April 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Re: Big thanks for the organization of the Pharo Conf and MooseDay

by Sabine KnÃ¶fel

Hi, I want to thank you, too. It was nice to get to kow some persons which I knew only from this mailing list. Also, I have a motivation boost now:-) If some recording is missing, I can upload mine. Greetings Sabine On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 2013-04-05, at 18:44, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > >> >> On 5 apr 2013, at 12:16, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> I would also want to thank the participants! The atmosphere was nice and the presentation was interesting. >>> >>> I for one learnt quite a bit. >>> >>> The sessions were recorded, and once Stephan Eggermont will convert them, they will be posted. >> >> And for some ideas on when that will be: I just got back from Diego with 72 GB of video files. >> This weekend I might find some time to proces them, but the whole week I'm at Accu2013 in Bristol. >> So what's not posted on monday, will take at least a week more. >> >> If anyone has other material (sheets, screencasts, other video) please let me know > > I have my recorded screencast from the zeroconf presentation. > You should get a link by email once everything is uploaded. > > Thanks for the effort! That's really nice. > >> I'll keep you posted. >> >> Stephan >> >> > >

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Generating the command line bash scripts

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-04-05, at 19:55, Andrei Vasile Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Camillo, > > I've made some small modifications so I can also generate ZeroConf for > Moose. I just check the diff, looks nice, good work! I wonder what I wanted with the whole #combiningScript stuff :P seems strange now. > Also generating the vm scripts does not work for me as it tries to delete > the 'vm' folder. yeah, maybe I should rename the folder to pharo-vm or so ;) to avoid clashes with the default names... > Cheers, > Andrei > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Andrei Vasile Chis < > chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Super. >> Thanks a lot. >> >> Andrei >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> It is all here: >>> >>> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/ZeroConf >>> >>> I think I didn't create a configuration yet, but there are no external >>> dependencies anyway. >>> After install the latest package you can generate all scripts like this: >>> >>> ./pharo Pharo.Image zeroconf >>> >>> and you will get a bunch of scripts next to your image. >>> >>> On 2013-04-04, at 12:46, Andrei Vasile Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Camillo, >>>> >>>> Do you use some code to generate the bash scripts for downloading the >>> image >>>> and the vm? If yes it is it available somewhere? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Andrei >>> >>> >>> >>

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Sean P. DeNigris

Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote > Moreover, usually when I see people using completion, it's highly a lost > of time. > the basic case is instead of fully typing 'asString', they type 'as', wait > 3 seconds, press arrow down 20 times, and finally accept. That's why I have enter-to-accept disabled and delay ~ 0. I just type until the completion is the first suggestion and then tab. Or, for commonly repeated things like MetaC configs, now that we have partial matches, I can type "Conf", <tab>, "ofM", <tab> instead of ConfigurationOfMySpecialProjectWithExtraDescriptiveName and save myself much time and aggravation :) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-10219-Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness-tp… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Igor Stasenko

On 5 April 2013 14:38, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I personally solve that by disabling auto popup :) > And it fits in what Doru said. > > I have to hit ctrl space to pops up completion, and here, I know that I am > in completion mode, so pressing enter is not breaking my workflow. > > Moreover, usually when I see people using completion, it's highly a lost of > time. > the basic case is instead of fully typing 'asString', they type 'as', wait 3 > seconds, press arrow down 20 times, and finally accept. > This is for me so strange :) > Haha.. exactly. Now imagine that you were used it for a while and was quite effective with it and get used to it. And then, suddenly it stopped working, and when it came back, and you so happy that you can use it now, you found that now it inserting bullshit every time you trying to do something. Yes, in that case best option would be to disable it completely and do not annoy "highly adaptive" guys with your inability to adapt.... to bullshit > Maybe it's because I have been through a couple of Pharo version with auto > completion disabled because it was a pain :D > > Ben > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30022

by Sean P. DeNigris

Camillo Bruni-3 wrote > I just sampled the UI process Cool trick!! ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/update-3-0-30022-tp4679777p4679839.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Generating the command line bash scripts

by Andrei Vasile Chis

Hi Camillo, I've made some small modifications so I can also generate ZeroConf for Moose. Also generating the vm scripts does not work for me as it tries to delete the 'vm' folder. Cheers, Andrei On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Andrei Vasile Chis < chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Super. > Thanks a lot. > > Andrei > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> It is all here: >> >> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/ZeroConf >> >> I think I didn't create a configuration yet, but there are no external >> dependencies anyway. >> After install the latest package you can generate all scripts like this: >> >> ./pharo Pharo.Image zeroconf >> >> and you will get a bunch of scripts next to your image. >> >> On 2013-04-04, at 12:46, Andrei Vasile Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Hi Camillo, >> > >> > Do you use some code to generate the bash scripts for downloading the >> image >> > and the vm? If yes it is it available somewhere? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Andrei >> >> >> >

