June 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] you may need to update your configurations

by Christophe Demarey

Le 19 juin 2013 Ã 16:36, Goubier Thierry a Ã©crit : > By the way, why the change in MonticelloFileTree-Core-ChristopheDemarey.97 breaks Pharo 2.0 ? Because this change comes from the FileTree branch used fro Pharo3 [1]. This small change avoid to use a deprecated method in Pharo3. It should not be used in Pharo2. [1] https://github.com/demarey/filetree/commit/dbdbf30a00bc1f8816773dc18888abe0…

June 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] you may need to update your configurations

by Esteban Lorenzano

important bugfixes can be integrated in 2.0, is not all white and black :) On Jun 19, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > > > Le 19/06/2013 16:17, Christophe Demarey a Ã©crit : >> >> Le 19 juin 2013 Ã 14:45, Goubier Thierry a Ã©crit : >> >>> Cool. >>> >>> Side question: Christophe, are you working on utf8 support for the >>> Monticello tools? I encountered encoding problems with ZipArchive. >> >> Not at all. There is some work from Nicolas integrated [1] but I'm not >> aware of other work on utf8 support. > > Ok. Looks nice :) > >> Christophe. >> >> [1] https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10801 > > Ouch. Does not bode too well for backporting that to Pharo 2.0. > > I'm feeling a bit down. It's either enduring bugs in 2.0 for a year or so or fighting every few days with 3.0 and knowing that anyway it's not production ready. I had to cope with 1.4 not being able to handle utf8 in the same way. > > The window for my next serious developpement with Pharo is around 2014, so I guess I could just sit and wait. > > By the way, why the change in MonticelloFileTree-Core-ChristopheDemarey.97 breaks Pharo 2.0 ? > > Thierry > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >

June 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] you may need to update your configurations

by Goubier Thierry

Le 19/06/2013 16:17, Christophe Demarey a Ã©crit : > > Le 19 juin 2013 Ã 14:45, Goubier Thierry a Ã©crit : > >> Cool. >> >> Side question: Christophe, are you working on utf8 support for the >> Monticello tools? I encountered encoding problems with ZipArchive. > > Not at all. There is some work from Nicolas integrated [1] but I'm not > aware of other work on utf8 support. Ok. Looks nice :) > Christophe. > > [1] https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10801 Ouch. Does not bode too well for backporting that to Pharo 2.0. I'm feeling a bit down. It's either enduring bugs in 2.0 for a year or so or fighting every few days with 3.0 and knowing that anyway it's not production ready. I had to cope with 1.4 not being able to handle utf8 in the same way. The window for my next serious developpement with Pharo is around 2014, so I guess I could just sit and wait. By the way, why the change in MonticelloFileTree-Core-ChristopheDemarey.97 breaks Pharo 2.0 ? Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

June 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] VMMaker + Cog building in Pharo20

by Guillermo Polito

Yes, but right now moving from FileDirectory to FileSystem will make harder the merge between VMMaker branches. And cleaning and removing stuff will make it worse... So either we keep the mess or we lose the ability to easily merge :) On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > On Jun 19, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > For example, I didn't even try to ensure RiscOSVMMaker port was complete. > And since I didn't have a way to test it, who knows? > > > RiscOS is dead since yearsâ¦ it was the OS of the PC like workstation that > Archimedes did in the 80ties. > (The company became ARM later, the ARM chip was the CPU that they > developed for that workstation). > > So it definitely is more a museum thingâ¦ I removed all code mentioning > RiscOS from Pharo a long time ago. > > > Marcus > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 19 June 2013 13:01, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >> > Guillermo Polito wrote >> >> VMMaker loads in Pharo2.0 and uses (mostly) Filesystem >> > >> > Nice work! >> > >> +1. >> >> Just one question: what "(mostly)" stands for? >> :) >> Is there parts which still using old stuff? >> >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > Cheers, >> > Sean >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Pharo-dev-Ann-VMMaker-Cog-building-in-Pharo20-tp46940… >> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> >> > >

June 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] you may need to update your configurations

by Christophe Demarey

Le 19 juin 2013 Ã 14:45, Goubier Thierry a Ã©crit : > Cool. > > Side question: Christophe, are you working on utf8 support for the Monticello tools? I encountered encoding problems with ZipArchive. Not at all. There is some work from Nicolas integrated [1] but I'm not aware of other work on utf8 support. Christophe. [1] https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10801

