March 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Getting SoundRecorder to work: how?

by jannik.laval

I can not load it: VM crashes. With this code: Gofer it url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/PharoExtras/Sound/main'; package: 'ConfigurationOfPharoSound'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPharoSound) project lastVersion load. Jannik On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:17 PM, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: > PharoExtras/Sound > > on SmalltalkHub > > > On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:33 PM, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > >> No, link please? >> >> 2013/3/12 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> did you try with the new Sound configuration I just published on SmalltalkHub? >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2013, at 5:11 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>> >>>> sr := SoundRecorder new. >>>> sr startRecording. >>>> sr stopRecording. >>>> sr playback. >>>> >>>> doesn't seem to do anything properly and gives me a DNU inside the playback... >>>> >>>> Clues? >>>> Phil >>>> >>> >>> >> > >

March 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] beta 1.4 documentation online

by stephane ducasse

On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 2013-03-12, at 19:39, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Why don't we add a link in the Pharo website with such an online help? >> It would be nice if this is indexable by Google. > > once I fixed the rough edges of this new export, yes :), google will be happy > and everybody can search for code snippets online! :) :) and the chapter too ;) Stef > >> Thanks Cami!!! Nice job >> >> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> how I hate the options of the VM |( >>> >>> no --help, >>> -help exits unsuccessful >>> .... grml grml grml >>> >>> On 2013-03-12, at 17:20, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: >>> >>>> And it is not even true >>>> >>>> <imageName> defaults to `Squeak.image'. >>>> >>>> as I get a file dialog when such an image is in the folder. (Duly >>>> created with the save command) >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> 2013/3/12 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-03-12, at 16:51, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> These are the standard installed handlers: >>>>>> >>>>>> $ ../vm.sh Pharo.image --list >>>>>> Currently installed Command Line Handlers: >>>>>> st Loads and executes .st source files >>>>>> Fuel Loads fuel files >>>>>> config Install and inspect Metacello Configurations from >>> the command line >>>>>> save Rename the image and changes file >>>>>> test A command line test runner >>>>>> update Load updates >>>>>> printVersion Print image version >>>>>> eval Directly evaluates passed in one line scripts >>>>>> >>>>>> for each of them you can do --help >>>>>> >>>>>> $ ../vm.sh Pharo.image save --help >>>>>> Usage: save <imageBaseName> [--delete-old] >>>>>> <imageName> a base name for the image >>>>>> --delete-old remove the old image and changes file >>>>>> >>>>>> Documentation: >>>>>> Saves the image and changes file under a new name. >>>>>> >>>>>> Examples: >>>>>> # create a 'bar.image' and 'foo.changes' >>>>>> $PHAROVM Foo.image saveAs bar >>>>>> # create the same file as in the previous example but delete >>> Foo.image and Foo.changes >>>>>> $PHAROVM Foo.image saveAs bar --delete-old >>>>>> >>>>>> Sven >>>>> >>>>> ups, typos, typos: saveAs => save :/ >>>>> I'll open an issue >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 12 Mar 2013, at 16:48, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That already exists no ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> $ ./vm.sh Pharo.image save Foo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> will do a 'Save As..' to Foo.[image|changes] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12 Mar 2013, at 16:45, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW, an interesting additional ./vm.sh command would be: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> $./vm.sh clone Pharo WebDocExperiment >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> which would do a copy of Pharo.image and Pharo.changes to the >>>>>>>> WebDoc.image and WebDoc.changes >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>> 2013/3/12 Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>> impressive!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:06 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be < >>> phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/doc/1.4/doc/package/undefined >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RSArrayNode. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2013/3/12 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-03-12, at 14:49, Guillermo Polito < >>> guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Camillo Bruni < >>> camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> finally, after the 100th attempt I managed to export the >>> documentation on >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.4 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/doc/1.4 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this weekend I will tackle 2.0 :) and of course, it still needs >>> some love! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - How can I export it myself too? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> currently work in progress, but there is a configuration for it: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gofer new >>>>>>>>>>> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/dh83/webdoc/main' >>>>>>>>>>> configurationOf: 'WebDoc'; >>>>>>>>>>> loadDevelopment. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And I think you have to manually start up a seaside adapter, once >>> that is done: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://localhost:8080/doc >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> should do the trick. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - We should report issues about it in the foogzbuz (or whatever >>> it is >>>>>>>>>>>> called I cannot reproduce yet :P). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> yes, maybe let's wait until next weekend :) since it doesn't run >>> under >>>>>>>>>>> 2.0 yet :P. I won't work on during the day :P that is reserved >>> for Guido and >>>>>>>>>>> the paper... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

