August 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30338

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 2013-08-21, at 17:37, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> There are some problems in NativeBoost if a method does not belong to the >>>> class itself, i don't understand the problem very well but that is what >>>> Igor and Stef told me. >> >> >> Some methods are placeholder for generated code and the placeholder cannot be avoided and there is nothing wrong in the design. >> >> This is why such system wide tests should be replaced by rules that each package declare as false positive and adapt to the package own >> practice. > > but that doesn't justify that the methods have the same contents, AFAIK this is what the test compares. so do you think that we should generate method value 'foo1' value 'foo2' value 'foo3' just to satisfy a test that does not apply? > > And I still think form a outside viewpoint duplicated methods do not make sense at all, NativeBoost should be no exception there. > >

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] reflection examples

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

http://st-www.cs.illinois.edu/users/hanmer/PLoP-97/Proceedings.ps/auer.ps On Aug 21, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:40 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am preparing a set of talks that have reflection at the center. >> >> Obviously, I want to use Pharo to demonstrate reflection. I am now looking for examples that can be explained to programmer newbies (actually, managers). I am particularly looking for examples that include adaptation (not just inspection) and that can show that reflection is valuable. >> >> I already have some examples in mind, but they might not appear particularly valuable. For example: >> - inspecting a class: Object methods. >> - adapting a class: Object compile: 'answer ^ 42'. > > Scaffolding patterns (read them) > Increase productivity when brainstorming. > > What patterns are you referring to specifically? Any link? > > Use DNU to compile on the fly some methods or to copy methods when you are designing a new piece of functionality > > Yes, that is a nice path, and I am looking for specific scenarios that can be used for a short demo. Any ideas? > > Proxy how to implement them nicely > > Proxies are indeed interesting and not difficult to explain, but the examples I think of (such as a facade, or a logger) do not really show adaptation. Does anyone have other examples? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > >> Any suggestions? >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30338

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-08-21, at 17:37, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> There are some problems in NativeBoost if a method does not belong to the >>> class itself, i don't understand the problem very well but that is what >>> Igor and Stef told me. > > > Some methods are placeholder for generated code and the placeholder cannot be avoided and there is nothing wrong in the design. > > This is why such system wide tests should be replaced by rules that each package declare as false positive and adapt to the package own > practice. but that doesn't justify that the methods have the same contents, AFAIK this is what the test compares. And I still think form a outside viewpoint duplicated methods do not make sense at all, NativeBoost should be no exception there.

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30338

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> There are some problems in NativeBoost if a method does not belong to the >> class itself, i don't understand the problem very well but that is what >> Igor and Stef told me. Some methods are placeholder for generated code and the placeholder cannot be avoided and there is nothing wrong in the design. This is why such system wide tests should be replaced by rules that each package declare as false positive and adapt to the package own practice. Stef

Aug. 21, 2013

broken update

by Camillo Bruni

the last update fails https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/label=mac/… what changed?

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] default of completion

by Alexandre Bergel

Really? I will want to see that at esug :-) Alexandre On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > +100 > > On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> Completion should always be on. If it is perceived to be not useful, it means the completion identification mechanism must be improved. Turning the completion off will not make it likely to improve the mechanism behind. >> >> Doru >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> use startup preferences and your done. >> @rmod we prefer it on. >> >> On 2013-08-21, at 15:00, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >> >> > Hi! >> > >> > Should it not be better to have the automatic code completion turned off? >> > 90% of the time I do not want to see it. Am I the only one to experience this? >> > >> > I know this has been discussed some times ago, but this is really annoying. >> > >> > Alexandre >> > -- >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo CI ConfigurationOfCI problem

by Camillo Bruni

there should be an /mc, I updated the configuration On 2013-08-21, at 17:09, Erwan Douaille <douailleerwan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > 2013/8/21 Tommaso Dal Sasso <tommaso.dal.sasso(a)usi.ch> > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm playing with come ConfigurationOf for my project, but I am having >> troubles loading the Pharo CI project from SmallTalkHub at >> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/ci >> When I try to load the project, an exception occurs, complaining that the >> ConfigurationOfXMLWriter cannot be found. >> >> Weird, i just tested it and its working. Did you load the latest > ConfigurationOfCI-ErwanDouaille.143 ? > > And then ConfigurationOfCI loadBleedingEdge. > > The problem seems to be in ConfigurationOfCI>>#xmlWriter, where the >> repository address is >> >> 'http://smalltalkhub.com/PharoExtras/XMLWriter/main' >> >> instead of >> >> 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/PharoExtras/XMLWriter/main' >> >> Still weird because mine is : > > repository: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/PharoExtras/XMLWriter/main'; > and its working :s > > >> With this correction I am able to complete the installation. >> Is it a typo or am I missing something? >> >> Thank you >> Tommaso Dal Sasso > > > -- > Best regards, > > Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com>

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo CI ConfigurationOfCI problem

by Erwan Douaille

Hi, 2013/8/21 Tommaso Dal Sasso <tommaso.dal.sasso(a)usi.ch> > Hi all, > > I'm playing with come ConfigurationOf for my project, but I am having > troubles loading the Pharo CI project from SmallTalkHub at > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/ci > When I try to load the project, an exception occurs, complaining that the > ConfigurationOfXMLWriter cannot be found. > > Weird, i just tested it and its working. Did you load the latest ConfigurationOfCI-ErwanDouaille.143 ? And then ConfigurationOfCI loadBleedingEdge. The problem seems to be in ConfigurationOfCI>>#xmlWriter, where the > repository address is > > 'http://smalltalkhub.com/PharoExtras/XMLWriter/main' > > instead of > > 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/PharoExtras/XMLWriter/main' > > Still weird because mine is : repository: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/PharoExtras/XMLWriter/main'; and its working :s > With this correction I am able to complete the installation. > Is it a typo or am I missing something? > > Thank you > Tommaso Dal Sasso -- Best regards, Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com>

Aug. 21, 2013

Pharo CI ConfigurationOfCI problem

by Tommaso Dal Sasso

Hi all, I'm playing with come ConfigurationOf for my project, but I am having troubles loading the Pharo CI project from SmallTalkHub at http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/ci When I try to load the project, an exception occurs, complaining that the ConfigurationOfXMLWriter cannot be found. The problem seems to be in ConfigurationOfCI>>#xmlWriter, where the repository address is 'http://smalltalkhub.com/PharoExtras/XMLWriter/main' instead of 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/PharoExtras/XMLWriter/main' With this correction I am able to complete the installation. Is it a typo or am I missing something? Thank you Tommaso Dal Sasso

Aug. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Sticky Morph ?

by Erwan Douaille

i will do it manually, whenMoved, if an other widget is close to 5 pixel then alignment. Thanks 2013/8/21 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > Not existing as far as I know :s > > On the other hand, it shouldn't be that complicated to have a manager for > that > > Ben > > On Aug 20, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Erwan Douaille <douailleerwan(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking for "sticky" morph. I means, i would like an automatic > alignment when 2 morphs are close both of them. > > There is already something existing ? > > I need it for the UIPainter canvas to make alignment more easier than > trying to move mouse when moprh are close to 1 pixel. > > Thanks for helping :) > > -- > Best regards, > > Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com> > > > -- Best regards, Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com>

Aug. 21, 2013