April 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Conference Videos

by dimitris chloupis

"Well, we're taping, so they should appear online somewhere :)" Ah thats great news indeed, thank you, cant wait to watch them :)

April 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharon Conference Videos

by Max Leske

Well, we're taping, so they should appear online somewhere :) On 02.04.2013, at 12:08, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Is there any plan to upload videos of the pharo conference ? would love to watch them.

April 2, 2013

[Pharo-project] Pharon Conference Videos

by dimitris chloupis

Is there any plan to upload videos of the pharo conference ? would love to watch them.

April 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [3.0] CI build is broken

by Camillo Bruni

Yes I just haven't fully announced it yet ;) since I only programmed them this saturday and was waiting for the pharo conf ;) But I will deprecate it with a warning message in it tomorrow or so. And then people should rename their scripts. On 2013-04-02, at 11:58, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > Well, I would say a > > mv vm-ui.sh pharo-ui > > would do a good job to get out of deprecation. Honestly if the scripts are deprecated just take them out of the download. I don't know why to leave them there because it is confusing. > > Norbert > > Am 02.04.2013 um 11:24 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > >> Hi Norbert, >> >> the vm-ui.sh script is deprecated (yep, Camillo already deprecated something, even if it is brand new). >> >> now the valid scripts are >> >> "pharo" and "pharo-ui" >> >> :) >> >> Esteban >> >> On Apr 2, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >>> Another attempt. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> >>> <vm-ui.sh> >>> Am 02.04.2013 um 10:43 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>> >>>> Ah, rats, didn't think it through. It only works for commandline switches that do not have an argument itself. Sad and sorry! >>>> >>>> Norbert >>>> >>>> Am 02.04.2013 um 10:38 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>>> >>>>> Very good Cami. I have two remarks. If it should be short I think that >>>>> >>>>> curl -sL get.pharo.org | bash >>>>> >>>>> is shorter than >>>>> >>>>> wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org | bash >>>>> >>>>> If I see it correct the script is used for CI but as there is a get.pharo.org host I assume it is supposed to be an easy entry point for all kind of users, right? >>>>> >>>>> If this is true I find it somewhat strange to have a download-all-in-one-and-cozy-script that downloads everything needed but to start it I have still to provide the image myself to the shell scripts. So I added this to the script >>>>> >>>>> # parse vm options and image >>>>> for arg in "$@" >>>>> do >>>>> if [[ $arg == -* ]]; >>>>> then >>>>> VMOPTIONS="$VMOPTIONS $arg" >>>>> shift >>>>> else >>>>> break >>>>> fi >>>>> done >>>>> IMAGE=$1 >>>>> shift >>>>> # if no image has been provided use the installed one >>>>> if [ -z "$IMAGE" ]; >>>>> then >>>>> IMAGE=$DIR/Pharo.image >>>>> fi >>>>> >>>>> which uses the downloaded image in case nothing has been specified on the commandline. >>>>> >>>>> Hope you like it. Usually I would extract the same portion of both scripts to an extra file but then there is the trade-off to have one more file in the download. I'll attach a version of vm-ui.sh for you to try. If you need help I'm happy to chime in for this. >>>>> >>>>> thanks for the effort, >>>>> >>>>> Norbert >>>>> >>>>> <vm-ui.sh> >>>>> >>>>> Am 02.04.2013 um 09:15 schrieb Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> we're back up, shinier than ever ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> check http://get.pharo.org ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> now you can use: >>>>>> wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org | bash >>>>>> for the current stable release of Pharo and the PharoVM. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2013-04-01, at 22:52, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>>>>>> No stress. In the worst case you can fix it tomorrow during the tutorial :). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Doru >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 10:26 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2013-04-01, at 22:09, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tudor Girba-2 wrote >>>>>>>>>> Could it have something to do with the latest optimizations of Camillo? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Probably... Cami breaks everything :-P >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dammit, I wanted to silently add the new zeroconf scripts >>>>>>>> obviously something went horribly wrong there, sorry guys.. working on it! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > >

April 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [3.0] CI build is broken

