December 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Phratch 1.0beta

by S Krish

Jannik, Just to let you know, I had loaded Phratch on Pharo 3.0 few days back and it worked fine at the basic levels. It did throw the an error dialog but continued to load and present the full screen of scratch. I will test it further as it progresses.. ( as someone else said, no harm moving to a attractive name for such a beauty of a work ..)

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Phratch 1.0beta

by jannik.laval

On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:22 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > ----------- > Please, try it with Pharo2.0 for now. > I will fix your bug soon. > > Janniik > ------------- > > Yes I am already trying it with pharo 2 and it seems to work fine. Is there a way to trigger the world menu ? Your GUI takes the whole pharo window so there is no open space to trigger the world menu, and if I try to resize the window the GUI resizes too to fit it. Halos look disabled too. > Yes, you can use shift+click on the edit menu. You will see some hidden items, one allows one to window the main phratch screen . > I really like your GUI, is it just Morphic or you use Spec as well, or something else ? It is a full-Morphic gui Jannik

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Sprint friday :)

by Serge Stinckwich

On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:59 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi Pharoers > > we will have an official sprint friday and we have the following visitors > - andrei chis, jan kurs from Berne > - alain plantec from Brest > - serge stinckwich from Caen Unfortunately, I will attend only the MooseDay thursday. Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Phratch 1.0beta

by kilon alios

----------- Please, try it with Pharo2.0 for now. I will fix your bug soon. Janniik ------------- Yes I am already trying it with pharo 2 and it seems to work fine. Is there a way to trigger the world menu ? Your GUI takes the whole pharo window so there is no open space to trigger the world menu, and if I try to resize the window the GUI resizes too to fit it. Halos look disabled too. I really like your GUI, is it just Morphic or you use Spec as well, or something else ?

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Phratch 1.0beta

by jannik.laval

Please, try it with Pharo2.0 for now. I will fix your bug soon. Janniik On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:51 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > About the name, I was offering my personal opinion. In no way I am trying to persuade you to change the name. > > Unfortunately I am getting the exact same error in macos too, so this is not a windows only problem. > > By the way I am getting my latest pharo images via PharoLauncher, so I thought that was the reason for the error. So I downloaded from the pharo website pharo 3, again I see the same error. > > So to sum up because of the error I reported I cant use Phratch either on Windows or Macos with Pharo 3. > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:21 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Oki :) > > <phratch2.png> > > > 2013/12/17 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> > > With some blocks... > > > > --- > Philippe Back > Dramatic Performance Improvements > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 > Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu > Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback > Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium > > Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ > Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com > Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller > > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:30 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Like this one ? > > > <phratch.png> > > > 2013/12/17 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > Do you have a screenshot for an [ANN] on pharo.org? > > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I continue to develop Phratch, the port of Scratch in Pharo. > >> Phratch is a visual programming language on top of Pharo. > >> > >> There are lots of new features: > >> > >> - Settings > >> - FileSystems > >> - Metacello > >> - integration of BYOB (allows to build your own blocks) > >> - integration of Color and Files > >> - a lot of new useful blocks > >> - projects saved with Fuel > >> - possibility to implement new features without modifying the core of the system > >> - possibility to customize the environment: add new categories, add new kinds of Sprite, add new blocks. > >> > >> Phratch is available for Pharo2.0 with the following configuration: > >> â > >> Gofer it > >> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/JLaval/Phratch/main' > >> username: '' > >> password: ''; > >> package: 'ConfigurationOfPhratch'; > >> load. > >> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPhratch) project version: '1.0') load. > >> (Smalltalk at: #PhratchFrameMorph) open perform: #saveImageForEndUserSilently. > >> â > >> > >> I hope to write documentations about all of the new features asap. > >> You can follow Phratch here: > >> http://car.mines-douai.fr/category/phratch/ > >> and here : > >> https://code.google.com/p/phratch/ > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Jannik > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ > > > > > > -- > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ > >

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Please stop top posting... (was Re: Tell me about your workflow)

by Frank Shearar

On 17 December 2013 19:56, GÃ¶ran Krampe <goran(a)krampe.se> wrote: > On 12/17/2013 03:30 PM, Sergi Reyner wrote: >> >> I came to the conclusion, some years ago, that I will continue to strive >> to quote properly, and the rest of the world is free to do whatever they >> want. And I am then free to just ignore messages or threads that are too >> much trouble for me to follow. > > > Amen to that. And I am an atheist even :) > > regards, GