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Re: [Pharo-project] More GSoC ideas wanted, 3 days left ....

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Hi, one more idea here: Title: Tree models visualization Level: intermediate Possible mentor: Usman Bhatti Possible second mentor: Yuriy Tymchuk Description: Moose platform (http://www.moosetechnology.org) does very good job for data analysis. Recent FAST extension allows one to model an AST for a source code. The idea behind this project is to develop an interactive tree visualization that will gradually improve analysis of the underlying model. Technical Details: Roassal graphical visualization engine will be used to visualize tree models. One of a use cases are abstract syntax trees. In particular FAST implementation for Smalltalk. Tree visualization should improve model understanding and incorporate interaction. Upon creation of the visualization, development of a supporting framework is welcome. This way when FAST will be extended to model another languages visualization for them could be introduced in an easy way. Main issues when working with large tree visualization: - for source trees different nodes have different meanings, - size of the model often makes visualization difficult to analyze. - adding interactivity in the visualization to annotate interesting entities, analyze them individually/independently. Benefits to the Student: - learn Roassal visualization engine - learn about software modeling - learn about model representation Benefits to the Community: result can be used in Moose for AST visualizations as well as all other models that conform to tree hierarchy, this will greatly improve their analysis. On 26 Ð±ÐµÑ. 2013, at 12:36, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > Dear Pharoers, > > Ideas are slowly coming, 14 so far, but this is way below the 30+ in > previous years. So, stretch your brain, come with some more ideas, which > will be interesting for potential students and of course useful for our > community. Students you are again welcome to propose such idea by your > own. One student idea for now! > > Ideas so far: http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas > > To propose an idea just respond to this post by fulfilling this idea > template: > > Title: > > Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced) > > Possible mentor: (if already known) > > Possible second mentor: (if already known) > > Description > > Technical Details > > Benefits to the Student > > Benefits to the Community > > Best regards > Serge and Janko, > your this year GSoC admins > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si >

March 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Penelope the Monkey is wrong about email address validity

by Ben Coman

Frank Shearar wrote: > Am I the only one to use an email address containing a . ? Penelope > doesn't recognise frank.shearar(a)gmail.com as a valid address, which is > unfortunate. I've registered with an old email address in the > meantime, but we'll want to flag this up as a problem with someone. > > frank > > > I use emails with dots in the first part all the time. Many businesses use that format by default and it cannot be changed. cheers -ben

March 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] GSoC idea: Spec over Aida component model

