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Re: [Pharo-project] How i can retrieve the global by its name?

by stephane ducasse

> asGlobalOrSomethingLikeThat :-) ;D

May 2, 2013

[Pharo-project] [regression reporter]regression occurred

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https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/./label=wi… 1 regressions found. KernelTests.Methods.CompiledMethodTest.testCopyWithTrailerBytes

May 2, 2013

[Pharo-project] [regression reporter]regression occurred

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May 2, 2013

[Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30083

by Marcus Denker

30083 ----- 10474 Undeclared filteringBlockHolder on NewList https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10474 10469 ClassDescriptionTest uncategorized method and make ClassTest >> #testUnCategorizedMethods more verbose https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10469 10473 #equivalentTo: on CompiledMethod should call #methodNode, not decompile https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10473 Diff information: http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Traits-MarcusDenker.494 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Spec-Widgets-MarcusDenker.134 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/SUnit-Core-MarcusDenker.71 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Kernel-MarcusDenker.1406

May 2, 2013

[Pharo-project] [regression reporter]regression occurred

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https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/./label=li… 1 regressions found. KernelTests.Methods.CompiledMethodTest.testCopyWithTrailerBytes

May 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] How i can retrieve the global by its name?

by Guillermo Polito

But today using Smalltalk everywhere means that we are always using the same environment, and that does not look like a big deal to anybody :)... And then, that's easily solved by doing some simple stuff if you like specify an environment, isn't it? Symbol>>asClass self asClassInEnvironment: self class environment Symbol>>asClassInEnvironment: anEnvironment anEnvironment globals at: self On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Nicolas Cellier < nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > But practically, when are you interested to query existence of a global > which is not a class? > > Concerning asClass, it does not resolve anything, how do you specify the > environment? > Will it be included into the String and decoded? 'MyEnvironment.MyClass' > asClass? > What if you don't provide a fully qualified string? > > > 2013/5/2 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > >> asGlobalOrSomethingLikeThat :-) >> >> -- Pavel >> >> >> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 11:59 AM, stephane ducasse < >> stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >>> >>> On May 2, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > What's "global"? Even if you haven't implemented scoped environments, >>> > rather use a name that doesn't imply that you'll never have scoped >>> > environments. >>> >>> :) >>> this is why I proposed asClass >>> >>> Now asGlobal can be interpreted as as globally accessible stuff. >>> >>> >>> > #asClass sounds better, except for Guillermo's point about well-known >>> > things that aren't classes. >>> > >>> > frank >>> > >>> > On 2 May 2013 09:31, Nicolas Cellier < >>> nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> Sounds a bit like VW #{ } >>> >> >>> >> This sounds good to me, but don't use globalBinding, I would expect >>> this one >>> >> to answer the binding (Asociation) rather than the value. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 2013/5/2 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 02 May 2013, at 06:03, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi, all >>> >>>> >>> >>>> do not think that i am drunk or vent crazy, asking such silly >>> >>>> question, which at best should be asked only by beginner :) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I know the answer: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Smalltalk at: #SomeName >>> >>>> >>> >>>> or >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Smalltalk globals at: #SomeName >>> >>>> >>> >>>> what stroke me, just now, that both answers is wrong! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> It should be: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> #SomeName asGlobal >>> >>>> >>> >>>> (or suggest more appropriate/precise method name for a symbol) >>> >>> >>> >>> ConfigurationOfXYZ globalValue project bleedingEdge load. >>> >>> >>> >>> ConfigurationOfXYZ globalValueIfPresent: [ :configuration | >>> configuration >>> >>> project bleedingEdge load ] >>> >>> >>> >>> An alternative could be globalBinding, but that is more technical. >>> >>> >>> >>> #asGlobal sounds like a conversion, on the other hand it is an >>> accepted >>> >>> idiom. >>> >>> >>> >>>> optionally, we could also have one, with handling absent case: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> #SomeName asGlobalIfAbsent: [] >>> >>>> >>> >>>> same , but only if present: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> #SomeName asGlobalIfPresent: [:global | ] >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Currently, there is 941 references to 'Smalltalk' global in my pharo >>> >>>> image. >>> >>>> If we introduce this convenience method, it will shrink this number >>> >>>> considerably, >>> >>>> not saying that code will be more elegant and concise compare: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> (Smalltalk globals at: #Foo) doSomething >>> >>>> >>> >>>> and >>> >>>> >>> >>>> #Foo asGlobal doSomething >>> >>>> >>> >>>> P.S. What really strikes me is why we don't have such method from >>> very >>> >>>> beginning, >>> >>>> and instead refer to 'Smalltalk' all over the places. >>> >>>> Some things are so deeply indoctrinated in our minds, that we don't >>> >>>> even think that it can be different. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Best regards, >>> >>>> Igor Stasenko. >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >

May 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] How i can retrieve the global by its name?

