December 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] 34 "priority" issues for Pharo3

by btc＠openinworld.com

Marcus Denker wrote: > Sometimes itâs really strangeâ¦ people seem to really think that releasing software contains a âreading minds > from the distanceâ phase of bug discovery. > > Marcus > > Not able to read minds yet? I've logged an issue for it. cheers -ben

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Please stop top posting... (was Re: Tell me about your workflow)

by Sergi Reyner

2013/12/17 Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> This battle was lost a decade ago, I'm afraid. > This wasnÂ´t even a battle until someone decided that top-posting was an amazingly good thing. Thanks to that, we now have posts/mails that sometimes donÂ´t contain even a full sentence of original content, and are followed by loads of quoted text, with signatures, headers, images... you name it. I stop reading some threads because of the excessive amount of irrelevant quoted text, and the inverted order of "response to something" followed by "something that prompted the response. That, if there is a quote at all... Back in the day (I am talking about BBSs, Fidonet and related networks, dating back to the 80s), people took pride in having a very low content to quote ratio, but we were also very careful to quote everything needed to make sense of the response. No more, no less. The early days of Internet email werenÂ´t as bad, either. I came to the conclusion, some years ago, that I will continue to strive to quote properly, and the rest of the world is free to do whatever they want. And I am then free to just ignore messages or threads that are too much trouble for me to follow. Cheers, Sergi

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] 34 "priority" issues for Pharo3

by Guillermo Polito

I'm checking https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11756/When-removing-intance-variables-fro… I've reproduced it and writing a test for it now... But I don't fully understand how the new class builder propagates changes to subclasses. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > On 17 Dec 2013, at 08:17, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > 2) Your favourite issue is not in this list? â> make sure it is tagged > for pharo3 *and* has a > > priority higher than âwould be niceâ. > > > > I should repeat and stress *very very violently* that community action is > *really* needed here. > > If your issue that you think is oh so important (but you just *think*, you > do not *communicate*), > it will nevertheless *not* be fixed. Even if you think that it is obvious. > Because you thinking does not lead > to someone acting (other than you yourself, of course). > > Sometimes itâs really strangeâ¦ people seem to really think that releasing > software contains a âreading minds > from the distanceâ phase of bug discovery. > > Marcus >

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Phratch 1.0beta

by kilon alios

Tried your installation instructions on Pharo 3 latest build and I get this error The method AbstractFileReference>>ensureDirectory has been deprecated. Use ensureCreateDirectory this is the full stack trace MorphicUIManager>>warningDefaultAction: Deprecation(Warning)>>defaultAction Deprecation>>defaultAction UndefinedObject>>handleSignal: MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: Deprecation(Exception)>>signal FileLocator(Object)>>deprecated:on:in: FileLocator(AbstractFileReference)>>ensureDirectory PhratchFileChooserDialog class>>userPhratchProjectsDir in Block: [ (homeDir / phratchFolderName) ensureDirectory ] BlockClosure>>on:do: BlockClosure>>ifError: PhratchFileChooserDialog class>>userPhratchProjectsDir PhratchFileChooserDialog class>>getDefaultFolderForType: PhratchFrameMorph>>newPhratchProject PhratchFrameMorph>>startup PhratchFrameMorph class>>open UndefinedObject>>DoIt OpalCompiler>>evaluate SmalltalkEditor>>evaluateSelectionAndDo: SmalltalkEditor>>evaluateSelection PluggableTextMorph>>doIt in Block: [ textMorph editor evaluateSelection ] PluggableTextMorph>>handleEdit: in Block: [ result := editBlock value ] TextMorphForEditView(TextMorph)>>handleEdit: PluggableTextMorph>>handleEdit: PluggableTextMorph>>doIt Workspace(Object)>>perform:orSendTo: ToggleMenuItemMorph(MenuItemMorph)>>invokeWithEvent: in Block: [ ... BlockClosure>>ensure: I cannot open Phratch because of this error. Each time I follow the instructions PhratchFrameMorph open. I get the same error. I am on win7 64bit. Also a note , personal opinion, I dont like the name. To be sincere I never liked "Scratch" as a name either. It sounded to me like an allergy. But "Phratch" as a name makes even less sense. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Hilaire Fernandes < hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Le 16/12/2013 22:45, jannik.laval a Ã©crit : > > I continue to develop Phratch, the port of Scratch in Pharo. > > Phratch is a visual programming language on top of Pharo. > > > > It is fantastic you ported and keep improving this Smalltlak Jewel on > Pharo ;). > > Thanks > > Hilaire > > > > -- > Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu > > >

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Phratch 1.0beta

by Hilaire Fernandes

Le 16/12/2013 22:45, jannik.laval a Ã©crit : > I continue to develop Phratch, the port of Scratch in Pharo. > Phratch is a visual programming language on top of Pharo. > It is fantastic you ported and keep improving this Smalltlak Jewel on Pharo ;). Thanks Hilaire -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Another very simple issue: 11387 Ancient files

by Guillermo Polito

I would tag that for 4.0... what do you think? Better not do that kind of changes in beta :) On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > This issue was opened in August. > > It looks to be *really* quick and easy to either fix or reject as invalid: > > any takers? > > It looks like some files are very old and not used anymore. I can compile > on linux without these filesa: > > platforms/unix/config/config.sub > platforms/unix/config/config.guess > processors/IA32/bochs/config.guess > processors/IA32/bochs/config.sub > platforms/unix/config/ltconfig > platforms/unix/config/ltmain.sh > processors/IA32/bochs/ltmain.sh > > Please consider removing them. > > > >

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Please stop top posting... (was Re: Tell me about your workflow)

by kilon alios

Guilty as Charged ! Yeap no love for mailing lists and even emails in total from me either. And yes I am a big fan of top posting or whatever its called. I prefer reading the reply first , see the quote later on. Having to scroll down a quote to see a reply is killing my inner child. But I have no problem complying on this. Whatever it takes to make people happy and smiley :) The irony here is that mailing lists have been around for decades and still email web clients have not adjusted to fit the needs of having a civil reasonable conversation with people. People trying to claim that web is the future of computing (or the present) , lets say I am not impressed at all. Another proof that being popular does not make you useful. How come web is such a big pile of mess ? Frankly we should be very happy that we are a small community. Imagine this problem scaled up to a language of 1-2 million users. Scary stuff ! On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>wrote: > 2013/12/17 Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com>: > > On 17 December 2013 11:10, GÃ¶ran Krampe <goran(a)krampe.se> wrote: > > If you use Gmail, doing the right thing is now _hard_. (It's a > > click-the-ellipsis, then a find-the-place-to-edit, then hit return to > > make a space for your words, then type, followed by scrolling back up > > to that place because Gmail then jumps the edit position to the bottom > > of the mail, followed by your actual reply.) This battle was lost a > > decade ago, I'm afraid. > > I keep this "This battle was lost a decade ago, I'm afraid." > > Sadly, it is true. > But at least we won the html vs plaintext one (or at least no one else > cares). > > The mailing list format is not good for debate... using mails, in my > opinion. Forums or other similar tools are better suited. > > Esteban A. Maringolo > >

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Relation tower is coming for Roassal

by Tudor Girba

Great addition! Where can we get it from? Doru On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>wrote: > Hi! > > A new builder for Roassal is comingâ¦ The goal of Relation tower is to > easily visualize relations between group of elements. We had the > inspiration from the following website http://peoplemov.in/#! > > Here are some screenshots: > > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.559114290841839.1073741837.340543… > > If you like these screenshots, then you know where the like button is :-) > > We will have this visualization on the web, thanks to our smooth and nice > Pharo2Amber migration process. > > Any idea on how to extend/apply Relation tower? Any set of data you want > us to play with? Your data? > Feedback are very welcome! > > Cheers, > Ricardo & Alexandre > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Phratch 1.0beta

