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Re: [Pharo-project] Call for ESUG 2013 presentations

by Max Leske

True. It's on the Seaside list thoughâ¦ On 24.04.2013, at 19:05, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > Hi Stef, > > I don't see that announcement on Squeak mailing list, nor others except > vwnc, on comp.lang.smalltalk should also go, also squeakland, etoys, ... > > Best regards > Janko > > Dne 24. 04. 2013 16:49, piÅ¡e stephane ducasse: >> with the corrected url >> >> with corrected uppercased C for conferences :) >> >> >> >> 21st International Smalltalk Joint Conference - Call for Contributions >> >> Annecy, France >> from 9 to 13 September 2013 >> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013/ >> >> This call includes: >> Developer Forum >> Smalltalk Technology Award >> International Workshop >> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013/InternationalWorkshop >> Student Volunteer >> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013/StudentVolunteers >> Camp Smalltalk 8 September 2013 >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For the past 21 years, the European Smalltalk User Group (ESUG) has >> organised the International Smalltalk Conference, a lively forum on >> cutting edge software technologies that attract people from both >> academia and industry for a whole week. The attendees are both >> engineers using Smalltalk in business and students and teachers >> using Smalltalk both for research and didactic purposes. >> >> As every year, this year's edition of the largest European Smalltalk >> event will include the regular Smalltalk developers conference with >> renowned invited speakers, a Smalltalk camp that proves fruitful for >> interactions and discussions. This year will be held the >> 9th edition of the Innovation Technology Awards where prizes will be >> awarded to authors of best pieces of Smalltalk-related projects >> and an international workshop on Smalltalk and dynamic languages >> (http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013/InternationalWorkshop) >> >> You can support the ESUG conference in many different ways: >> >> * Sponsor the conference. New sponsoring packages are described at >> http://www.esug.org/supportesug/becomeasponsor/ >> * Submit a talk, a software or a paper to one of the events. See below. >> * Attend the conference. We'd like to beat the previous record of >> attendance (170 people at Amsterdam 2008)! >> * Students can get free registration and hosting if they enrol >> into the the Student Volunteers program. See below. >> >> Developers Forum: International Smalltalk Developers Conference >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> We are looking for YOUR experience on using Smalltalk. You will have >> 30 min for presentations and 45 min for hand-ons tutorial. >> >> The list of topics for the normal talks and tutorials includes, but >> is not limited to the following: >> >> * XP practices, Development tools, Experience reports >> * Model driven development, Web development, Team management >> * Meta-Modeling, Security, New libraries & frameworks >> * Educational material, Embedded systems and robotics >> * SOA and Web services, Interaction with other programming languages >> >> Teaching Pearls >> --------------- >> New this year!!! >> We want two news types of sessions in addition to default talk and >> show us your projects sessions. >> >> - Show your business 10 min session (Get prepared!!) >> - Teaching pearls : we want some session on how to teach some design >> aspects. We want your tip and tricks to teach Smalltalk or OOP. >> >> We expect to have several 10 to 15 min sessions aggregated. >> >> Open Forum: starting with Smalltalk >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> New this year!! >> The event will be held at IAE Savoie Mont-Blanc - University of Savoie. >> This is an opportunity for students and local professionals to >> discover Smalltalk. >> A room will be freely accessible and we would like to propose some >> talks and workshop >> for Smalltalk beginners. >> >> The list of topics includes, but is not limited to the following: >> - Why Smalltalk ? >> - Panorama of Smalltalk solutions >> - Getting started with Smalltalk >> - Success stories >> >> >> >> >> How to submit? >> -------------- >> >> Submissions due on 15st June 2013 >> Notification of acceptance will be on done on the fly. >> More information at http://www.esug.org/conferences/2013 >> >> >> Pay attention: the places are limited so do not wait till the last >> minute to apply. Prospective presenters should submit a request to >> Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr <mailto:Stephane.Ducasse@inria.fr> AND USE >> THE following header [ESUG 2013 Developers]. >> >> Please follow the template below the email will be automatically >> processed! >> >> Subject: [ESUG 2013 Developers] + your name >> First Name: >> Last Name: >> Email where you can always be reached: >> Title: >> Type: Tutorial/Talk/Teaching Pearl/OpenForum >> Abstract: >> Bio: >> >> >> Any presentation not respecting this form will be discarded automatically >> >> >> >> International Workshop on Smalltalk Technologies >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013/InternationalWorkshop >> >> Smalltalk is considered as a design pearl and as a beacon in the >> realm of programming languages and programming environments. We are >> proud to invite submissions to the International Workshop on >> Smalltalk Technologies which is held as part of the ESUG 2013 joint >> event. The goals of the workshop is to create a forum around >> advances or experience in Smalltalk. We welcome contributions on all >> aspects, theoretical as well as practical, of Smalltalk related >> topics such as >> >> - aspect-oriented programming, meta-programming, >> - frameworks, interaction with other languages, >> - implementation, >> - new dialects or languages implemented in Smalltalk, tools, >> - meta-modeling, design patterns, experience reports >> >> Technology Award Competition >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The top 3 teams with the most innovative software will receive, >> respectively, 500 Euros, 300 Euros and 200 Euros during an awards >> ceremony at the conference. Developers of any Smalltalk-based >> software are welcome to compete. >> More information at http://www.esug.org/conferences/2013/ >> >> Student Volunteer Program >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> If you are a student wanting to attend ESUG, have you considered >> being a student volunteer? Student volunteers help keep the >> conference running smoothly; in return, they have free >> accommodations, while still having most of the time to enjoy the >> conference. >> More information at >> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013 >> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013/StudentVolunteers >> >> We hope to see you there and have fun together. >> > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si >

