April 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Monitor is DOWN: get.pharo.org (http://get.pharo.org)

by Serge Stinckwich

Yes behind a CDN could be really nice, especially in Vietnam where the connexion are not really good. No stress, I can do my course without having zeroconf script. Thank you Marcus for your work. Regards, On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Apr 17, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The server is still down apparently. > > No, what we use here is a URL forward that is provided by the DNS hosting company. > > This used to work, but the last week it started to fail very very often. > > We are in the process of moving the files on a server in away that we can have > > get.pharo.org > > as a normal DNS entry. > > Sadly this is (like always) taking *far* longer that we ever thought it would. > But it is nearly done. > > The good news is that we will then, after this works, even put it behind a CDN > so that access from Asia will be even faster. But one step at a time. > > > Marcus > > >> I would like to use the zeroconf script for a course in Ha Noi next week. >> >> Regards, >> >> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> On Apr 15, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>>> From: "Uptime Robot" <alert(a)uptimerobot.com> >>>>> Subject: Monitor is DOWN: get.pharo.org (http://get.pharo.org) >>>>> Date: 15. April 2013 16:00:23 MESZ >>>>> To: camillobruni(a)gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> The monitor get.pharo.org (http://get.pharo.org) is currently DOWN (Connection Timeout). >>>>> >>> >>> Yes, my watchdog said the sameâ¦ we need to get rid of the forward. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Serge Stinckwich >> UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) >> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >> http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ >> > > -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30044

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 17 Apr 2013, at 10:45, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > 30044 > ----- > > 10295 Zinc Update April 16th > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10295 > Thanks. Sven

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Monitor is DOWN: get.pharo.org (http://get.pharo.org)

by Marcus Denker

On Apr 17, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Apr 17, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The server is still down apparently. > > No, what we use here is a URL forward that is provided by the DNS hosting company. > > This used to work, but the last week it started to fail very very often. > It seems this is caused by a DDOS attack on the DNS and DNS URL forwarding servers of NameCheap: http://status.namecheap.com Marcus

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Monitor is DOWN: get.pharo.org (http://get.pharo.org)

by Marcus Denker

On Apr 17, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The server is still down apparently. No, what we use here is a URL forward that is provided by the DNS hosting company. This used to work, but the last week it started to fail very very often. We are in the process of moving the files on a server in away that we can have get.pharo.org as a normal DNS entry. Sadly this is (like always) taking *far* longer that we ever thought it would. But it is nearly done. The good news is that we will then, after this works, even put it behind a CDN so that access from Asia will be even faster. But one step at a time. Marcus > I would like to use the zeroconf script for a course in Ha Noi next week. > > Regards, > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Apr 15, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: "Uptime Robot" <alert(a)uptimerobot.com> >>>> Subject: Monitor is DOWN: get.pharo.org (http://get.pharo.org) >>>> Date: 15. April 2013 16:00:23 MESZ >>>> To: camillobruni(a)gmail.com >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> The monitor get.pharo.org (http://get.pharo.org) is currently DOWN (Connection Timeout). >>>> >> >> Yes, my watchdog said the sameâ¦ we need to get rid of the forward. >> >> > > > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ >

April 17, 2013

[Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30044

by Marcus Denker

30044 ----- 10295 Zinc Update April 16th https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10295

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Monitor is DOWN: get.pharo.org (http://get.pharo.org)

by Serge Stinckwich

The server is still down apparently. I would like to use the zeroconf script for a course in Ha Noi next week. Regards, On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Apr 15, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: "Uptime Robot" <alert(a)uptimerobot.com> >>> Subject: Monitor is DOWN: get.pharo.org (http://get.pharo.org) >>> Date: 15. April 2013 16:00:23 MESZ >>> To: camillobruni(a)gmail.com >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The monitor get.pharo.org (http://get.pharo.org) is currently DOWN (Connection Timeout). >>> > > Yes, my watchdog said the sameâ¦ we need to get rid of the forward. > > -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2.0 and Zinc - big thanks!