by Benjamin

Thank you :) So I think I will apply as a student (and still be present for the student without being a mentor then) :) Ben On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: > Benjamin wrote: >> Thanks for the explanation :) >> >> My question was more >> Can I be a student for project Foo and a mentor for project Bar ? >> >> :) >> >> Ben >> > > GSOC FAQ... > > Students and Eligibility > Q10: I would like to participate in Google Summer of Code as both a mentor and a student. Is this possible? > ****A: We've given this question a lot of thought, and we've decided it is best not to allow participants to act as a mentor to another /Google Summer of Code/ student while they are working on their own Google Summer of Code student project. We want to make sure that each project and student receives sufficient attention, and we're concerned that this split in focus could create a bad experience for those involved. Please choose whether participation as a mentor or a student is more appealing to you and plan to apply accordingly. > >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Benjamin >>> >>> Dne 26. 03. 2013 16:04, piÅ¡e Benjamin: >>> >>>> Of course I could be a mentor :) >>>> >>>> But my question is can I be a mentor and a student ? >>>> >>> Unfortunatelly not :( >>> >>> >>>> And this proposal go in the direction I want Spec to follow: >>>> platform/framework independency :) >>>> I know that Nico would love to have Spec running in Amber ^^ >>>> >>> So you'd like to run as a student for the Spec Independency project, >>> which is also your proposal, so this is actually a Student proposal, >>> right? :) >>> >>> In any case your project can be a good one in parallel to Spec over Aida >>> one. And another over Amber? That way we can evolve Spec while testing >>> it in many frameworks at once. But it seems that we all need to adjust a >>> terminology a bit, HTML5 terms are a bit different, those ins W3C Web >>> Components spec different again, etc. Then event architecture could be >>> different that one in web browser's DOM tree. Then MVC, dependency >>> mechanism, how ideas from JavaScript MVC frameworks like Ember.js, >>> Angular.js etc, can be covered with Spec. In any case, pretty amusing >>> projects indeed :) >>> >>> Best regards >>> Janko >>> >>> >>>> Ben >>>> >>>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si >>>> <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Guys, would be this an interesting project to advance Smalltalk UI more >>>>> toward bleeding edge again, after 30 years, when we were there already >>>>> with MVC based GUI? Spec project have a potential here and Spec over web >>>>> frameworks to build fully desktop-capable web apps seems to be >>>>> achievable. Spec over Amber (who will propose that?), Spec over Aida, >>>>> Spec over Seaside? Benjamin, would you be a co-mentor of that project? >>>>> >>>>> Title: Spec over Aida for desktop-capable Web Apps >>>>> >>>>> Level: advanced >>>>> >>>>> Possible mentor: Janko MivÅ¡ek >>>>> >>>>> Possible second mentor: Benjamin? >>>>> >>>>> Description >>>>> >>>>> Spec as a means to describe and generate GUI has a potential to help >>>>> building web applications as well. And because one of Spec goals is to >>>>> become a platform/framework independent, this project has a goal to >>>>> extend Aida component model for building Single Page web apps to become >>>>> Spec-aware >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Technical Details >>>>> >>>>> Aida has a component model for building so called Single Page web UIs, >>>>> capable of composing a hierarchy of so called web widgets, which are >>>>> standalone reusable components, together with hierarchical web form >>>>> support. Spec as descriptor and generator of UI is therefore a natural >>>>> extension of Aida component model. When a HTML5 Web Components standard >>>>> will be ready, Aida component model can be easily extended to support >>>>> that standard as well, together with Spec (and maybe UIBuilder too?). >>>>> >>>>> Benefits to the Student >>>>> >>>>> Student will acquire the knowledge and experience of building >>>>> desktop-capable UIs on the web using HTML5 approach. >>>>> >>>>> Benefits to the Community >>>>> >>>>> Spec has a potential to become a de-facto standard way of describing >>>>> User Interfaces for Smalltalk projects from desktop to web and mobile, >>>>> on a dialect and web framework neutral way. This project can contribute >>>>> a piece toward that goal. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> Janko >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Janko MivÅ¡ek >>>>> Aida/Web >>>>> Smalltalk Web Application Server >>>>> http://www.aidaweb.si >>>>> >>>>> >>> -- >>> Janko MivÅ¡ek >>> Aida/Web >>> Smalltalk Web Application Server >>> http://www.aidaweb.si >>> >>> >> >> >> > >

March 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] GSoC idea: Spec over Aida component model

by Ben Coman

Benjamin wrote: > Thanks for the explanation :) > > My question was more > Can I be a student for project Foo and a mentor for project Bar ? > > :) > > Ben > GSOC FAQ... Students and Eligibility Q10: I would like to participate in Google Summer of Code as both a mentor and a student. Is this possible? ****A: We've given this question a lot of thought, and we've decided it is best not to allow participants to act as a mentor to another /Google Summer of Code/ student while they are working on their own Google Summer of Code student project. We want to make sure that each project and student receives sufficient attention, and we're concerned that this split in focus could create a bad experience for those involved. Please choose whether participation as a mentor or a student is more appealing to you and plan to apply accordingly. > On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > > >> Hi Benjamin >> >> Dne 26. 03. 2013 16:04, piÅ¡e Benjamin: >> >>> Of course I could be a mentor :) >>> >>> But my question is can I be a mentor and a student ? >>> >> Unfortunatelly not :( >> >> >>> And this proposal go in the direction I want Spec to follow: >>> platform/framework independency :) >>> I know that Nico would love to have Spec running in Amber ^^ >>> >> So you'd like to run as a student for the Spec Independency project, >> which is also your proposal, so this is actually a Student proposal, >> right? :) >> >> In any case your project can be a good one in parallel to Spec over Aida >> one. And another over Amber? That way we can evolve Spec while testing >> it in many frameworks at once. But it seems that we all need to adjust a >> terminology a bit, HTML5 terms are a bit different, those ins W3C Web >> Components spec different again, etc. Then event architecture could be >> different that one in web browser's DOM tree. Then MVC, dependency >> mechanism, how ideas from JavaScript MVC frameworks like Ember.js, >> Angular.js etc, can be covered with Spec. In any case, pretty amusing >> projects indeed :) >> >> Best regards >> Janko >> >> >>> Ben >>> >>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si >>> <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Guys, would be this an interesting project to advance Smalltalk UI more >>>> toward bleeding edge again, after 30 years, when we were there already >>>> with MVC based GUI? Spec project have a potential here and Spec over web >>>> frameworks to build fully desktop-capable web apps seems to be >>>> achievable. Spec over Amber (who will propose that?), Spec over Aida, >>>> Spec over Seaside? Benjamin, would you be a co-mentor of that project? >>>> >>>> Title: Spec over Aida for desktop-capable Web Apps >>>> >>>> Level: advanced >>>> >>>> Possible mentor: Janko MivÅ¡ek >>>> >>>> Possible second mentor: Benjamin? >>>> >>>> Description >>>> >>>> Spec as a means to describe and generate GUI has a potential to help >>>> building web applications as well. And because one of Spec goals is to >>>> become a platform/framework independent, this project has a goal to >>>> extend Aida component model for building Single Page web apps to become >>>> Spec-aware >>>> >>>> >>>> Technical Details >>>> >>>> Aida has a component model for building so called Single Page web UIs, >>>> capable of composing a hierarchy of so called web widgets, which are >>>> standalone reusable components, together with hierarchical web form >>>> support. Spec as descriptor and generator of UI is therefore a natural >>>> extension of Aida component model. When a HTML5 Web Components standard >>>> will be ready, Aida component model can be easily extended to support >>>> that standard as well, together with Spec (and maybe UIBuilder too?). >>>> >>>> Benefits to the Student >>>> >>>> Student will acquire the knowledge and experience of building >>>> desktop-capable UIs on the web using HTML5 approach. >>>> >>>> Benefits to the Community >>>> >>>> Spec has a potential to become a de-facto standard way of describing >>>> User Interfaces for Smalltalk projects from desktop to web and mobile, >>>> on a dialect and web framework neutral way. This project can contribute >>>> a piece toward that goal. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> Janko >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Janko MivÅ¡ek >>>> Aida/Web >>>> Smalltalk Web Application Server >>>> http://www.aidaweb.si >>>> >>>> >> -- >> Janko MivÅ¡ek >> Aida/Web >> Smalltalk Web Application Server >> http://www.aidaweb.si >> >> > > >

