April 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] Problems with Association page

by dimitris chloupis

I visited the association page ( http://association.pharo.org/web ) and found some dead links you may be interested into fixing I am talking about the automatic scrolling bar at the top. 1) The VM for Pharo in OSX and iOS by Esteban Lorenzano http://smallworks.com.ar/products/vm (dead) correct -> http://smallworks.com.ar/web/products?_s=qhm7QT0Pl8cvtxWo&_k=f0_WADzS-ZFY2L… 2) Roassal by Alexandre Bergel http://objectprofile.com/roassal-home.html (dead) Correct -> http://objectprofile.com/#/pages/products/roassal/overview.html etc There may be other dead links , I have not tried all of them but you get the picture.

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] How to browse a selected method in code viewer

by kilon

Thank you Marcus, good to know its not only me. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-browse-a-selected-method-in-code-viewer-tp4681… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [FWD] Options for Visualization

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Damir Majer <damir(a)majcon.de> wrote: > IÂ´m searching for Options to visualize diagrams, for example an > class-diagram. you may want to ask on the Moose-dev <moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch> mailing list as well. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] do you know what is this?

by kilon

Can NB also disassamble code called ? I know that gdb can do this, and since NB generates assembly code for the FFI calls I was wondering if it can disassemble them too. Assembly is definetly not as pretty as smalltalk but can be useful none the less to look at internals. Porting everything to smalltalk is not a realistic or a very useful scenario. Whos is going to port Cocoa to Morphic come on lets see some hands raising :D I see coding more as Aikido , use the force of your enemy ( in this case a big clumsy GUI API like Cocoa , yes I dont like Big GUI apis ) against him. An ObjC bridge and NB seem to fit that role fine to me. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Fwd-do-you-know-what-is-this-tp4681962p4682112.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] SmalltalkHub account and user email

by Damien Cassou

Hi Tommaso, On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tommaso Dal Sasso <tommaso.dal.sasso(a)usi.ch> wrote: > I am Tommaso Dal Sasso and I just started my PhD in Lugano with Michele Lanza. I will focus on the automatization and improvement of the bug reporting process. welcome. There are plenty of stuff to do in this area and your future results are already needed :-). Regarding your problem, you can submit an issue at http://code.google.com/p/smalltalk-hub/issues -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

April 17, 2013

[Pharo-project] [FWD] Options for Visualization

by Damir Majer

Hi, IÂ´m searching for Options to visualize diagrams, for example an class-diagram. Is there an graphViz-Implementation in Pharo or better other Options to display Diagrams? (here is the graphViz-Dot-Example: graph ethane { Car -- tire1 [type=s]; Car -- tire2 [type=s]; Car -- tire3 [type=s]; Car -- tire4 [type=s]; } Thanks for routing me in the right direction! Cheers, Damir ----- -- Damir Majer ... be agile: www.majcon.de -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/FWD-Options-for-Visualization-tp4682108.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] do you know what is this?

by Sean P. DeNigris

Igor Stasenko wrote > Well, you always have a choice to write everything from scratch :) These are not mutually exclusive. What we're doing now by harnessing external libraries is prototyping - we're on the first step of "make it work, make it right, make it fast" ( and maybe getting sone #3 for free ;) ). Of course ultimately, we would like turtles all the way down, but relying on the already-done work of others gives us leverage, allowing us to focus our limited resources on the key things that have /never been done before/ - our unique contribution to the future of computing. When time and resources allow, we are free to come back and write from Scratch in Smalltalk, especially since there is a nice abstraction layer in between. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Fwd-do-you-know-what-is-this-tp4681962p4682107.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [Sprint] Sprint Lille May 3rd

by Sean P. DeNigris

Marcus Denker-4 wrote > We are planning a sprint the 3rd of May: I want to join again via IRC/skype from NYC. It worked out well last time... ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Sprint-Sprint-Lille-May-3rd-tp4682097p4682106.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] do you know what is this?