April 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Call for ESUG 2013 presentations

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Hi Stef, I don't see that announcement on Squeak mailing list, nor others except vwnc, on comp.lang.smalltalk should also go, also squeakland, etoys, ... Best regards Janko Dne 24. 04. 2013 16:49, piÅ¡e stephane ducasse: > with the corrected url > > with corrected uppercased C for conferences :) > > > > 21st International Smalltalk Joint Conference - Call for Contributions > > Annecy, France > from 9 to 13 September 2013 > http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013/ > > This call includes: > Developer Forum > Smalltalk Technology Award > International Workshop > http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013/InternationalWorkshop > Student Volunteer > http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013/StudentVolunteers > Camp Smalltalk 8 September 2013 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For the past 21 years, the European Smalltalk User Group (ESUG) has > organised the International Smalltalk Conference, a lively forum on > cutting edge software technologies that attract people from both > academia and industry for a whole week. The attendees are both > engineers using Smalltalk in business and students and teachers > using Smalltalk both for research and didactic purposes. > > As every year, this year's edition of the largest European Smalltalk > event will include the regular Smalltalk developers conference with > renowned invited speakers, a Smalltalk camp that proves fruitful for > interactions and discussions. This year will be held the > 9th edition of the Innovation Technology Awards where prizes will be > awarded to authors of best pieces of Smalltalk-related projects > and an international workshop on Smalltalk and dynamic languages > (http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013/InternationalWorkshop) > > You can support the ESUG conference in many different ways: > > * Sponsor the conference. New sponsoring packages are described at > http://www.esug.org/supportesug/becomeasponsor/ > * Submit a talk, a software or a paper to one of the events. See below. > * Attend the conference. We'd like to beat the previous record of > attendance (170 people at Amsterdam 2008)! > * Students can get free registration and hosting if they enrol > into the the Student Volunteers program. See below. > > Developers Forum: International Smalltalk Developers Conference > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > We are looking for YOUR experience on using Smalltalk. You will have > 30 min for presentations and 45 min for hand-ons tutorial. > > The list of topics for the normal talks and tutorials includes, but > is not limited to the following: > > * XP practices, Development tools, Experience reports > * Model driven development, Web development, Team management > * Meta-Modeling, Security, New libraries & frameworks > * Educational material, Embedded systems and robotics > * SOA and Web services, Interaction with other programming languages > > Teaching Pearls > --------------- > New this year!!! > We want two news types of sessions in addition to default talk and > show us your projects sessions. > > - Show your business 10 min session (Get prepared!!) > - Teaching pearls : we want some session on how to teach some design > aspects. We want your tip and tricks to teach Smalltalk or OOP. > > We expect to have several 10 to 15 min sessions aggregated. > > Open Forum: starting with Smalltalk > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New this year!! > The event will be held at IAE Savoie Mont-Blanc - University of Savoie. > This is an opportunity for students and local professionals to > discover Smalltalk. > A room will be freely accessible and we would like to propose some > talks and workshop > for Smalltalk beginners. > > The list of topics includes, but is not limited to the following: > - Why Smalltalk ? > - Panorama of Smalltalk solutions > - Getting started with Smalltalk > - Success stories > > > > > How to submit? > -------------- > > Submissions due on 15st June 2013 > Notification of acceptance will be on done on the fly. > More information at