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Re: [Pharo-project] GSoC: Good news !

by Andrei Vasile Chis

I agree it's best to remove it. Cheers, Andrei On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Yes, please. > > Doru > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si>wrote: > >> Hi Clara and Andrei, >> >> So we should remove the Inspecting expressions project from Ideas and >> Projects page? >> >> Best regards >> Janko >> >> -- >> Janko MivÅ¡ek >> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >> http://gsoc2013.esug.org >> >> >> Dne 10. 04. 2013 11:39, piÅ¡e Andrei Vasile Chis: >> > Hi Clara, >> > >> > >> > I'm interested to get in as a student to play with the debugger ^^ >> > >> > Nice >> > >> > I wrote the second proposal >> > (http://gsoc2013.esug.org/projects/inspecting-expressions) without >> > knowing there was already a proposal for improving the debugger >> > (http://gsoc2013.esug.org/projects/debugger-improvements) >> > The main one should be the second one. We can keep only that one, I do >> > not mind. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Andrei >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Clara Allende <clari.allende(a)gmail.com >> > <mailto:clari.allende@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Janko, there are two project ideas for debugger improvements... >> > shouldn't they be one (to rule them all :P)? I'm interested to get >> > in as a student to play with the debugger ^^ >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > >> > On 8 April 2013 16:56, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si >> > <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> wrote: >> > >> > Dne 08. 04. 2013 20:54, piÅ¡e Damien Cassou: >> > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Serge Stinckwich >> > > <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com >> > <mailto:serge.stinckwich@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> Our Organization Application for "ESUG (European Smalltalk >> User >> > >> Group)" in Google Summer of Code 2013 has been accepted ! >> > > >> > > >> > > that's great. Do you know how many slots we got? >> > >> > We will know that later, somewhere in the May in the middle of >> > voting >> > period. For now we really need to get a good pool of mentors >> and of >> > course students. Student proposal deadline is 3.May, so we have >> > a month >> > only for all that. >> > >> > Therefore start promoting Smalltalk GSoC around universities >> ASAP! >> > >> > Janko >> > >> > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Damien Cassou >> > > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> > > >> > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another >> without >> > > losing enthusiasm." >> > > Winston Churchill >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Janko MivÅ¡ek >> > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >> > http://gsoc2013.esug.org >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Janko MivÅ¡ek >> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >> http://gsoc2013.esug.org >> >> > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

April 10, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] GSoC: Good news !

by Tudor Girba

Yes, please. Doru On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si>wrote: > Hi Clara and Andrei, > > So we should remove the Inspecting expressions project from Ideas and > Projects page? > > Best regards > Janko > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > http://gsoc2013.esug.org > > > Dne 10. 04. 2013 11:39, piÅ¡e Andrei Vasile Chis: > > Hi Clara, > > > > > > I'm interested to get in as a student to play with the debugger ^^ > > > > Nice > > > > I wrote the second proposal > > (http://gsoc2013.esug.org/projects/inspecting-expressions) without > > knowing there was already a proposal for improving the debugger > > (http://gsoc2013.esug.org/projects/debugger-improvements) > > The main one should be the second one. We can keep only that one, I do > > not mind. > > > > Cheers, > > Andrei > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Clara Allende <clari.allende(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:clari.allende@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Janko, there are two project ideas for debugger improvements... > > shouldn't they be one (to rule them all :P)? I'm interested to get > > in as a student to play with the debugger ^^ > > > > Cheers > > > > > > On 8 April 2013 16:56, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si > > <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> wrote: > > > > Dne 08. 04. 2013 20:54, piÅ¡e Damien Cassou: > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Serge Stinckwich > > > <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:serge.stinckwich@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> Our Organization Application for "ESUG (European Smalltalk > User > > >> Group)" in Google Summer of Code 2013 has been accepted ! > > > > > > > > > that's great. Do you know how many slots we got? > > > > We will know that later, somewhere in the May in the middle of > > voting > > period. For now we really need to get a good pool of mentors and > of > > course students. Student proposal deadline is 3.May, so we have > > a month > > only for all that. > > > > Therefore start promoting Smalltalk GSoC around universities > ASAP! > > > > Janko > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Damien Cassou > > > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > > > > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another > without > > > losing enthusiasm." > > > Winston Churchill > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Janko MivÅ¡ek > > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > > http://gsoc2013.esug.org > > > > > > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > http://gsoc2013.esug.org > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