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30022

by Andrei Vasile Chis

Just a few comments about this update. Right now the current debugger is unchanged. This update only added some classes to the image The new debugger is far from completed and until it's finished both will be in the image. You can only open the new debugger from the Pre-Debug window if you choose the last option 'SpecDebug'. Cheers, Andrei On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: > 30022 > ----- > > 10032 Integrate new debugger > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10032 > > Diff information: > > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/DebuggerModel-EstebanLorenza… > > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Spec-Debugger-EstebanLorenza… > > >

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30022

by Camillo Bruni

I opened a debugger, then I just sampled the UI process (WorldMenu >> System >> Start profiling UI) then I right clicked a couple of times and moved the cursor out of the screen on top to stop the profiling. After that you have a pretty nice list :) On 2013-04-05, at 18:51, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > Where should I look to see that? Curious me :-) > > > 2013/4/5 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> > >> indeed strange... >> To me it looks like the pragma collector spends a lot of time fetching >> stuff. >> And I would even say it happens twice per menu popup? >> >> On 2013-04-05, at 17:53, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: >> >>> One question: why is the debugged menu (right click thing) taking so long >>> to show up where the world menu pops almost immediately? >>> >>> I wonder. >>> >>> >>> 2013/4/5 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> On 2013-04-05, at 17:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 05 Apr 2013, at 17:18, Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sounds great. No idea how to notice the difference, but I tried the >>>> "Fuel out stack" option and it works. >>>>> >>>>> Indeed, sounds very promising but what does it mean ? >>>>> There does not seem to be any description in the issue tracker either, >>>> or maybe I missed it. >>>> >>>> >>>> AFAIK that's a "very" old feature no? >>>> => open debugger => right click => last entry/second last entry => Fuel >>>> out stack >>>> >>>> It will just serialize the whole stack and put it in a file next to the >>>> image. >>>> >> >> >>

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Re: Big thanks for the organization of the Pharo Conf and MooseDay

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-04-05, at 18:44, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > On 5 apr 2013, at 12:16, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> I would also want to thank the participants! The atmosphere was nice and the presentation was interesting. >> >> I for one learnt quite a bit. >> >> The sessions were recorded, and once Stephan Eggermont will convert them, they will be posted. > > And for some ideas on when that will be: I just got back from Diego with 72 GB of video files. > This weekend I might find some time to proces them, but the whole week I'm at Accu2013 in Bristol. > So what's not posted on monday, will take at least a week more. > > If anyone has other material (sheets, screencasts, other video) please let me know I have my recorded screencast from the zeroconf presentation. You should get a link by email once everything is uploaded. Thanks for the effort! That's really nice. > I'll keep you posted. > > Stephan > >

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30022

by phil＠highoctane.be

Where should I look to see that? Curious me :-) 2013/4/5 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> > indeed strange... > To me it looks like the pragma collector spends a lot of time fetching > stuff. > And I would even say it happens twice per menu popup? > > On 2013-04-05, at 17:53, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > > > One question: why is the debugged menu (right click thing) taking so long > > to show up where the world menu pops almost immediately? > > > > I wonder. > > > > > > 2013/4/5 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> > > > >> > >> On 2013-04-05, at 17:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On 05 Apr 2013, at 17:18, Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Sounds great. No idea how to notice the difference, but I tried the > >> "Fuel out stack" option and it works. > >>> > >>> Indeed, sounds very promising but what does it mean ? > >>> There does not seem to be any description in the issue tracker either, > >> or maybe I missed it. > >> > >> > >> AFAIK that's a "very" old feature no? > >> => open debugger => right click => last entry/second last entry => Fuel > >> out stack > >> > >> It will just serialize the whole stack and put it in a file next to the > >> image. > >> > > >

April 5, 2013