by Norbert Hartl

Am 17.04.2013 um 03:09 schrieb Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: > <ranting> > i wonder why people so obsessed with web? > it is ugly, and dead before born.. > </ranting> > Why ugly? The dead beforn born part remembers me of a programming language we all love. Why resurrect? :) Hmm, maybe because there is potential. Uhh, the same goes for the web. So, stay tuned! Norbert > On 17 April 2013 02:19, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >> Torsten Bergmann wrote: >>> >>> Thanks - Pharo 2.0 and Zinc makes it really easy >>> to work with, write AND test HTTP stuff: >>> >>> >> >> That sparks an idea, perhaps for a student project... >> That a general HTTP testing framework for use against non-Pharo systems >> could be just the thing to help the uptake of Pharo in "enterprises". The >> level of trust required for an internal testing tool is less than that >> required for an end-user system. This might be a good stepping stone for >> enterprises which may initially view Smalltalk a bit strange. >> Unless of course best practice is to use web testing tools from within real >> web browsers (I not familiar with what the options are). Perhaps a website >> stress test tool where the live exceptions can be inspected is something >> that other tools cannot do. >> >> cheers -ben >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Phobos on retina display

by Serge Stinckwich

I also tested it. Nice work ! On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I checked and it looks beautiful. > > Great work. > > Doru > > On Apr 16, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for working on this. >> >> I will check it until tomorrow. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> please can you check the latest Phobos demo bundle for Mac on a device with retina display and maybe send me some screenshots? >> >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Phobos/job/PhobosDemo-Mac/ >> >> Thanks, >> -- Pavel >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "One cannot do more than one can do." > > > > -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] do you know what is this?

by Marcus Denker

On Apr 17, 2013, at 9:27 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Regarding this, of the key points of Pharo is that most of the system is able to be looked at from a lot of angles in source code form. > > Removing that ability is not going to be nice. > > But what do you actually get from a graphics engine from 1978, even if you can read its code? Marcus

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] do you know what is this?

by phil＠highoctane.be

Regarding this, of the key points of Pharo is that most of the system is able to be looked at from a lot of angles in source code form. Removing that ability is not going to be nice. But this doesn't mean we can't go the other way around of course, allowing it to embrace new technical possibilities. But as extensions to a core that stays under full control. At the moment, I've been tinkering with the idea of integrating a 3D demo engine (DirectX based) with Pharo. The engine will get an API and being scripted from the Pharo side. The engine can currently do things like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRnogMokS_8 Phil Phil 2013/4/17 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > Hi, > > This is just the cairo library rendering in a quartz format. No native > quartz access yet, so... > > 1) yes... is 100% compatible with Cairo (because it is Cairo :) > 2) no GPU, no OpenGL, just optimized rendering (one of this days I will > write the novel "how we render world canvas nowadays"... it is a thriller > end-of-the-world story) > > we are thinking with Igor if a quartz native renderer has sense right now. > Of course, in the long term, it has completely sense, but atm, I have the > feeling that other more portable renderer (like an OpenGL renderer) is > better investment. > Anyway, we still have some other stuff to do before: > > - finish athens (including new text model) > - finish bridge > - test same with linux, windows > etc. > > On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:50 AM, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi > > 2013/4/17 Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch> > >> NICE work Esteban! >> >> Does the AthensQuartzSurface, support all Athens related code? (paths, >> paints,etc..) I will be more than happy to move away from the software >> rendering of the current cairo backend. >> > > Is Quartz work by GPU? is it use openGL? > > >> >> Fernando >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > not to say about efficiency. >> > >> > I've been doing some cpu cycle tests. >> > >> > Rendering a 1600@1200 gradient to world canvas (repeat each 50ms): >> ~90% cpu consumption >> > >> > Same test, but sending it direct to window canvas using bridge: ~40% >> cpu consumption >> > >> > so... we are in the good path :) >> > >> > Esteban >> > >> > On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On 16 April 2013 19:09, kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> And you guys then say that pharo is not macos first citizen >> >>> >> >>> ha >> >>> >> >>> ha >> >>> >> >>> and >> >>> >> >>> ha >> >>> >> >>> I am a macos user , I love my imac and macos, but my vote goes to >> cross >> >>> platform. >> >>> >> >>> Still another great library that is more than welcomed, definitely >> cant do >> >>> any harm ;) >> >>> >> >> >> >> By saying that we don't need Cairo on MacOS i meant following: >> >> >> >> Athens designed to support multiple backends. >> >> It is out of question, that better to use most suitable backend, >> >> available on current platform. >> >> >> >> But apart of it stays ObjC bridge. Which would allow us to speak with >> >> ObjC-runtime >> >> (and Mac VM using it) directly. >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Fwd-do-you-know-what-is-this-tp4681962p4681975.html >> >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Igor Stasenko. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >

April 17, 2013