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Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by phil＠highoctane.be

Guys, should you take your fight private in the office and get us a blog post or something? 2013/4/5 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 5 April 2013 14:38, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I personally solve that by disabling auto popup :) > >> And it fits in what Doru said. > >> > >> I have to hit ctrl space to pops up completion, and here, I know that I > am > >> in completion mode, so pressing enter is not breaking my workflow. > >> > >> Moreover, usually when I see people using completion, it's highly a > lost of > >> time. > >> the basic case is instead of fully typing 'asString', they type 'as', > wait 3 > >> seconds, press arrow down 20 times, and finally accept. > >> This is for me so strange :) > >> > > Haha.. exactly. > > Now imagine that you were used it for a while and was quite effective > with it > > and get used to it. And then, suddenly it stopped working, and when it > > came back, > > and you so happy that you can use it now, you found that now it > > inserting bullshit every time you trying to do something. > > Yes, in that case best option would be to disable it completely and do > not annoy > > "highly adaptive" guys with your inability to adapt.... to bullshit > > Did I say it was perfect ? > > On the other hand, did you review it when Esteban and I proposed a fix > after having spending days fixing it ? > > Ben > > > >> Maybe it's because I have been through a couple of Pharo version with > auto > >> completion disabled because it was a pain :D > >> > >> Ben > >> > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko. > > > > >

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Benjamin

On Apr 5, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 5 April 2013 21:29, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 5 April 2013 14:38, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I personally solve that by disabling auto popup :) >>>> And it fits in what Doru said. >>>> >>>> I have to hit ctrl space to pops up completion, and here, I know that I am >>>> in completion mode, so pressing enter is not breaking my workflow. >>>> >>>> Moreover, usually when I see people using completion, it's highly a lost of >>>> time. >>>> the basic case is instead of fully typing 'asString', they type 'as', wait 3 >>>> seconds, press arrow down 20 times, and finally accept. >>>> This is for me so strange :) >>>> >>> Haha.. exactly. >>> Now imagine that you were used it for a while and was quite effective with it >>> and get used to it. And then, suddenly it stopped working, and when it >>> came back, >>> and you so happy that you can use it now, you found that now it >>> inserting bullshit every time you trying to do something. >>> Yes, in that case best option would be to disable it completely and do not annoy >>> "highly adaptive" guys with your inability to adapt.... to bullshit >> >> Did I say it was perfect ? >> >> On the other hand, did you review it when Esteban and I proposed a fix after having spending days fixing it ? >> > > i don't remember, maybe i did, can you point to issue? https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?7329& (and I will not point how convenient is it now to have an issue tracker) Ben > Ben >> >> >>>> Maybe it's because I have been through a couple of Pharo version with auto >>>> completion disabled because it was a pain :D >>>> >>>> Ben >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Generating the command line bash scripts

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-04-05, at 21:41, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Great. > > This project is really nice: Its size is not large, but its impact is :). thanks :)

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Generating the command line bash scripts

by Tudor Girba

Great. This project is really nice: Its size is not large, but its impact is :). Cheers, Doru On Apr 5, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ah true, we can add that, makes things a bit more clear :) > I will also add a custom #help and #htmlHelp variable so I can add more > information for the entry script at http://get.pharo.org linking to all the > other possible scripts on the server. > > On 2013-04-05, at 21:08, Andrei Vasile Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Another small remark. >> The current scripts are nice, but in the future if other people would like >> to create more zeroconf scripts for other >> project it might be useful to have something like the following: >> AbstractZeroConfBashScript >> ZeroConfImageScript >> PharoZeroConfImageScript >> MooseZeroConfImageScript >> ... >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> On 2013-04-05, at 19:55, Andrei Vasile Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Camillo, >>>> >>>> I've made some small modifications so I can also generate ZeroConf for >>>> Moose. >>> >>> I just check the diff, looks nice, good work! >>> I wonder what I wanted with the whole #combiningScript stuff :P seems >>> strange now. >>> >>>> Also generating the vm scripts does not work for me as it tries to delete >>>> the 'vm' folder. >>> >>> yeah, maybe I should rename the folder to pharo-vm or so ;) to avoid >>> clashes with the >>> default names... >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Andrei >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Andrei Vasile Chis < >>>> chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Super. >>>>> Thanks a lot. >>>>> >>>>> Andrei >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It is all here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/ZeroConf >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I didn't create a configuration yet, but there are no external >>>>>> dependencies anyway. >>>>>> After install the latest package you can generate all scripts like >>> this: >>>>>> >>>>>> ./pharo Pharo.Image zeroconf >>>>>> >>>>>> and you will get a bunch of scripts next to your image. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2013-04-04, at 12:46, Andrei Vasile Chis < >>> chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Camillo, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you use some code to generate the bash scripts for downloading the >>>>>> image >>>>>>> and the vm? If yes it is it available somewhere? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Andrei >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Live like you mean it."