http://www.esug.org/conferences/2013 > > > Pay attention: the places are limited so do not wait till the last > minute to apply. Prospective presenters should submit a request to > Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr <mailto:Stephane.Ducasse@inria.fr> AND USE > THE following header [ESUG 2013 Developers]. > > Please follow the template below the email will be automatically > processed! > > Subject: [ESUG 2013 Developers] + your name > First Name: > Last Name: > Email where you can always be reached: > Title: > Type: Tutorial/Talk/Teaching Pearl/OpenForum > Abstract: > Bio: > > > Any presentation not respecting this form will be discarded automatically > > > > International Workshop on Smalltalk Technologies > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013/InternationalWorkshop > > Smalltalk is considered as a design pearl and as a beacon in the > realm of programming languages and programming environments. We are > proud to invite submissions to the International Workshop on > Smalltalk Technologies which is held as part of the ESUG 2013 joint > event. The goals of the workshop is to create a forum around > advances or experience in Smalltalk. We welcome contributions on all > aspects, theoretical as well as practical, of Smalltalk related > topics such as > > - aspect-oriented programming, meta-programming, > - frameworks, interaction with other languages, > - implementation, > - new dialects or languages implemented in Smalltalk, tools, > - meta-modeling, design patterns, experience reports > > Technology Award Competition > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The top 3 teams with the most innovative software will receive, > respectively, 500 Euros, 300 Euros and 200 Euros during an awards > ceremony at the conference. Developers of any Smalltalk-based > software are welcome to compete. > More information at http://www.esug.org/conferences/2013/ > > Student Volunteer Program > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > If you are a student wanting to attend ESUG, have you considered > being a student volunteer? Student volunteers help keep the > conference running smoothly; in return, they have free > accommodations, while still having most of the time to enjoy the > conference. > More information at > http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013 > http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2013/StudentVolunteers > > We hope to see you there and have fun together. > -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

April 24, 2013

[Pharo-project] Fwd: Rubric questions :)

by plantec

Begin forwarded message: > From: pharo-project-owner(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: Rubric questions :) > Date: 24 avril 2013 18:15:18 UTC+02:00 > To: alain.plantec(a)univ-brest.fr > > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > pharo-project-owner(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr. > > > From: Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)univ-brest.fr> > Subject: Re: Rubric questions :) > Date: 24 avril 2013 18:14:57 UTC+02:00 > To: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > Cc: Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)univ-brest.fr>, "Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Development" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > > > > On 24 avr. 2013, at 17:25, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Hi alain >> >> better talk not privately :) > > Hello all! > >> >> Why >> RubParagraphDecorator defines >> >> findRegex >> ^ next findRegex >> >> I'm trying to understand the interface of the decorator since all the decorator should have the same to be interchangeable. > > There is no need for this one in RubParagraphDecorator. > >> >> >> >> >> On >> self blueTextOnGrayBacgroundNotWrapped >> >> when I get the menu and change the font nothng changes. > > the change is applied to the selection, not the whole text. > but this has to be fixed > >> >> >> I get a DNU when I execute >> >> self withOnlyThePrimarySelection >> >> When I type the name of a class in RubMethodEditingExample open >> I get DNUs. > > normally it should be fixed now, I've just uploaded a new commit > thanks > Alain > > >> >> more to come > > > >