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-04-02, at 11:24, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Norbert, > > the vm-ui.sh script is deprecated (yep, Camillo already deprecated something, even if it is brand new). > > now the valid scripts are > > "pharo" and "pharo-ui" with the same contents ;) > Esteban > > On Apr 2, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> Another attempt. >> >> Norbert >> >> >> <vm-ui.sh> >> Am 02.04.2013 um 10:43 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> >>> Ah, rats, didn't think it through. It only works for commandline switches that do not have an argument itself. Sad and sorry! >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> Am 02.04.2013 um 10:38 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>> >>>> Very good Cami. I have two remarks. If it should be short I think that >>>> >>>> curl -sL get.pharo.org | bash >>>> >>>> is shorter than >>>> >>>> wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org | bash >>>> >>>> If I see it correct the script is used for CI but as there is a get.pharo.org host I assume it is supposed to be an easy entry point for all kind of users, right? >>>> >>>> If this is true I find it somewhat strange to have a download-all-in-one-and-cozy-script that downloads everything needed but to start it I have still to provide the image myself to the shell scripts. So I added this to the script >>>> >>>> # parse vm options and image >>>> for arg in "$@" >>>> do >>>> if [[ $arg == -* ]]; >>>> then >>>> VMOPTIONS="$VMOPTIONS $arg" >>>> shift >>>> else >>>> break >>>> fi >>>> done >>>> IMAGE=$1 >>>> shift >>>> # if no image has been provided use the installed one >>>> if [ -z "$IMAGE" ]; >>>> then >>>> IMAGE=$DIR/Pharo.image >>>> fi >>>> >>>> which uses the downloaded image in case nothing has been specified on the commandline. >>>> >>>> Hope you like it. Usually I would extract the same portion of both scripts to an extra file but then there is the trade-off to have one more file in the download. I'll attach a version of vm-ui.sh for you to try. If you need help I'm happy to chime in for this. >>>> >>>> thanks for the effort, >>>> >>>> Norbert >>>> >>>> <vm-ui.sh> >>>> >>>> Am 02.04.2013 um 09:15 schrieb Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> we're back up, shinier than ever ;) >>>>> >>>>> check http://get.pharo.org ;) >>>>> >>>>> now you can use: >>>>> wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org | bash >>>>> for the current stable release of Pharo and the PharoVM. >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-04-01, at 22:52, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>>>>> No stress. In the worst case you can fix it tomorrow during the tutorial :). >>>>>> >>>>>> Doru >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 10:26 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2013-04-01, at 22:09, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tudor Girba-2 wrote >>>>>>>>> Could it have something to do with the latest optimizations of Camillo? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Probably... Cami breaks everything :-P >>>>>>> >>>>>>> dammit, I wanted to silently add the new zeroconf scripts >>>>>>> obviously something went horribly wrong there, sorry guys.. working on it! >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > >

April 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [3.0] CI build is broken

by Norbert Hartl

Well, I would say a mv vm-ui.sh pharo-ui would do a good job to get out of deprecation. Honestly if the scripts are deprecated just take them out of the download. I don't know why to leave them there because it is confusing. Norbert Am 02.04.2013 um 11:24 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > Hi Norbert, > > the vm-ui.sh script is deprecated (yep, Camillo already deprecated something, even if it is brand new). > > now the valid scripts are > > "pharo" and "pharo-ui" > > :) > > Esteban > > On Apr 2, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> Another attempt. >> >> Norbert >> >> >> <vm-ui.sh> >> Am 02.04.2013 um 10:43 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> >>> Ah, rats, didn't think it through. It only works for commandline switches that do not have an argument itself. Sad and sorry! >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> Am 02.04.2013 um 10:38 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>> >>>> Very good Cami. I have two remarks. If it should be short I think that >>>> >>>> curl -sL get.pharo.org | bash >>>> >>>> is shorter than >>>> >>>> wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org | bash >>>> >>>> If I see it correct the script is used for CI but as there is a get.pharo.org host I assume it is supposed to be an easy entry point for all kind of users, right? >>>> >>>> If this is true I find it somewhat strange to have a download-all-in-one-and-cozy-script that downloads everything needed but to start it I have still to provide the image myself to the shell scripts. So I added this to the script >>>> >>>> # parse vm options and image >>>> for arg in "$@" >>>> do >>>> if [[ $arg == -* ]]; >>>> then >>>> VMOPTIONS="$VMOPTIONS $arg" >>>> shift >>>> else >>>> break >>>> fi >>>> done >>>> IMAGE=$1 >>>> shift >>>> # if no image has been provided use the installed one >>>> if [ -z "$IMAGE" ]; >>>> then >>>> IMAGE=$DIR/Pharo.image >>>> fi >>>> >>>> which uses the downloaded image in case nothing has been specified on the commandline. >>>> >>>> Hope you like it. Usually I would extract the same portion of both scripts to an extra file but then there is the trade-off to have one more file in the download. I'll attach a version of vm-ui.sh for you to try. If you need help I'm happy to chime in for this. >>>> >>>> thanks for the effort, >>>> >>>> Norbert >>>> >>>> <vm-ui.sh> >>>> >>>> Am 02.04.2013 um 09:15 schrieb Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> we're back up, shinier than ever ;) >>>>> >>>>> check http://get.pharo.org ;) >>>>> >>>>> now you can use: >>>>> wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org | bash >>>>> for the current stable release of Pharo and the PharoVM. >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-04-01, at 22:52, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>>>>> No stress. In the worst case you can fix it tomorrow during the tutorial :). >>>>>> >>>>>> Doru >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 10:26 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2013-04-01, at 22:09, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tudor Girba-2 wrote >>>>>>>>> Could it have something to do with the latest optimizations of Camillo? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Probably... Cami breaks everything :-P >>>>>>> >>>>>>> dammit, I wanted to silently add the new zeroconf scripts >>>>>>> obviously something went horribly wrong there, sorry guys.. working on it! >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > >

April 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [3.0] CI build is broken

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-04-02, at 10:38, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > Very good Cami. I have two remarks. If it should be short I think that > > curl -sL get.pharo.org | bash > > is shorter than > > wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org | bash yes definitely! though it seems that I cannot properly install curl under mingw :P otherwise it is definitely nicer ;) > If I see it correct the script is used for CI but as there is a get.pharo.org host I assume it is supposed to be an easy entry point for all kind of users, right? yes > If this is true I find it somewhat strange to have a download-all-in-one-and-cozy-script that downloads everything needed but to start it I have still to provide the image myself to the shell scripts. So I added this to the script humm the thing is, that I usually rename the image on jenkins. So for my common use-case it is somehow not needed. But I see that it would convey more to the all-in-one zeroconf idea ;) > # parse vm options and image > for arg in "$@" > do > if [[ $arg == -* ]]; > then > VMOPTIONS="$VMOPTIONS $arg" > shift > else > break > fi > done > IMAGE=$1 > shift > # if no image has been provided use the installed one > if [ -z "$IMAGE" ]; > then > IMAGE=$DIR/Pharo.image > fi > > which uses the downloaded image in case nothing has been specified on the commandline. > > Hope you like it. Usually I would extract the same portion of both scripts to an extra file but then there is the trade-off to have one more file in the download. I'll attach a version of vm-ui.sh for you to try. If you need help I'm happy to chime in for this. I am bit tired so might make mistakes ;). Currently I generate the scripts from the files present here: http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/ZeroConf There are nice smalltalk classes that generate all the scripts and hence duplication is not really an issue :). I like your idea, though I have to think about the side-effects a bit. Maybe later today ;), but I'll look into it > thanks for the effort, > > Norbert > > <vm-ui.sh> > > Am 02.04.2013 um 09:15 schrieb Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: > >> we're back up, shinier than ever ;) >> >> check http://get.pharo.org ;) >> >> now you can use: >> wget --quiet -O - get.pharo.org | bash >> for the current stable release of Pharo and the PharoVM. >> >> On 2013-04-01, at 22:52, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>> No stress. In the worst case you can fix it tomorrow during the tutorial :). >>> >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 10:26 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 2013-04-01, at 22:09, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tudor Girba-2 wrote >>>>>> Could it have something to do with the latest optimizations of Camillo? >>>>> >>>>> Probably... Cami breaks everything :-P >>>> >>>> dammit, I wanted to silently add the new zeroconf scripts >>>> obviously something went horribly wrong there, sorry guys.. working on it! >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" >>> >>> >> >> >

April 2, 2013

[Pharo-project] LinkedIn Groups

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi, I just got the following update from Philippe: This is cool. But we should create actual groups for both the Pharo Consortium and Pharo Association on LinkedIn. It should be like a badge that you're proud to wear. Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

April 2, 2013

[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20595

by Esteban Lorenzano

20595 ----- 10196 Change shortcuts default settings of 2.0 to the traditional ones UI: Misc | Milestone: Pharo2.0 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10196 10195 Replace ugly Keymappings API on:do: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10195 10194 Backport to 2.0: special objects array recreation crash https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10194 10185 Backport 2.0: 10173 ClassBuilder cannot safely modify a class why using it https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10185 10174 Backport 2.0 Issue 10162: multiple selection of methods in method pane ... https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10174 Diff information: http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/System-Support-EstebanLorenzano.801.diff http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/Nautilus-EstebanLorenzano.437.diff http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/Keymapping-Core-EstebanLorenzano.147.diff http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/Kernel-EstebanLorenzano.1341.diff

April 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [3.0] CI build is broken

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 02 Apr 2013, at 11:19, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > We are. Thx! > Doru > > > On Apr 2, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > >> >> On 02 Apr 2013, at 11:12, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> >>> You should see the demo live. It's so ... how should I put it ... sexy :) >> >> Yes, I wish I was there - hope you are recording ... >> >>> Doru >>> >>> On Apr 2, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>> >>>> On 02 Apr 2013, at 09:15, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> we're back up, shinier than ever ;) >>>>> >>>>> check http://get.pharo.org ;) >>>> >>>> Beautiful and simple, the mark of a true master. >>>> >>>> Cool HTML/bash hack ;-) >>>> >>>> Sven >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Don't give to get. Just give." >> >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Obvious things are difficult to teach." > > > >

April 2, 2013