March 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Getting SoundRecorder to work: how?

by stephane ducasse

PharoExtras/Sound on SmalltalkHub On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:33 PM, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > No, link please? > > 2013/3/12 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> did you try with the new Sound configuration I just published on SmalltalkHub? >> >> On Mar 12, 2013, at 5:11 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >>> sr := SoundRecorder new. >>> sr startRecording. >>> sr stopRecording. >>> sr playback. >>> >>> doesn't seem to do anything properly and gives me a DNU inside the playback... >>> >>> Clues? >>> Phil >>> >> >> >

March 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] World menu > System > Switch User : What's that?

by stephane ducasse

We forgot to remove it. But the idea is to provide different user experience and capability. Stef > I was wondering what this was for? Permissions? Huh? > > Thanks for shedding some light on that! > > Phil > <PharoScreenshot.1.png>

March 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Latest pharo issue with Eliot's latest Cog

by Stephan Eggermont

Esteban wrote: >Pharo 2.0 does not work with Eliot builds (and it will not work in some scenarios). >In this case, the main reason is that we rebuild (and use) FilePlugin and it is not >incorporated in Eliot branch of the vm... so the FileDialogWindow will take years to open if opens at all. >You need to use one of our VM builds (anyone from last 6 months to now should work) Ah, I didn't know the differences were already so that we need a Pharo-specific vm. nbcog-mac-latest.zip from 27-11-2012 doesn't crash. 15883 run, 15493 passes, 2 skipped, 88 expected failures, 207 failures, 95 errors, 0 unexpected passes Would it be possible to have the vm warning more informative? Something like "expected FilePlugIn, ..."? Stephan

March 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] WhatsUp from: 2013-03-11 until: 2013-03-24

by Tudor Girba

Hi, First of all, I think this is a very cool initiative. > ### Here's what I've been up to since the last WhatsUp: - Working on getting Moose to work on Pharo 2.0 - Extended (and documented) the CommandLineHandler to run multiple tests based on context specific requirements - Attracted sponsors for PharoConf + MooseDay to make the event free to attend - Annoyed people with requests for giving talks and tutorial at PharoConf + MooseDay - Brainstormed and reviewed with Andrei around a very cool (really :)) and modular debugger model > ### What's next, until 2013-03-24 (*): > > - $NEXT_STEPS_TOWARDS_WORLD_DOMINATION > > (*) we'll be expecting results by then ;) - Find a solution for running Moose on a Pharo 2.0-compatible VM - Organize the PharoConf + MooseDay Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "Things happen when they happen, not when you talk about them happening."

March 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] beta 1.4 documentation online