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Big thanks for the organization of the Pharo Conf and MooseDay

by Igor Stasenko

On 5 April 2013 11:59, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Thanks again to Doru and SCG > because the pharo conf was really nice and the moose day too. > > Stef > +1 this event forced me to make Athens tutorial. And i thank you for that. :) Hope you liked it. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Igor Stasenko

On 5 April 2013 21:29, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 5 April 2013 14:38, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I personally solve that by disabling auto popup :) >>> And it fits in what Doru said. >>> >>> I have to hit ctrl space to pops up completion, and here, I know that I am >>> in completion mode, so pressing enter is not breaking my workflow. >>> >>> Moreover, usually when I see people using completion, it's highly a lost of >>> time. >>> the basic case is instead of fully typing 'asString', they type 'as', wait 3 >>> seconds, press arrow down 20 times, and finally accept. >>> This is for me so strange :) >>> >> Haha.. exactly. >> Now imagine that you were used it for a while and was quite effective with it >> and get used to it. And then, suddenly it stopped working, and when it >> came back, >> and you so happy that you can use it now, you found that now it >> inserting bullshit every time you trying to do something. >> Yes, in that case best option would be to disable it completely and do not annoy >> "highly adaptive" guys with your inability to adapt.... to bullshit > > Did I say it was perfect ? > > On the other hand, did you review it when Esteban and I proposed a fix after having spending days fixing it ? > i don't remember, maybe i did, can you point to issue? > Ben > > >>> Maybe it's because I have been through a couple of Pharo version with auto >>> completion disabled because it was a pain :D >>> >>> Ben >>> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Benjamin

On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 5 April 2013 14:38, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I personally solve that by disabling auto popup :) >> And it fits in what Doru said. >> >> I have to hit ctrl space to pops up completion, and here, I know that I am >> in completion mode, so pressing enter is not breaking my workflow. >> >> Moreover, usually when I see people using completion, it's highly a lost of >> time. >> the basic case is instead of fully typing 'asString', they type 'as', wait 3 >> seconds, press arrow down 20 times, and finally accept. >> This is for me so strange :) >> > Haha.. exactly. > Now imagine that you were used it for a while and was quite effective with it > and get used to it. And then, suddenly it stopped working, and when it > came back, > and you so happy that you can use it now, you found that now it > inserting bullshit every time you trying to do something. > Yes, in that case best option would be to disable it completely and do not annoy > "highly adaptive" guys with your inability to adapt.... to bullshit Did I say it was perfect ? On the other hand, did you review it when Esteban and I proposed a fix after having spending days fixing it ? Ben >> Maybe it's because I have been through a couple of Pharo version with auto >> completion disabled because it was a pain :D >> >> Ben >> > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30022

by Igor Stasenko

On 5 April 2013 17:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > There does not seem to be any description in the issue tracker either, or maybe I missed it. > indeed, the record on issue tracker looks very informative. (in the attached). >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> 30022 >> ----- >> >> 10032 Integrate new debugger >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10032 >> >> Diff information: >> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/DebuggerModel-EstebanLorenza… >> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Spec-Debugger-EstebanLorenza… > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Generating the command line bash scripts

by Camillo Bruni

ah true, we can add that, makes things a bit more clear :) I will also add a custom #help and #htmlHelp variable so I can add more information for the entry script at http://get.pharo.org linking to all the other possible scripts on the server. On 2013-04-05, at 21:08, Andrei Vasile Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Another small remark. > The current scripts are nice, but in the future if other people would like > to create more zeroconf scripts for other > project it might be useful to have something like the following: > AbstractZeroConfBashScript > ZeroConfImageScript > PharoZeroConfImageScript > MooseZeroConfImageScript > ... > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> On 2013-04-05, at 19:55, Andrei Vasile Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Camillo, >>> >>> I've made some small modifications so I can also generate ZeroConf for >>> Moose. >> >> I just check the diff, looks nice, good work! >> I wonder what I wanted with the whole #combiningScript stuff :P seems >> strange now. >> >>> Also generating the vm scripts does not work for me as it tries to delete >>> the 'vm' folder. >> >> yeah, maybe I should rename the folder to pharo-vm or so ;) to avoid >> clashes with the >> default names... >> >>> Cheers, >>> Andrei >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Andrei Vasile Chis < >>> chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Super. >>>> Thanks a lot. >>>> >>>> Andrei >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is all here: >>>>> >>>>> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/ZeroConf >>>>> >>>>> I think I didn't create a configuration yet, but there are no external >>>>> dependencies anyway. >>>>> After install the latest package you can generate all scripts like >> this: >>>>> >>>>> ./pharo Pharo.Image zeroconf >>>>> >>>>> and you will get a bunch of scripts next to your image. >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-04-04, at 12:46, Andrei Vasile Chis < >> chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Camillo, >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you use some code to generate the bash scripts for downloading the >>>>> image >>>>>> and the vm? If yes it is it available somewhere? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Andrei >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >>

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Generating the command line bash scripts

by Andrei Vasile Chis

Another small remark. The current scripts are nice, but in the future if other people would like to create more zeroconf scripts for other project it might be useful to have something like the following: AbstractZeroConfBashScript ZeroConfImageScript PharoZeroConfImageScript MooseZeroConfImageScript ... On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > On 2013-04-05, at 19:55, Andrei Vasile Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Camillo, > > > > I've made some small modifications so I can also generate ZeroConf for > > Moose. > > I just check the diff, looks nice, good work! > I wonder what I wanted with the whole #combiningScript stuff :P seems > strange now. > > > Also generating the vm scripts does not work for me as it tries to delete > > the 'vm' folder. > > yeah, maybe I should rename the folder to pharo-vm or so ;) to avoid > clashes with the > default names... > > > Cheers, > > Andrei > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Andrei Vasile Chis < > > chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Super. > >> Thanks a lot. > >> > >> Andrei > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com > >wrote: > >> > >>> It is all here: > >>> > >>> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/ZeroConf > >>> > >>> I think I didn't create a configuration yet, but there are no external > >>> dependencies anyway. > >>> After install the latest package you can generate all scripts like > this: > >>> > >>> ./pharo Pharo.Image zeroconf > >>> > >>> and you will get a bunch of scripts next to your image. > >>> > >>> On 2013-04-04, at 12:46, Andrei Vasile Chis < > chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Camillo, > >>>> > >>>> Do you use some code to generate the bash scripts for downloading the > >>> image > >>>> and the vm? If yes it is it available somewhere? > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Andrei > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > >

April 5, 2013