August 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] default of completion

by Esteban Lorenzano

+100 On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Completion should always be on. If it is perceived to be not useful, it means the completion identification mechanism must be improved. Turning the completion off will not make it likely to improve the mechanism behind. > > Doru > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > use startup preferences and your done. > @rmod we prefer it on. > > On 2013-08-21, at 15:00, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > Should it not be better to have the automatic code completion turned off? > > 90% of the time I do not want to see it. Am I the only one to experience this? > > > > I know this has been discussed some times ago, but this is really annoying. > > > > Alexandre > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] default of completion

by Tudor Girba

Completion should always be on. If it is perceived to be not useful, it means the completion identification mechanism must be improved. Turning the completion off will not make it likely to improve the mechanism behind. Doru On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: > use startup preferences and your done. > @rmod we prefer it on. > > On 2013-08-21, at 15:00, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > Should it not be better to have the automatic code completion turned off? > > 90% of the time I do not want to see it. Am I the only one to experience > this? > > > > I know this has been discussed some times ago, but this is really > annoying. > > > > Alexandre > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] default of completion

by Camillo Bruni

use startup preferences and your done. @rmod we prefer it on. On 2013-08-21, at 15:00, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Hi! > > Should it not be better to have the automatic code completion turned off? > 90% of the time I do not want to see it. Am I the only one to experience this? > > I know this has been discussed some times ago, but this is really annoying. > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >

Aug. 21, 2013

default of completion

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi! Should it not be better to have the automatic code completion turned off? 90% of the time I do not want to see it. Am I the only one to experience this? I know this has been discussed some times ago, but this is really annoying. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] build times

by Camillo Bruni

More details of which test package consumed how much time: 30322 https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/405/label=… 30323 https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/406/label=… could it be, that the superclass method check causes so much more overhead? I definitely see 250 newly executed tests, but that accounts for ~2% of the tests... On 2013-08-21, at 14:36, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The current build times for pharo are 3mins slower than when I left on holidays, what happened? > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/label=mac/… > > => between august 5 and 6, we got 2.5 minutes slower under the mac slave! > > I assume it's update 30323 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/acf125b589ee03bef1d028dd…

Aug. 21, 2013

build times

by Camillo Bruni

The current build times for pharo are 3mins slower than when I left on holidays, what happened? https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/label=mac/… => between august 5 and 6, we got 2.5 minutes slower under the mac slave! I assume it's update 30323 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/acf125b589ee03bef1d028dd…

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] reflection examples

by Dennis Schetinin

Wouldn't cooperative remote programing (when two or more developers are connected to the same image from local ones) require such (dynamic) adaptation? I mean, local proxies would have to reflect remote changes on-the-fly to reflect objects in browsers, inspectors etc. â¦Or, what do you mean by adaptation here? Any links to formally definitions will be appreciated. -- Best regards, Dennis Schetinin 2013/8/21 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> > Hi, > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:40 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> >> On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I am preparing a set of talks that have reflection at the center. >> >> Obviously, I want to use Pharo to demonstrate reflection. I am now >> looking for examples that can be explained to programmer newbies (actually, >> managers). I am particularly looking for examples that include adaptation >> (not just inspection) and that can show that reflection is valuable. >> >> I already have some examples in mind, but they might not appear >> particularly valuable. For example: >> - inspecting a class: Object methods. >> - adapting a class: Object compile: 'answer ^ 42'. >> >> >> Scaffolding patterns (read them) >> Increase productivity when brainstorming. >> > > What patterns are you referring to specifically? Any link? > > >> Use DNU to compile on the fly some methods or to copy methods when you >> are designing a new piece of functionality >> > > Yes, that is a nice path, and I am looking for specific scenarios that can > be used for a short demo. Any ideas? > > >> Proxy how to implement them nicely >> > > Proxies are indeed interesting and not difficult to explain, but the > examples I think of (such as a facade, or a logger) do not really show > adaptation. Does anyone have other examples? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > >> >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> >> >> > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30338

by Camillo Bruni

Thanks Sebastian, Stef/Igor more details please? On 2013-08-21, at 13:54, Sebastian Tleye <stleye(a)gmail.com> wrote: > There are some problems in NativeBoost if a method does not belong to the > class itself, i don't understand the problem very well but that is what > Igor and Stef told me. > > > 2013/8/21 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> > >> On 2013-08-21, at 09:36, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> 30338 >>> ----- >>> >>> 11428 Remove a buggy redundant test in FuelTests >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11428 >>> >>> 11417 Test for checking repeated code in superclasses must not watch in >> nativeBoost classes >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11417 >> >> why do we exclude NativeBoost from this sanity check? >>

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30338

by Sebastian Tleye

There are some problems in NativeBoost if a method does not belong to the class itself, i don't understand the problem very well but that is what Igor and Stef told me. 2013/8/21 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> > On 2013-08-21, at 09:36, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > 30338 > > ----- > > > > 11428 Remove a buggy redundant test in FuelTests > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11428 > > > > 11417 Test for checking repeated code in superclasses must not watch in > nativeBoost classes > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11417 > > why do we exclude NativeBoost from this sanity check? >

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30338

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-08-21, at 09:36, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > 30338 > ----- > > 11428 Remove a buggy redundant test in FuelTests > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11428 > > 11417 Test for checking repeated code in superclasses must not watch in nativeBoost classes > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11417 why do we exclude NativeBoost from this sanity check?

Aug. 21, 2013