March 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] in anybody out there? who uses 2.0?

by Max Leske

I use 2.0 for development of FileSystem-Git and Fuel but it will be quite a while before we'll have a critical application working on 2.0, so in that respect: no we don't use 2.0 in production. Max On 27.03.2013, at 15:24, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Here in Pharo headquarters we are shock that there are just 10 new bugs reported for 2.0 after the release... > So... I wonder... is that because we made a really cool release, or just because nobody is using it? > > Cheers, > Esteban > >

March 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Penelope the Monkey is wrong about email address validity

by Benjamin

Thank you for the report We are aware of this, but running out of time right now. Sorry for the inconvenience, Ben On Mar 27, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Am I the only one to use an email address containing a . ? Penelope > doesn't recognise frank.shearar(a)gmail.com as a valid address, which is > unfortunate. I've registered with an old email address in the > meantime, but we'll want to flag this up as a problem with someone. > > frank >

March 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] in anybody out there? who uses 2.0?

by phil＠highoctane.be

As far as I am concerned, I report what I do find. But needing to put bread on the table, I can do that a few days a week. More to expect as I started the development of a seaside-rest / amber app (getting inspiration from STH). Other than that, the system looks like okay from a usage perspective. Phil 2013/3/27 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > > Here in Pharo headquarters we are shock that there are just 10 new bugs reported for 2.0 after the release... > So... I wonder... is that because we made a really cool release, or just because nobody is using it? > > Cheers, > Esteban > >

March 27, 2013

[Pharo-project] Penelope the Monkey is wrong about email address validity

by Frank Shearar

Am I the only one to use an email address containing a . ? Penelope doesn't recognise frank.shearar(a)gmail.com as a valid address, which is unfortunate. I've registered with an old email address in the meantime, but we'll want to flag this up as a problem with someone. frank

March 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] in anybody out there? who uses 2.0?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi, On 27 Mar 2013, at 15:24, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Here in Pharo headquarters we are shock that there are just 10 new bugs reported for 2.0 after the release... > So... I wonder... is that because we made a really cool release, or just because nobody is using it? > > Cheers, > Esteban Of course there are still (mostly undiscovered) bugs, but overall I find 2.0 really solid. I really think that all the hard work in the last couple of months/weeks did pay off. Thanks ! Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

March 27, 2013

[Pharo-project] in anybody out there? who uses 2.0?

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, Here in Pharo headquarters we are shock that there are just 10 new bugs reported for 2.0 after the release... So... I wonder... is that because we made a really cool release, or just because nobody is using it? Cheers, Esteban

March 27, 2013