April 10, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Toothpick

by S Krish

"Another point is, should we not allow for arbitrary objects to be logged," The core framework should not be doing this, allow extension for anyone interested to do so at their risk and understanding. I will first attempt to get Toothpick to basic expectations, to then take up additional extensions. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 10 Apr 2013, at 10:58, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> > wrote: > > >> formatting especially in emitting the current timestamp and the > class>>method automatically > >> > >> I feel Toothpick can be extended to the above and with clear separation > of lean classes it can serve the enterprise class of apps well. > >> > >> While SimpleLog, seems equally good, but I have not used, seems to > offer one more error level and similar appenders capability. > >> > >> **************************** > >> One observation I have is for all logger libraries to adopt same api > for logging error viz: > >> > >> logger level: #warn message: 'This warning' . ( category is #default > and most often usable) > >> logger category:#perf level: #warn message: 'Below threshold of 100 > trans per second' . > >> > >> convenience messages thereafter also be the same api viz: > >> logger info: 'This info' . logger warn: 'This warning' . logger error: > 'this exception' et als.. > >> > >> It will make it easier to switch logging framework if so required in > future. > > > > good idea. > > Yes, I think we should first focus on the API for the code doing the > logging. It would be very cool to have one API and possibly different > logging destination, with different capabilities. > > I already mentioned the block trick with the optional error handling. > Another point is, should we not allow for arbitrary objects to be logged, > so that afterwards there is an option to inspect them (this might be > dangerous wrt destructive modifications and GC) - does Gemstone not have an > 'Object Log' ? > > Sven > > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > Proudly supporting Pharo > http://pharo.org > http://association.pharo.org > http://consortium.pharo.org > > > > > >

April 10, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] GSoC: Good news !

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Hi Clara and Andrei, So we should remove the Inspecting expressions project from Ideas and Projects page? Best regards Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team http://gsoc2013.esug.org Dne 10. 04. 2013 11:39, piÅ¡e Andrei Vasile Chis: > Hi Clara, > > > I'm interested to get in as a student to play with the debugger ^^ > > Nice > > I wrote the second proposal > (http://gsoc2013.esug.org/projects/inspecting-expressions) without > knowing there was already a proposal for improving the debugger > (http://gsoc2013.esug.org/projects/debugger-improvements) > The main one should be the second one. We can keep only that one, I do > not mind. > > Cheers, > Andrei > > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Clara Allende <clari.allende(a)gmail.com > <mailto:clari.allende@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Janko, there are two project ideas for debugger improvements... > shouldn't they be one (to rule them all :P)? I'm interested to get > in as a student to play with the debugger ^^ > > Cheers > > > On 8 April 2013 16:56, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si > <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> wrote: > > Dne 08. 04. 2013 20:54, piÅ¡e Damien Cassou: > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Serge Stinckwich > > <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com > <mailto:serge.stinckwich@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Our Organization Application for "ESUG (European Smalltalk User > >> Group)" in Google Summer of Code 2013 has been accepted ! > > > > > > that's great. Do you know how many slots we got? > > We will know that later, somewhere in the May in the middle of > voting > period. For now we really need to get a good pool of mentors and of > course students. Student proposal deadline is 3.May, so we have > a month > only for all that. > > Therefore start promoting Smalltalk GSoC around universities ASAP! > > Janko > > > > > > -- > > Damien Cassou > > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > > losing enthusiasm." > > Winston Churchill > > > > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > http://gsoc2013.esug.org > > > -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team http://gsoc2013.esug.org

April 10, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Good news !

