aug. 28, 2013