by Igor Stasenko

On 17 April 2013 13:34, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > Of course we can still understand with an all in image style (leveraging > ObjCBridge and NB). > > But it will be hard to study how things are occuring internally when leaving > the image. e.g. using components from the OSX Frameworks for things like > text editors may be powerful but ultimately, this will make us into "users" > and not technology owners (mmmh, hard to explain what I want to convey). > Well, you always have a choice to write everything from scratch :) For instance, try implement own sockets library or file system (not FS as in Pharo, but FS which deals with disks - ext, ext2, FAT, NTFS etc ;). > Pharo is an interesting platform to *really* understand how things do work > at a low level. > > I agree with your view on doing most inside the image, plugins and stuff is > actually hard to understand and master (I've been cutting my teeth at this > for something like a year and still am a super n00b). > > One cool thing I'd like to have working is CUDA or OpenCL for example. That > would be easier to do if on the image side of course. > > Phil > > > 2013/4/17 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> >> Hi Phil, >> >> On Apr 17, 2013, at 9:26 AM, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> >> wrote: >> >> Regarding this, of the key points of Pharo is that most of the system is >> able to be looked at from a lot of angles in source code form. >> >> >> I do not understand this... why do you think that now you can do that and >> with an all-in-image approach you cannot? >> >> >> Removing that ability is not going to be nice. >> >> >> why do you think that this will remove it? >> >> Esteban >> >> >> But this doesn't mean we can't go the other way around of course, allowing >> it to embrace new technical possibilities. But as extensions to a core that >> stays under full control. >> >> At the moment, I've been tinkering with the idea of integrating a 3D demo >> engine (DirectX based) with Pharo. >> >> The engine will get an API and being scripted from the Pharo side. >> >> The engine can currently do things like: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRnogMokS_8 >> >> Phil >> >> Phil >> >> >> 2013/4/17 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> This is just the cairo library rendering in a quartz format. No native >>> quartz access yet, so... >>> >>> 1) yes... is 100% compatible with Cairo (because it is Cairo :) >>> 2) no GPU, no OpenGL, just optimized rendering (one of this days I will >>> write the novel "how we render world canvas nowadays"... it is a thriller >>> end-of-the-world story) >>> >>> we are thinking with Igor if a quartz native renderer has sense right >>> now. Of course, in the long term, it has completely sense, but atm, I have >>> the feeling that other more portable renderer (like an OpenGL renderer) is >>> better investment. >>> Anyway, we still have some other stuff to do before: >>> >>> - finish athens (including new text model) >>> - finish bridge >>> - test same with linux, windows >>> etc. >>> >>> On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:50 AM, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> 2013/4/17 Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch> >>>> >>>> NICE work Esteban! >>>> >>>> Does the AthensQuartzSurface, support all Athens related code? (paths, >>>> paints,etc..) I will be more than happy to move away from the software >>>> rendering of the current cairo backend. >>> >>> >>> Is Quartz work by GPU? is it use openGL? >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Fernando >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > not to say about efficiency. >>>> > >>>> > I've been doing some cpu cycle tests. >>>> > >>>> > Rendering a 1600@1200 gradient to world canvas (repeat each 50ms): >>>> > ~90% cpu consumption >>>> > >>>> > Same test, but sending it direct to window canvas using bridge: ~40% >>>> > cpu consumption >>>> > >>>> > so... we are in the good path :) >>>> > >>>> > Esteban >>>> > >>>> > On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> On 16 April 2013 19:09, kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>> And you guys then say that pharo is not macos first citizen >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ha >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ha >>>> >>> >>>> >>> and >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ha >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I am a macos user , I love my imac and macos, but my vote goes to >>>> >>> cross >>>> >>> platform. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Still another great library that is more than welcomed, definitely >>>> >>> cant do >>>> >>> any harm ;) >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> By saying that we don't need Cairo on MacOS i meant following: >>>> >> >>>> >> Athens designed to support multiple backends. >>>> >> It is out of question, that better to use most suitable backend, >>>> >> available on current platform. >>>> >> >>>> >> But apart of it stays ObjC bridge. Which would allow us to speak with >>>> >> ObjC-runtime >>>> >> (and Mac VM using it) directly. >>>> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> View this message in context: >>>> >>> http://forum.world.st/Fwd-do-you-know-what-is-this-tp4681962p4681975.html >>>> >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Best regards, >>>> >> Igor Stasenko. >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20599

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 17 Apr 2013, at 13:06, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > 20599 > ----- > > 10297 Integrate 2.0: 10295 Zinc Update April 16th > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10297 Hey Marcus, that is even cooler. I know it is a lot of manual manipulation work, so thanks again. If I can make this process easier, please let me know. I don't know what the policy is, but one solution could be to use ConfigurationOfZincHTTPComponents. Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

April 17, 2013