by Andrei Vasile Chis

Hi Clara, > I'm interested to get in as a student to play with the debugger ^^ > Nice I wrote the second proposal ( http://gsoc2013.esug.org/projects/inspecting-expressions) without knowing there was already a proposal for improving the debugger ( http://gsoc2013.esug.org/projects/debugger-improvements) The main one should be the second one. We can keep only that one, I do not mind. Cheers, Andrei On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Clara Allende <clari.allende(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Janko, there are two project ideas for debugger improvements... shouldn't > they be one (to rule them all :P)? I'm interested to get in as a student to > play with the debugger ^^ > > Cheers > > > On 8 April 2013 16:56, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > >> Dne 08. 04. 2013 20:54, piÅ¡e Damien Cassou: >> > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Serge Stinckwich >> > <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Our Organization Application for "ESUG (European Smalltalk User >> >> Group)" in Google Summer of Code 2013 has been accepted ! >> > >> > >> > that's great. Do you know how many slots we got? >> >> We will know that later, somewhere in the May in the middle of voting >> period. For now we really need to get a good pool of mentors and of >> course students. Student proposal deadline is 3.May, so we have a month >> only for all that. >> >> Therefore start promoting Smalltalk GSoC around universities ASAP! >> >> Janko >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Damien Cassou >> > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> > >> > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >> > losing enthusiasm." >> > Winston Churchill >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Janko MivÅ¡ek >> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >> http://gsoc2013.esug.org >> >> >

April 10, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Syntax highlithing

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-04-10, at 10:28, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi guys > > I think that we should really change the following behavior. > If I have an instance variable abc > > when I type ab is should not be colored in red first then when I type c get black > > It should tell me that ab is correct and only get red when I type abx > > I got this behavior for the kid book. > > Does anybody have an idea how we can fix that? Well it mostly depends on the parser. But the behavior you describe is pretty common in other languages. To be precise, you actually have invalid code, but you are on the way to make it valid. For me a solution would be a timer/delay when the syntax coloring hits in. So while you are typing it stays black, but after some 200ms pause it will give you feedback (also when you press any of: ' ,;:[]|(){}").

April 10, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Consortium reaches 10 Member Companies

by Dennis Schetinin

Thanks -- Best regards, Dennis Schetinin 2013/4/10 Dennis Schetinin <chaetal(a)gmail.com> > Thanks > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > > Dennis Schetinin > > > 2013/4/10 Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> > >> >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Dennis Schetinin <chaetal(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Thanks... but another question then: how can I get access to Pharo at >>> fogbugz? I don't see any "register" links/buttons there. >>> >> >> http://bugs.pharo.org/ (top of the page) >> >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing >> enthusiasm." >> Winston Churchill >> > >

April 10, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Consortium reaches 10 Member Companies

by Dennis Schetinin

Thanks -- Best regards, Dennis Schetinin 2013/4/10 Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Dennis Schetinin <chaetal(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Thanks... but another question then: how can I get access to Pharo at >> fogbugz? I don't see any "register" links/buttons there. >> > > http://bugs.pharo.org/ (top of the page) > > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing > enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill >

April 10, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Toothpick

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 10 Apr 2013, at 10:58, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: >> formatting especially in emitting the current timestamp and the class>>method automatically >> >> I feel Toothpick can be extended to the above and with clear separation of lean classes it can serve the enterprise class of apps well. >> >> While SimpleLog, seems equally good, but I have not used, seems to offer one more error level and similar appenders capability. >> >> **************************** >> One observation I have is for all logger libraries to adopt same api for logging error viz: >> >> logger level: #warn message: 'This warning' . ( category is #default and most often usable) >> logger category:#perf level: #warn message: 'Below threshold of 100 trans per second' . >> >> convenience messages thereafter also be the same api viz: >> logger info: 'This info' . logger warn: 'This warning' . logger error: 'this exception' et als.. >> >> It will make it easier to switch logging framework if so required in future. > > good idea. Yes, I think we should first focus on the API for the code doing the logging. It would be very cool to have one API and possibly different logging destination, with different capabilities. I already mentioned the block trick with the optional error handling. Another point is, should we not allow for arbitrary objects to be logged, so that afterwards there is an option to inspect them (this might be dangerous wrt destructive modifications and GC) - does Gemstone not have an 'Object Log' ? Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe Proudly supporting Pharo http://pharo.org http://association.pharo.org http://consortium.pharo.org

April 10, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Toothpick

by S Krish

I will work on these and start some commits this weekend. I hate to read transcript for compiler warnings. I want a real object that > I can manipulate. > > logger as an instance of class Logger has manipulation capability. Anything else we need to add to it..?

April 10, 2013