February 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] New Issue Tracker

by Benjamin

I wanna play too :) Ben On Feb 9, 2013, at 12:05 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>> >>> Fog Creek would be happy to provide all of you with a free FogBugz On >>> Demand account. It has a good API, it has file attachments, it has >>> custom workflows, triggers, and plugins, and we're about to release a >>> version that's Gmail-level fast (which I could turn on immediately for a >>> Pharo account, so you don't have to use the existing "slow" version). I >>> know it's a relatively complete tracker compared to e.g. GitHub Issues, >>> but I'd like to believe that our UI is easier to navigate than some of >>> the other options. Plus, I'd be happy to help migrate your issues from >>> Google Code to FogBugz on your behalf, with full history if you'd like. >>> >>> I know I pretty much lurk on this list these days, but I've been >>> programming in Squeak since 1996 and Pharo since it came into existence; >>> giving all of you a free, good bug tracker would make me quite happy. >>> >>> --Benjamin >> >> Very interesting offer indeed. >> Would be very cool. >> > > Yes! Camillo already did a tracker for playing: > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com > > Can you enable us to be testers for the new version? > > Marcus > >

Feb. 8, 2013

[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20531

by Marcus Denker

20531 ----- Issue 7464: Code critic - codecritc browser http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=7464 Issue 7102: Dont insert spaces between SmartCharacters http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=7102 Issue 7466: PluggableTextMorph redo still not working http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=7466 Diff information: http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/NECompletion-MarcusDenker.91.diff http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/Morphic-MarcusDenker.1350.diff http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/Manifest-CriticBrowser-MarcusDenker.57.d… http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/Manifest-Core-MarcusDenker.111.diff

Feb. 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] New Issue Tracker

by Marcus Denker

On Feb 9, 2013, at 12:01 AM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 8 February 2013 22:51, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:49 PM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 8 February 2013 22:41, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:34 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's not a valid comparison. In Squeak trunk bugs are getting fixed at a >>>>>> much higher rate >>>> >>>> Are you sure? The list that Craig showed at Fosdem was rather short. >>> >>> Well, obviously Squeak is a rather smaller community, so that's hardly >>> surprising. >>> >>> Squeakers _do_ need to use bugs.squeak.org, but as I'm sure you know >>> from getting Pharo going, this is partly a matter of education. >>> >> >> It is a matter of someone doing it. > > ... and convincing people to do it is called education. Note my use of > the word "partly". Anyway, I'm not sure why you're getting stuck into > this. You sound annoyed. I will always be annoyed about that topicâ¦ ;-) Marcus

Feb. 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] New Issue Tracker

by Marcus Denker

On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> Fog Creek would be happy to provide all of you with a free FogBugz On >> Demand account. It has a good API, it has file attachments, it has >> custom workflows, triggers, and plugins, and we're about to release a >> version that's Gmail-level fast (which I could turn on immediately for a >> Pharo account, so you don't have to use the existing "slow" version). I >> know it's a relatively complete tracker compared to e.g. GitHub Issues, >> but I'd like to believe that our UI is easier to navigate than some of >> the other options. Plus, I'd be happy to help migrate your issues from >> Google Code to FogBugz on your behalf, with full history if you'd like. >> >> I know I pretty much lurk on this list these days, but I've been >> programming in Squeak since 1996 and Pharo since it came into existence; >> giving all of you a free, good bug tracker would make me quite happy. >> >> --Benjamin > > Very interesting offer indeed. > Would be very cool. > Yes! Camillo already did a tracker for playing: https://pharo.fogbugz.com Can you enable us to be testers for the new version? Marcus

Feb. 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] New Issue Tracker

by Frank Shearar

On 8 February 2013 22:51, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:49 PM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 8 February 2013 22:41, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:34 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's not a valid comparison. In Squeak trunk bugs are getting fixed at a >>>>> much higher rate >>> >>> Are you sure? The list that Craig showed at Fosdem was rather short. >> >> Well, obviously Squeak is a rather smaller community, so that's hardly >> surprising. >> >> Squeakers _do_ need to use bugs.squeak.org, but as I'm sure you know >> from getting Pharo going, this is partly a matter of education. >> > > It is a matter of someone doing it. ... and convincing people to do it is called education. Note my use of the word "partly". Anyway, I'm not sure why you're getting stuck into this. You sound annoyed. How about we get back to the topic? Mantis is disgustingly ugly, but it does work. Trac is highly customisable (we have extensively modified its workflow at my work), allows you to upload files, and so on. It's not exactly pretty either. frank > Marcus > >