April 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] configuration speed

by Igor Stasenko

On 24 April 2013 17:43, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Apr 24, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 24 April 2013 16:50, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I checked the issue under 3.0 with the configuration loading speed. >>> >>> >>> Main Performance Issues: >>> ------------------------ >>> Gofer: >>> package-cache always used by Gofer => big shared package-cache is very slow >>> RPackageSet: >>> each method/class change trigger the creation of a new RPackageSet >>> for EACH Monticello working copy >>> >>> What was reported is, that disabling the announcements during configuration loading >>> decreases load time. This is due to the RPackageSet problem. No announcements, no new >>> RPackageSets. >>> >>> For a typical configuration loading CommandShell and Soup + 5 packages I got 518'124 >>> new instances of RPackageSet!! >>> >>> Solutions >>> --------- >>> Gofer: >>> removing the package-cache from the default repositories seems like a good thing >>> to me. There are 3 tests failing after that, mostly checking if there is a default >>> repository or not. >>> I would add an explicit statement for the package-cache otherwise. >>> >>> RPackageSet: >>> With a basic cache for RPackageSets I cut the load time to a third! >>> It will need some more love when it comes to changing classes, but for now >>> I invalidate it each time an RPackage changes. >>> >> I got one more: >> - fix model of RPackage to contain same objects as MC package. >> As a consequence RPackageSets goes to > dev/null > > yeah, you can do it when you want :) > > Nah, talking serious: that would be probably best choice, but it is an incredible amount of work, that's why we rolled back that last year. It is not that we didn't think on it, or that we didn't try it. it was just not doable in the amount of time we had... for more clarity, remember the "limbo" time last year during esug... we were trying to do it as you say now. > Not that we should not doit eventually, but as I said... there are tons of things to adapt in the system... I much would prefer to doit in smaller steps if possible (but I'm not sure that it is possible at all neither, maybe we should sit and do it...). > I know and i agree. I just don't feel good that we need patches over patches to make things rolling. Because this is exactly what we were trying to get rid of, when we started with these changes, isn't? I just want to make it clear to people, in what state we are: - RPackage is still on the move but not: - RPackage is done, just need to put few patches (optimizations) here and there. (but yeah, since i don't have a time to work on that, i shut up ;) > Esteban > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 24, 2013

[Pharo-project] [OT] Nice simulation

by Peter Hugosson-Miller

Sorry for the off-topic, but the lighthouse in the beginning of* this video<http://youtu.be/F5KuP6qEuew> * was just too nice not to share :-) -- Cheers,

April 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] configuration speed

by Esteban Lorenzano

On Apr 24, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 24 April 2013 16:50, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I checked the issue under 3.0 with the configuration loading speed. >> >> >> Main Performance Issues: >> ------------------------ >> Gofer: >> package-cache always used by Gofer => big shared package-cache is very slow >> RPackageSet: >> each method/class change trigger the creation of a new RPackageSet >> for EACH Monticello working copy >> >> What was reported is, that disabling the announcements during configuration loading >> decreases load time. This is due to the RPackageSet problem. No announcements, no new >> RPackageSets. >> >> For a typical configuration loading CommandShell and Soup + 5 packages I got 518'124 >> new instances of RPackageSet!! >> >> Solutions >> --------- >> Gofer: >> removing the package-cache from the default repositories seems like a good thing >> to me. There are 3 tests failing after that, mostly checking if there is a default >> repository or not. >> I would add an explicit statement for the package-cache otherwise. >> >> RPackageSet: >> With a basic cache for RPackageSets I cut the load time to a third! >> It will need some more love when it comes to changing classes, but for now >> I invalidate it each time an RPackage changes. >> > I got one more: > - fix model of RPackage to contain same objects as MC package. > As a consequence RPackageSets goes to > dev/null yeah, you can do it when you want :) Nah, talking serious: that would be probably best choice, but it is an incredible amount of work, that's why we rolled back that last year. It is not that we didn't think on it, or that we didn't try it. it was just not doable in the amount of time we had... for more clarity, remember the "limbo" time last year during esug... we were trying to do it as you say now. Not that we should not doit eventually, but as I said... there are tons of things to adapt in the system... I much would prefer to doit in smaller steps if possible (but I'm not sure that it is possible at all neither, maybe we should sit and do it...). Esteban > >> >> issue: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10393 > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