June 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] VMMaker + Cog building in Pharo20

by Marcus Denker

On Jun 19, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > For example, I didn't even try to ensure RiscOSVMMaker port was complete. And since I didn't have a way to test it, who knows? > RiscOS is dead since yearsâ¦ it was the OS of the PC like workstation that Archimedes did in the 80ties. (The company became ARM later, the ARM chip was the CPU that they developed for that workstation). So it definitely is more a museum thingâ¦ I removed all code mentioning RiscOS from Pharo a long time ago. Marcus > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 19 June 2013 13:01, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > Guillermo Polito wrote > >> VMMaker loads in Pharo2.0 and uses (mostly) Filesystem > > > > Nice work! > > > +1. > > Just one question: what "(mostly)" stands for? > :) > Is there parts which still using old stuff? > > > > > > > ----- > > Cheers, > > Sean > > -- > > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-dev-Ann-VMMaker-Cog-building-in-Pharo20-tp46940… > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > >

June 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] VMMaker + Cog building in Pharo20

by Guillermo Polito

For example, I didn't even try to ensure RiscOSVMMaker port was complete. And since I didn't have a way to test it, who knows? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 19 June 2013 13:01, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > Guillermo Polito wrote > >> VMMaker loads in Pharo2.0 and uses (mostly) Filesystem > > > > Nice work! > > > +1. > > Just one question: what "(mostly)" stands for? > :) > Is there parts which still using old stuff? > > > > > > > ----- > > Cheers, > > Sean > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo-dev-Ann-VMMaker-Cog-building-in-Pharo20-tp46940… > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > >

June 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] VMMaker + Cog building in Pharo20

by Igor Stasenko

On 19 June 2013 13:01, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > Guillermo Polito wrote >> VMMaker loads in Pharo2.0 and uses (mostly) Filesystem > > Nice work! > +1. Just one question: what "(mostly)" stands for? :) Is there parts which still using old stuff? > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-dev-Ann-VMMaker-Cog-building-in-Pharo20-tp46940… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

June 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] A little demo of Cade

by Igor Stasenko

On 19 June 2013 14:03, Tristan Bourgois <tristan.bourgois(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2013/6/19 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> >> >> nice! >> but i don't really understand what happening (yes it is about >> creating/changing graphical stuff, but that's not enough). :) > > > What's happening is a secret! I should kill you if I told you! :p Seriously, > I have some security, licence and confidential problem with speaking of how > this framework works. It's very difficult to know on my work the limits of > what I can say without have legal problem with ThalÃ¨s. > > That's why we are working to push it open-source :) > Yes, because i would like to help you, but i can't because you cannot even tell me where problem is. >> maybe next time you should add comments while doing something , what you >> doing. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

June 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] you may need to update your configurations

by Goubier Thierry

Cool. Side question: Christophe, are you working on utf8 support for the Monticello tools? I encountered encoding problems with ZipArchive. Thierry Le 19/06/2013 13:53, Christophe Demarey a Ã©crit : > Hello, > > Since the update #30205, Pharo 3.0 will not be recognized anymore as a > Pharo 2.0 platform (from the metacello point of view). > It means that if you have specific pharo 2.0 instructions in your > configurations and you want to work on Pharo 3.0, you should add pharo > 3.0 support in the configuration. > > For example: > spec for: #'pharo1.4.x' version: '1.9'. > spec for: #'pharo2.x' version: '1.10'. > spec for: #'pharo3.x' version: '1.11'. > or : > spec > for: #'pharo2.x' > do: [ ... ] > spec > for: #'pharo3.x' > do: [ ... ] > Regards, > Christophe. > > Le 19 juin 2013 Ã 07:49, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : > >> 30205 >> ----- >> >> 10951 Debugger add new Method class choice dialog should show traits >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10951 >> >> 10958 Tabs model >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10958 >> >> 10959 metacelloPlatformAttributes not updated for Pharo3 >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10959 >> >> 10960 Pass on Tabs >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10960 >> >> 10961 Fix pluggableTextMorphWithLimits color >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10961 >> >> >> Diff information: >> http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Tools-MarcusDenker.1147.diff >> http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Tabs-MarcusDenker.16.diff >> http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/System-Support-MarcusDenker.8… >> http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Spec-Widgets-MarcusDenker.199… >> http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Spec-Core-MarcusDenker.132.di… >> http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Morphic-Base-MarcusDenker.15.… >> http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/DebuggerModel-MarcusDenker.39… >> >> > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

June 19, 2013