by Nicolas Cellier

But practically, when are you interested to query existence of a global which is not a class? Concerning asClass, it does not resolve anything, how do you specify the environment? Will it be included into the String and decoded? 'MyEnvironment.MyClass' asClass? What if you don't provide a fully qualified string? 2013/5/2 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > asGlobalOrSomethingLikeThat :-) > > -- Pavel > > > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 11:59 AM, stephane ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> >> On May 2, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > What's "global"? Even if you haven't implemented scoped environments, >> > rather use a name that doesn't imply that you'll never have scoped >> > environments. >> >> :) >> this is why I proposed asClass >> >> Now asGlobal can be interpreted as as globally accessible stuff. >> >> >> > #asClass sounds better, except for Guillermo's point about well-known >> > things that aren't classes. >> > >> > frank >> > >> > On 2 May 2013 09:31, Nicolas Cellier < >> nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Sounds a bit like VW #{ } >> >> >> >> This sounds good to me, but don't use globalBinding, I would expect >> this one >> >> to answer the binding (Asociation) rather than the value. >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/5/2 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 02 May 2013, at 06:03, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hi, all >> >>>> >> >>>> do not think that i am drunk or vent crazy, asking such silly >> >>>> question, which at best should be asked only by beginner :) >> >>>> >> >>>> I know the answer: >> >>>> >> >>>> Smalltalk at: #SomeName >> >>>> >> >>>> or >> >>>> >> >>>> Smalltalk globals at: #SomeName >> >>>> >> >>>> what stroke me, just now, that both answers is wrong! >> >>>> >> >>>> It should be: >> >>>> >> >>>> #SomeName asGlobal >> >>>> >> >>>> (or suggest more appropriate/precise method name for a symbol) >> >>> >> >>> ConfigurationOfXYZ globalValue project bleedingEdge load. >> >>> >> >>> ConfigurationOfXYZ globalValueIfPresent: [ :configuration | >> configuration >> >>> project bleedingEdge load ] >> >>> >> >>> An alternative could be globalBinding, but that is more technical. >> >>> >> >>> #asGlobal sounds like a conversion, on the other hand it is an >> accepted >> >>> idiom. >> >>> >> >>>> optionally, we could also have one, with handling absent case: >> >>>> >> >>>> #SomeName asGlobalIfAbsent: [] >> >>>> >> >>>> same , but only if present: >> >>>> >> >>>> #SomeName asGlobalIfPresent: [:global | ] >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Currently, there is 941 references to 'Smalltalk' global in my pharo >> >>>> image. >> >>>> If we introduce this convenience method, it will shrink this number >> >>>> considerably, >> >>>> not saying that code will be more elegant and concise compare: >> >>>> >> >>>> (Smalltalk globals at: #Foo) doSomething >> >>>> >> >>>> and >> >>>> >> >>>> #Foo asGlobal doSomething >> >>>> >> >>>> P.S. What really strikes me is why we don't have such method from >> very >> >>>> beginning, >> >>>> and instead refer to 'Smalltalk' all over the places. >> >>>> Some things are so deeply indoctrinated in our minds, that we don't >> >>>> even think that it can be different. >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Best regards, >> >>>> Igor Stasenko. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >

May 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] How i can retrieve the global by its name?

by Pavel Krivanek

asGlobalOrSomethingLikeThat :-) -- Pavel On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 11:59 AM, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr>wrote: > > On May 2, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > What's "global"? Even if you haven't implemented scoped environments, > > rather use a name that doesn't imply that you'll never have scoped > > environments. > > :) > this is why I proposed asClass > > Now asGlobal can be interpreted as as globally accessible stuff. > > > > #asClass sounds better, except for Guillermo's point about well-known > > things that aren't classes. > > > > frank > > > > On 2 May 2013 09:31, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Sounds a bit like VW #{ } > >> > >> This sounds good to me, but don't use globalBinding, I would expect > this one > >> to answer the binding (Asociation) rather than the value. > >> > >> > >> 2013/5/2 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 02 May 2013, at 06:03, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi, all > >>>> > >>>> do not think that i am drunk or vent crazy, asking such silly > >>>> question, which at best should be asked only by beginner :) > >>>> > >>>> I know the answer: > >>>> > >>>> Smalltalk at: #SomeName > >>>> > >>>> or > >>>> > >>>> Smalltalk globals at: #SomeName > >>>> > >>>> what stroke me, just now, that both answers is wrong! > >>>> > >>>> It should be: > >>>> > >>>> #SomeName asGlobal > >>>> > >>>> (or suggest more appropriate/precise method name for a symbol) > >>> > >>> ConfigurationOfXYZ globalValue project bleedingEdge load. > >>> > >>> ConfigurationOfXYZ globalValueIfPresent: [ :configuration | > configuration > >>> project bleedingEdge load ] > >>> > >>> An alternative could be globalBinding, but that is more technical. > >>> > >>> #asGlobal sounds like a conversion, on the other hand it is an accepted > >>> idiom. > >>> > >>>> optionally, we could also have one, with handling absent case: > >>>> > >>>> #SomeName asGlobalIfAbsent: [] > >>>> > >>>> same , but only if present: > >>>> > >>>> #SomeName asGlobalIfPresent: [:global | ] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Currently, there is 941 references to 'Smalltalk' global in my pharo > >>>> image. > >>>> If we introduce this convenience method, it will shrink this number > >>>> considerably, > >>>> not saying that code will be more elegant and concise compare: > >>>> > >>>> (Smalltalk globals at: #Foo) doSomething > >>>> > >>>> and > >>>> > >>>> #Foo asGlobal doSomething > >>>> > >>>> P.S. What really strikes me is why we don't have such method from very > >>>> beginning, > >>>> and instead refer to 'Smalltalk' all over the places. > >>>> Some things are so deeply indoctrinated in our minds, that we don't > >>>> even think that it can be different. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Igor Stasenko. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > >

May 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] How i can retrieve the global by its name?

by stephane ducasse

On May 2, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What's "global"? Even if you haven't implemented scoped environments, > rather use a name that doesn't imply that you'll never have scoped > environments. :) this is why I proposed asClass Now asGlobal can be interpreted as as globally accessible stuff. > #asClass sounds better, except for Guillermo's point about well-known > things that aren't classes. > > frank > > On 2 May 2013 09:31, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Sounds a bit like VW #{ } >> >> This sounds good to me, but don't use globalBinding, I would expect this one >> to answer the binding (Asociation) rather than the value. >> >> >> 2013/5/2 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>> >>> >>> On 02 May 2013, at 06:03, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, all >>>> >>>> do not think that i am drunk or vent crazy, asking such silly >>>> question, which at best should be asked only by beginner :) >>>> >>>> I know the answer: >>>> >>>> Smalltalk at: #SomeName >>>> >>>> or >>>> >>>> Smalltalk globals at: #SomeName >>>> >>>> what stroke me, just now, that both answers is wrong! >>>> >>>> It should be: >>>> >>>> #SomeName asGlobal >>>> >>>> (or suggest more appropriate/precise method name for a symbol) >>> >>> ConfigurationOfXYZ globalValue project bleedingEdge load. >>> >>> ConfigurationOfXYZ globalValueIfPresent: [ :configuration | configuration >>> project bleedingEdge load ] >>> >>> An alternative could be globalBinding, but that is more technical. >>> >>> #asGlobal sounds like a conversion, on the other hand it is an accepted >>> idiom. >>> >>>> optionally, we could also have one, with handling absent case: >>>> >>>> #SomeName asGlobalIfAbsent: [] >>>> >>>> same , but only if present: >>>> >>>> #SomeName asGlobalIfPresent: [:global | ] >>>> >>>> >>>> Currently, there is 941 references to 'Smalltalk' global in my pharo >>>> image. >>>> If we introduce this convenience method, it will shrink this number >>>> considerably, >>>> not saying that code will be more elegant and concise compare: >>>> >>>> (Smalltalk globals at: #Foo) doSomething >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> #Foo asGlobal doSomething >>>> >>>> P.S. What really strikes me is why we don't have such method from very >>>> beginning, >>>> and instead refer to 'Smalltalk' all over the places. >>>> Some things are so deeply indoctrinated in our minds, that we don't >>>> even think that it can be different. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Igor Stasenko. >>>> >>> >>> >> >

May 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] How i can retrieve the global by its name?

by S Krish

Yes that's a much needed one. I used it yesterday, after creating my own crOut, I quickly looked into Pharo2.0 to find these crLog, logCr et als.. Beginner stuff like this does make it lot easier for everyone, not just beginners..! We could borrow from all other languages if any like this.. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:21 PM, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr>wrote: > + 1 > Let's propose a nice protocal and we use the rewrite tool for real! > This is also why I want > crLog > instead of Transcript show: > > Stef > > > Hi, all > > > > do not think that i am drunk or vent crazy, asking such silly > > question, which at best should be asked only by beginner :) > > > > I know the answer: > > > > Smalltalk at: #SomeName > > > > or > > > > Smalltalk globals at: #SomeName > > > > what stroke me, just now, that both answers is wrong! > > > > It should be: > > > > #SomeName asGlobal > > > > (or suggest more appropriate/precise method name for a symbol) > > > > optionally, we could also have one, with handling absent case: > > > > #SomeName asGlobalIfAbsent: [] > > > > same , but only if present: > > > > #SomeName asGlobalIfPresent: [:global | ] > > > > > > Currently, there is 941 references to 'Smalltalk' global in my pharo > image. > > If we introduce this convenience method, it will shrink this number > > considerably, > > not saying that code will be more elegant and concise compare: > > > > (Smalltalk globals at: #Foo) doSomething > > > > and > > > > #Foo asGlobal doSomething > > > > P.S. What really strikes me is why we don't have such method from very > > beginning, > > and instead refer to 'Smalltalk' all over the places. > > Some things are so deeply indoctrinated in our minds, that we don't > > even think that it can be different. > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko. > > > > >

May 2, 2013