Feb. 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] New Issue Tracker

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 08 Feb 2013, at 22:10, Benjamin Pollack <benjamin(a)bitquabit.com> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013, at 04:04 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote: >> >> On 2013-02-08, at 21:58, "Esteban A. Maringolo" <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> (regarding Mantis) >>> >>> 2013/2/8 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>> we used it for squeak and I never liked it. >>> >>> It is ugly as it gets, I don't like its appearance either. I won't >>> argue on that :) >>> >>> But it is reliable, flexible and full of features. >>> >>> We talked about migrating to JIRA, but we have ~12000 issues tracked, >>> and moving off is not an option by now. >>> >>> On aesthetics I like the simplicity of GitHub or the "style" of JIRA >>> (some bloatware can be removed and/or hidden). >> >> true JIRA is already much better. But still compared to trac or github... >> :D >> >> Well in the end we might survive with JIRA as well ;) since issues should >> be >> filed in from the image directly. So the interface is mostly a problem >> for the >> integrators ;) > > > Fog Creek would be happy to provide all of you with a free FogBugz On > Demand account. It has a good API, it has file attachments, it has > custom workflows, triggers, and plugins, and we're about to release a > version that's Gmail-level fast (which I could turn on immediately for a > Pharo account, so you don't have to use the existing "slow" version). I > know it's a relatively complete tracker compared to e.g. GitHub Issues, > but I'd like to believe that our UI is easier to navigate than some of > the other options. Plus, I'd be happy to help migrate your issues from > Google Code to FogBugz on your behalf, with full history if you'd like. > > I know I pretty much lurk on this list these days, but I've been > programming in Squeak since 1996 and Pharo since it came into existence; > giving all of you a free, good bug tracker would make me quite happy. > > --Benjamin Very interesting offer indeed. Would be very cool. -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Feb. 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] New Issue Tracker

by Marcus Denker

On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:49 PM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 8 February 2013 22:41, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:34 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >>>> >>>> That's not a valid comparison. In Squeak trunk bugs are getting fixed at a >>>> much higher rate >> >> Are you sure? The list that Craig showed at Fosdem was rather short. > > Well, obviously Squeak is a rather smaller community, so that's hardly > surprising. > > Squeakers _do_ need to use bugs.squeak.org, but as I'm sure you know > from getting Pharo going, this is partly a matter of education. > It is a matter of someone doing it. Marcus

Feb. 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] New Issue Tracker

by Frank Shearar

On 8 February 2013 22:41, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:34 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> >>> >>> That's not a valid comparison. In Squeak trunk bugs are getting fixed at a >>> much higher rate > > Are you sure? The list that Craig showed at Fosdem was rather short. Well, obviously Squeak is a rather smaller community, so that's hardly surprising. Squeakers _do_ need to use bugs.squeak.org, but as I'm sure you know from getting Pharo going, this is partly a matter of education. frank > Marcus > >

Feb. 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] New Issue Tracker

by Eliot Miranda

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:34 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > >> > >> That's not a valid comparison. In Squeak trunk bugs are getting fixed > at a > >> much higher rate > > Are you sure? The list that Craig showed at Fosdem was rather short. > I'm pretty sure [ ;) ], even though I don't have the figures (mainly due to us not using an issue tracker). How would Craig provide a full list of bugs without an issue tracker? > > Marcus > > > -- best, Eliot

Feb. 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] New Issue Tracker

by Marcus Denker

On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:34 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >> That's not a valid comparison. In Squeak trunk bugs are getting fixed at a >> much higher rate Are you sure? The list that Craig showed at Fosdem was rather short. Marcus

Feb. 8, 2013