June 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by Pablo R. Digonzelli

hi all, for me ppa works very well. Ing. Pablo Digonzelli Sofware Solutions IP Soluciones SRL 25 de Mayo 521. Entrepiso A email: pdigonzelli(a)softsargentina.com email: pdigonzelli(a)gmail.com twitter: @pdigonzelli Tel: 0381 4227378 Cel: 0381 155982714 ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Damien Cassou" <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> Para: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Enviados: Martes, 25 de Junio 2013 17:44:23 Asunto: Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04 Hi Kilon, On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:49 PM, kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > wait a sec , who said PPA solves my problem ? Damien have you tested it ? yes PPA is intended to solve this particular problem. If it does not work for you then it is a failure. Nevertheless, I tried the PPA on several blank systems (32 and 64 bits) and it worked fine. Could you please report a bug on pharo.fogbugz.com and fill it in the "Ubuntu packaging (ppa:pharo/stable)" project? Thank you -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Conflict merging resolution is a bit doomed :)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jun 25, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 2013-06-25, at 19:19, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Imagine that you have a conflict because a method changed in the image >> and that the resolution is please keep the version that was in the slice, >> then you republish a slice with the same method and when the integrator will do >> merge he will get again: there is a conflict with the different version that it is the image. >> So from a person performing a fix there is no way that I can produce a slice >> that does not produce a conflict. > > why would that be? the new slice will have the changed method in it. which new method? because it is the same than it got already before! Here is what I did: took the slice, merge and for one conflict I said keep incoming republish the slice => when I remerge on a new image then what? I have a conflict why? Because there is still in the ****image*** the same method that changed since I publish my slice and my slice that contains always the same methods that I want to keep. Did this scenario work for you? Because today it did not work for me. > this is what I do all the time I have a big change and It doesn't get integrated but I have > to keep it up to date with the image. > - reload the slice > - do the manual merging > - recommit the slice again > > maybe we're thinking of something different. > >>> I don't understand. If you merge and recommit it is fine, since the new slice will have different ancestors the 3-way merge won't complain a second time, no? >>> >>> On 2013-06-25, at 11:49, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> Hi guys >>>> >>>> I do not know how I can republish a Slice when there is a conflict. Especially when I merged and say that I want to keep the change I did. So we are in the deadlock. There is no way for the fix producers to indicate that >>>> he merged and that his changes should be keep. >>>> >>>> So from a bug integration process this is not really good. >>>> >>>> Stef >>> >>> >> >> > >

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by Damien Cassou

Hi Kilon, On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:49 PM, kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > wait a sec , who said PPA solves my problem ? Damien have you tested it ? yes PPA is intended to solve this particular problem. If it does not work for you then it is a failure. Nevertheless, I tried the PPA on several blank systems (32 and 64 bits) and it worked fine. Could you please report a bug on pharo.fogbugz.com and fill it in the "Ubuntu packaging (ppa:pharo/stable)" project? Thank you -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Conflict merging resolution is a bit doomed :)

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-06-25, at 19:19, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Imagine that you have a conflict because a method changed in the image > and that the resolution is please keep the version that was in the slice, > then you republish a slice with the same method and when the integrator will do > merge he will get again: there is a conflict with the different version that it is the image. > So from a person performing a fix there is no way that I can produce a slice > that does not produce a conflict. why would that be? the new slice will have the changed method in it. this is what I do all the time I have a big change and It doesn't get integrated but I have to keep it up to date with the image. - reload the slice - do the manual merging - recommit the slice again maybe we're thinking of something different. >> I don't understand. If you merge and recommit it is fine, since the new slice will have different ancestors the 3-way merge won't complain a second time, no? >> >> On 2013-06-25, at 11:49, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> Hi guys >>> >>> I do not know how I can republish a Slice when there is a conflict. Especially when I merged and say that I want to keep the change I did. So we are in the deadlock. There is no way for the fix producers to indicate that >>> he merged and that his changes should be keep. >>> >>> So from a bug integration process this is not really good. >>> >>> Stef >> >> > >

