March 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] looking for media to illustrate one important idea :)

by stephane ducasse

On Mar 26, 2013, at 7:52 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Speaking of the consortium, I think we could at least get the system listed on: > > http://www.orsys.fr > > I used to deliver a hell of a lot of trainings over there under this heading: > > http://www.orsys.fr/orsys.asp?mode=surdomaine&code=3 > > and that subheading: http://www.orsys.fr/orsys.asp?mode=surdomaine&code=3#OU > > I think we could add a "Formation Pharo Smalltalk" "Formation Conception Avancee " too How can we do that? > > with: > > Pharo Essentials > > * Learning to program with Pharo > * Pharo for the web > * Understanding the Pharo infrastructure > > Pharo Advanced > > * Seaside > * Seaside REST > * DCVS with Monticello > * Pharo FileSystem > * Pharo Sockets > * Crafting Morphic UIs with Spec > > Pharo Experts > > * Integrating Amber, Pharo, and MongoDB (e.g. Smalltalkhub style) > * Metacello > * VM > * Creating new languages in Pharo with PetitParser and friends > > If one can come up with a decent list of trainings taking inspiration > from the PHP list for example, we can for sure get an appointement > with the superior powers over there and get the courses listed in the > catalog. > > Whoever wants to deliver the trainings in french, please tell me, so > that we can arrange stuff. There is enough material in the PBE and > Deep into Pharo books to do what I listed above. I want > > Also, we can think of a one-day seminar on why Pharo matters for the > industry. (covering legal aspects, IP, etc). > > The fact that INRIA backs up Pharo and that Orsys is a thriving french > business in Paris would help in leveraging our value. > > Now, maybe could we get this on a Consortium list in order to enlist > partners who want to get in the boat. > > Is there a consortium members wiki? Not for now. What do you need it for? > > Rgds, > Philippe > > 2013/3/25 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>: >> 2013/3/25 stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr>: >>> I'm looking for labor and many tasks :) >> >> Something like a space launch control center would do it? >> >>>> Stephane: Does it need to be shown as a picture? It can be in words as >>>> long as it takes less than 1000 words... :) >>> >>> :) >>> >>> I'm trying to make people using pharo understanding that the consortium and the association >>> are a huge opportunity to make the future better. >> >> I look forward to know why :) >> >> Regards! >> >

March 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30013

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-03-26, at 08:24, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: > why do we unload deprecated20 now but it was deprecated in 2.0, so you keep it in 1 version => 2.0 and remove it in the next version => 3.0. and the earlier we remove them the better can we adapt 3.0. no? > because for me we should unload 1.4 in 30 and 20 in 40alpha. > Of course people can load it. > > > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:08 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> 10081 unload Deprecated20 in 3.0 >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10081 >

March 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] looking for media to illustrate one important idea :)

by stephane ducasse

>> I'm trying to make people using pharo understanding that the consortium and the association >> are a huge opportunity to make the future better. > > I look forward to know why :) Because without a legal structure how can you collect money? how can indivirduals or small companies can get an impact? We do not have a large company (like firefox or google for python and js) or research group like (VPR that put large amount of money into etoys): we have small SMEs and research groups and the ideas is that if many SMEs and research groups put money on the table we can move much faster and do not rely on smart engineers ***free time***. Remember it again - I do not know what is the vision/goals of the other smalltalk distributions, but the one of Pharo is simple: we want to give a chance to an open-source smalltalk to evolve and let people make a living with their software. Stef

March 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Suggestion about Phexample and StateSpecs(Mocketry) integration

by stephane ducasse

On Mar 26, 2013, at 7:46 AM, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If I want to figure out how the first one works, I can simply browse the > implementors of #should and/or #isKindOf: where is the StateSpec version I am > lost. I have to rely on "contains string literal" to get the sources, for me > that is very strange. +1

March 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Suggestion about Phexample and StateSpecs(Mocketry) integration

by stephane ducasse

On Mar 25, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am a big > fan of stupid english: > > `foo should isKindOf: Bar` vs. `foo should be an instance of: Bar` + 1

March 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [3.0] 9 issues need reviews

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 25, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Mar 24, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Even with the integrations of saturday, there was a lot done that need >> attention: >> >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/22/3-0-Integration >> >> 6 are ready to be integrated, >> 9 need a code review. >> > now 15 issues need a review. > now 18 issues need a review. Marcus

March 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30013

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:24 AM, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> why do we unload deprecated20 now >> because for me we should unload 1.4 in 30 and 20 in 40alpha. >> Of course people can load it. >> >> > > I think we started to do that earlier when in 1.4 the deprecated was absolutely huge > and made it impossible to clean up further. > (It contained all the MVC support code from Graphics and Fonts) > Another thing is: this is why I *beg* people to review fixes. If nobody reviews, I just do what *I* think is right. This can be completely wrong, of course. Marcus

March 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Fuelout Stack: where in 2.0?

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:12 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Maybe I have a simplified debugger on errors, right? > It is in the stack menu of the debugger. It is not in the pre-debug window. > Thx > > 2013/3/26 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:06 AM, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: >> >>> I may be blind but it seems this is gone from the debugger. >>> >>> How comes? Is this coming back in 3.0 ? >>> >> It should be thereâ¦ last entry in the menu. >> >> Marcus >> >> >

March 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30013

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:24 AM, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: > why do we unload deprecated20 now > because for me we should unload 1.4 in 30 and 20 in 40alpha. > Of course people can load it. > > I think we started to do that earlier when in 1.4 the deprecated was absolutely huge and made it impossible to clean up further. (It contained all the MVC support code from Graphics and Fonts) > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:08 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> 10081 unload Deprecated20 in 3.0 >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10081 >

March 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30013

by stephane ducasse

why do we unload deprecated20 now because for me we should unload 1.4 in 30 and 20 in 40alpha. Of course people can load it. On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:08 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > 10081 unload Deprecated20 in 3.0 > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10081

March 26, 2013