April 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Rubric questions :)

by stephane ducasse

I will retry in 30 because I see that you announce symbol :) On Apr 24, 2013, at 5:25 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi alain > > better talk not privately :) > > > MCHttpRepository > location: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/AlainPlantec/Rubric/main' > user: '' > password: ''. > > > > Why > RubParagraphDecorator defines > > findRegex > ^ next findRegex > > I'm trying to understand the interface of the decorator since all the decorator should have the same to be interchangeable. > > > > > On > self blueTextOnGrayBacgroundNotWrapped > > when I get the menu and change the font nothng changes. > > > I get a DNU when I execute > > self withOnlyThePrimarySelection > > When I type the name of a class in RubMethodEditingExample open > I get DNUs. > > more to come

April 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Rubric questions :)

by Igor Stasenko

url is: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~AlainPlantec/Rubric And it is: A tentative to rewrite a new text editor for Pharo On 24 April 2013 17:25, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi alain > > better talk not privately :) > > > MCHttpRepository > location: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/AlainPlantec/Rubric/main' > user: '' > password: ''. > > > > Why > RubParagraphDecorator defines > findRegex > ^ next findRegex > > I'm trying to understand the interface of the decorator since all the > decorator should have the same to be interchangeable. > > > > On > self blueTextOnGrayBacgroundNotWrapped > when I get the menu and change the font nothng changes. > > > I get a DNU when I execute > > self withOnlyThePrimarySelection > > When I type the name of a class in RubMethodEditingExample open > I get DNUs. > > more to come -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Smart Suggestion Version 1

by Stephan Eggermont

Norbert wrote: >First grey out things and the expert can switch them off to make disabled entries invisible. That's not what experts do, btw. Expert menu behavior is based on muscle memory. Things always being in the same place is crucial. As well as predictable delays for submenus, consistent width & height of the menus. Options are evil from a usability pov I took a detailed look: Nautilus menu items are not as tall as the other menus? That makes them difficult to use, muscle memory fails here. "Add Matching Packages as Groups and Browse" is definitely too long. Any suggestions for a shorter text? A 2-dimensional menu (circle menu) would work better here, where the number of elements is so high. Currently, the mouse travel distance is too large Camillo wrote: >In the end, for most pro users, and by that I rely on my experience with very complex 3D software, >menus are mostly there to learn the shortcuts. That means they do not have to be super navigable >(e.g. one big list) but logically structured (e.g. submenus). That could be a reversal of cause and effect. I've seen too many complex old systems where the old dos menu structure was simply moved to a context menu. That does not work at all. Stephan

April 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] configuration speed

by Igor Stasenko

On 24 April 2013 16:50, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I checked the issue under 3.0 with the configuration loading speed. > > > Main Performance Issues: > ------------------------ > Gofer: > package-cache always used by Gofer => big shared package-cache is very slow > RPackageSet: > each method/class change trigger the creation of a new RPackageSet > for EACH Monticello working copy > > What was reported is, that disabling the announcements during configuration loading > decreases load time. This is due to the RPackageSet problem. No announcements, no new > RPackageSets. > > For a typical configuration loading CommandShell and Soup + 5 packages I got 518'124 > new instances of RPackageSet!! > > Solutions > --------- > Gofer: > removing the package-cache from the default repositories seems like a good thing > to me. There are 3 tests failing after that, mostly checking if there is a default > repository or not. > I would add an explicit statement for the package-cache otherwise. > > RPackageSet: > With a basic cache for RPackageSets I cut the load time to a third! > It will need some more love when it comes to changing classes, but for now > I invalidate it each time an RPackage changes. > I got one more: - fix model of RPackage to contain same objects as MC package. As a consequence RPackageSets goes to > dev/null > > issue: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10393 -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 24, 2013