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jun 25, 2013, at 7:49 PM, kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > wait a sec , who said PPA solves my problem ? Damien have you tested it ? > > PPA did not solve my problem ! It complained about missing a X11 something > library and never allowed me to open the image. The problem got away when I > used the instructions to install those libraries. If you intended it to be > that easy then I advise you to test it on a 64 bit ubuntu without those 32 > bit compatibility libraries. > > Of course not having a 64 bit version when pretty much any programming > language out there that it takes itself seriously (intended to be used > professionally ) has one, is not exactly good first impression for pharo or > squeak. I am sorry to be so strict and I am downgrading anyone's effort but > if you guys are serious about making people taking pharo seriously , you > better realise thats its 2013 and we are still stuck with a 32 bit version > and we do a buch of none sense to get pharo running. > > Maybe the pharo efforts should be diverted towards that direction. How many languages are solely based on real open-source efforts (without large companies putting money and resources on the table)? Because so far we got 3 years engineers from inria for Pharo. Stef

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> > > There was something along the lines of ia32-libs but it may be deprecated with the advent of multilibs in Ubuntu/Debian, I need to check. > > Yes, it's either : > > sudo apt-get install ia32-libs > > or > > sudo apt-get install ia32-libs-multiarch:i386 > >> Just basic info how to install pharo on linux should be enough. Afterall >> amd64 is what every modern pc would use. > > I completely agree with you :) oh yes. We are concerned about it. This is why we are setting up the consortium and hope that we will be able to pay one engineer with it. Now if more people would help on other fronts we would be able to allocate more time to other places :) Stef

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30221

by Sean P. DeNigris

Andrei Vasile Chis wrote > They are not implemented because at beginning I didn't needed them :). > They > will be added soon (https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10952) Maybe this would be a good time to jettison cruft i.e. don't implement things until someone requests them ;) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-dev-update-3-0-30221-tp4695055p4695166.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-06-25, at 20:41, kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Well as I said, I am in no way downgrading your efforts. And I know you are > not exactly Sun , or Python Foundation. > > It works for me, I did not say it does not. It works perfectly on windows > and macos and on linux when i install the 32 bit compatibility libraries > works as well. > > If you implement a way to detect whether a 64 bit linux system lack those > libraries and install them , I think it wont be a problem at all. Or if that > is hard, just add some instructiosn on the website , its just one liner its > not that big deal. actually the zeroconf script was built towards that direction, but currently fails to provide decent feedback. I think we can improve this situation quite a bit by referring to the PPA in the zeroconf script! > Another thing I have observed with the website is that it lacks a donate > button, it would be nice if you requested donation like for example pypy > website is doing it > > http://pypy.org/ <http://pypy.org/> > > why not make the 64 bit , a donation target ? I would most certainly would > like to donate towards that goal and get more coders working on this. How > that sounds ? actually I like the idea of financing subprojects of Pharo that way!

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by kilon

Well as I said, I am in no way downgrading your efforts. And I know you are not exactly Sun , or Python Foundation. It works for me, I did not say it does not. It works perfectly on windows and macos and on linux when i install the 32 bit compatibility libraries works as well. If you implement a way to detect whether a 64 bit linux system lack those libraries and install them , I think it wont be a problem at all. Or if that is hard, just add some instructiosn on the website , its just one liner its not that big deal. Another thing I have observed with the website is that it lacks a donate button, it would be nice if you requested donation like for example pypy website is doing it http://pypy.org/ <http://pypy.org/> why not make the 64 bit , a donation target ? I would most certainly would like to donate towards that goal and get more coders working on this. How that sounds ? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-dev-Pharo-does-not-work-on-ubuntu-13-04-tp46950… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by Esteban Lorenzano

eventually (not too far from now), we will have a 64bits Stack VM... but we will not (or not soon, at least) have a Cog 64 bits... The JIT needs to be redone to work there... so... we still need 32bits architectures to work on 64bits... and basically they work. I wonder why it does not work for you :( Esteban On Jun 25, 2013, at 7:49 PM, kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > wait a sec , who said PPA solves my problem ? Damien have you tested it ? > > PPA did not solve my problem ! It complained about missing a X11 something > library and never allowed me to open the image. The problem got away when I > used the instructions to install those libraries. If you intended it to be > that easy then I advise you to test it on a 64 bit ubuntu without those 32 > bit compatibility libraries. > > Of course not having a 64 bit version when pretty much any programming > language out there that it takes itself seriously (intended to be used > professionally ) has one, is not exactly good first impression for pharo or > squeak. I am sorry to be so strict and I am downgrading anyone's effort but > if you guys are serious about making people taking pharo seriously , you > better realise thats its 2013 and we are still stuck with a 32 bit version > and we do a buch of none sense to get pharo running. > > Maybe the pharo efforts should be diverted towards that direction. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-dev-Pharo-does-not-work-on-ubuntu-13-04-tp46950… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

June 25, 2013