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-03-12, at 19:39, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Why don't we add a link in the Pharo website with such an online help? > It would be nice if this is indexable by Google. once I fixed the rough edges of this new export, yes :), google will be happy and everybody can search for code snippets online! :) > Thanks Cami!!! Nice job > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> how I hate the options of the VM |( >> >> no --help, >> -help exits unsuccessful >> .... grml grml grml >> >> On 2013-03-12, at 17:20, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: >> >>> And it is not even true >>> >>> <imageName> defaults to `Squeak.image'. >>> >>> as I get a file dialog when such an image is in the folder. (Duly >>> created with the save command) >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> 2013/3/12 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> On 2013-03-12, at 16:51, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>> >>>>> These are the standard installed handlers: >>>>> >>>>> $ ../vm.sh Pharo.image --list >>>>> Currently installed Command Line Handlers: >>>>> st Loads and executes .st source files >>>>> Fuel Loads fuel files >>>>> config Install and inspect Metacello Configurations from >> the command line >>>>> save Rename the image and changes file >>>>> test A command line test runner >>>>> update Load updates >>>>> printVersion Print image version >>>>> eval Directly evaluates passed in one line scripts >>>>> >>>>> for each of them you can do --help >>>>> >>>>> $ ../vm.sh Pharo.image save --help >>>>> Usage: save <imageBaseName> [--delete-old] >>>>> <imageName> a base name for the image >>>>> --delete-old remove the old image and changes file >>>>> >>>>> Documentation: >>>>> Saves the image and changes file under a new name. >>>>> >>>>> Examples: >>>>> # create a 'bar.image' and 'foo.changes' >>>>> $PHAROVM Foo.image saveAs bar >>>>> # create the same file as in the previous example but delete >> Foo.image and Foo.changes >>>>> $PHAROVM Foo.image saveAs bar --delete-old >>>>> >>>>> Sven >>>> >>>> ups, typos, typos: saveAs => save :/ >>>> I'll open an issue >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 12 Mar 2013, at 16:48, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That already exists no ? >>>>>> >>>>>> $ ./vm.sh Pharo.image save Foo >>>>>> >>>>>> will do a 'Save As..' to Foo.[image|changes] >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12 Mar 2013, at 16:45, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW, an interesting additional ./vm.sh command would be: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> $./vm.sh clone Pharo WebDocExperiment >>>>>>> >>>>>>> which would do a copy of Pharo.image and Pharo.changes to the >>>>>>> WebDoc.image and WebDoc.changes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>> 2013/3/12 Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>>>> impressive!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:06 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be < >> phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: >>>>>>>>> http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/doc/1.4/doc/package/undefined >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RSArrayNode. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2013/3/12 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2013-03-12, at 14:49, Guillermo Polito < >> guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Camillo Bruni < >> camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> finally, after the 100th attempt I managed to export the >> documentation on >>>>>>>>>>>> 1.4 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/doc/1.4 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> this weekend I will tackle 2.0 :) and of course, it still needs >> some love! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - How can I export it myself too? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> currently work in progress, but there is a configuration for it: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gofer new >>>>>>>>>> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/dh83/webdoc/main' >>>>>>>>>> configurationOf: 'WebDoc'; >>>>>>>>>> loadDevelopment. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And I think you have to manually start up a seaside adapter, once >> that is done: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://localhost:8080/doc >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> should do the trick. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - We should report issues about it in the foogzbuz (or whatever >> it is >>>>>>>>>>> called I cannot reproduce yet :P). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> yes, maybe let's wait until next weekend :) since it doesn't run >> under >>>>>>>>>> 2.0 yet :P. I won't work on during the day :P that is reserved >> for Guido and >>>>>>>>>> the paper... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

March 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Latest pharo issue with Eliot's latest Cog

by Tudor Girba

That is one, but if I disable that one, others also get to crash the VM. I did not yet investigate further, but I will start now to try also with the NBCog and will keep you posted. Cheers, Doru On Mar 12, 2013, at 5:59 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > is GLMMorphicExamplesTest>>#testSmoke > > On Mar 12, 2013, at 5:55 PM, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> >> On Mar 12, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I understand and encourage the streamlining of efforts. And I have no problem with dealing with the bumps of living on the latest version, be it the VM or the image. >>> >>> But, please consider the point of view of the one that offers the feedback. Right now, it sounds as if you are shooting down an unreasonable request from Stephan, but in this case, Esteban suggested that we should use the Cog VM instead of the Pharo VM to develop Moose, given that the Pharo VM is basically broken for us. >>> >>> So, Stephan did exactly that: he used the Cog VM. He reported that the tests do not crash the VM, which I think should be a relevant input, and he also reported other problems while running on the Cog VM. These errors indeed seem to be related to FileSystem, and this just shows that using the Cog VM as a temporary solution does not work. So, we have to focus on the Pharo VM. >> >> >> doru do you have an idea of the tests that crash the vm? >> >>> >>> And now, I am back to the original question: What other tests or experiments would you like us to do to help with identifying the problem? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> FileDialogs apparently make use of the new FileSystem values, so yes, >>> the update-our-VM-warning is there for a good reason! >>> >>> On 2013-03-12, at 16:47, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: >>> >>> > The problem is not just with the MOOSE image, >>> > Pharo 20598 and Cog.app 2071 doesn't allow a >>> > file dialog to be opened. >>> > >>> > FileDialogWindow new open >>> > >>> > Stephan >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow" >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Value is always contextual."

March 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Getting SoundRecorder to work: how?

by phil＠highoctane.be

No, link please? 2013/3/12 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > did you try with the new Sound configuration I just published on SmalltalkHub? > > On Mar 12, 2013, at 5:11 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> sr := SoundRecorder new. >> sr startRecording. >> sr stopRecording. >> sr playback. >> >> doesn't seem to do anything properly and gives me a DNU inside the playback... >> >> Clues? >> Phil >> > >

March 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Getting SoundRecorder to work: how?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

did you try with the new Sound configuration I just published on SmalltalkHub? On Mar 12, 2013, at 5:11 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > sr := SoundRecorder new. > sr startRecording. > sr stopRecording. > sr playback. > > doesn't seem to do anything properly and gives me a DNU inside the playback... > > Clues? > Phil >

March 12, 2013