by jannik laval

Hi Phil, In fact, there is a hidden menu: click on a menu maintaining shift button. You will see new items in file menu and edit menu. In the edit menu you can turn fill screen on. Cheers, Jannik 2013/12/17 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> > I started fine on Windows 8 64-bit. > > Now, why is the PhratchFrameMorph not something that I can easily resize > to full screen? (I have to pick it up with halos and resize with the yellow > icon, and picking it up requires the shift-click on the desktop > background). There is the top right icon (projector screen) but this is not > the same as this will only show the scene full screen (which is cool). > Clicking on the bottom right corner gives me a little white hand but it is > not resizing anything. > > In PhratchFrameMorph>>startup, I do see: > > startupFileNames do: [:n | > (n asLowercase = 'presentation') ifTrue: [ > quitFlag := true. > presentationMode := true. > self isHidden: true. > Display fillBlack]. > (n asLowercase = 'fullscreen') ifTrue: [PhratchFrameMorph takeOverScreen: > true]]. > " > TakeOverScreen ifTrue: [ > Display fullScreenMode: true. > World restoreDisplay]. > " > PhratchFrameMorph takeOverScreen: false. > > So, how does that work? > > Phil > > > > > > > --- > Philippe Back > Dramatic Performance Improvements > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 > Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu > Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback > Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium > > Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ > Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - > http://spamcast.libsyn.com > Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value > Added Reseller > > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> You are partly right: I am developing on MacOS. >> But I hope to have a windows version that works. >> >> I will use it for teaching on March 2014. The students are on Windows. So >> if you have feedback, I will accept it with pleasure. >> I am trying to load it on a Windows 7, let's see. >> >> Cheers, >> Jannik >> >> >> 2013/12/17 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> >> >>> Jannik, >>> >>> >>> I tried out (the previous version) on Windows and there were several >>> glitches. I suppose that the main platform is OSX? >>> >>> Impressive stuff! >>> >>> Regards, >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Excellent work Jannik! >>>> >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:45 PM, jannik.laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I continue to develop Phratch, the port of Scratch in Pharo. >>>>> Phratch is a visual programming language on top of Pharo. >>>>> >>>>> There are lots of new features: >>>>> >>>>> - Settings >>>>> - FileSystems >>>>> - Metacello >>>>> - integration of BYOB (allows to build your own blocks) >>>>> - integration of Color and Files >>>>> - a lot of new useful blocks >>>>> - projects saved with Fuel >>>>> - possibility to implement new features without modifying the core of >>>>> the system >>>>> - possibility to customize the environment: add new categories, add >>>>> new kinds of Sprite, add new blocks. >>>>> >>>>> Phratch is available for Pharo2.0 with the following configuration: >>>>> â >>>>> Gofer it >>>>> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/JLaval/Phratch/main' >>>>> username: '' >>>>> password: ''; >>>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfPhratch'; >>>>> load. >>>>> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPhratch) project version: '1.0') load. >>>>> (Smalltalk at: #PhratchFrameMorph) open perform: >>>>> #saveImageForEndUserSilently. >>>>> â >>>>> >>>>> I hope to write documentations about all of the new features asap. >>>>> You can follow Phratch here: >>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/category/phratch/ >>>>> and here : >>>>> https://code.google.com/p/phratch/ >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Jannik >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "Every thing has its own flow" >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> Enseignant-chercheur >> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> > > -- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://car.mines-douai.fr/

Dec. 17, 2013

Another very simple issue: 11387 Ancient files

by Marcus Denker

This issue was opened in August. It looks to be *really* quick and easy to either fix or reject as invalid: any takers? It looks like some files are very old and not used anymore. I can compile on linux without these filesa: platforms/unix/config/config.sub platforms/unix/config/config.guess processors/IA32/bochs/config.guess processors/IA32/bochs/config.sub platforms/unix/config/ltconfig platforms/unix/config/ltmain.sh processors/IA32/bochs/ltmain.sh Please consider removing them.

Dec. 17, 2013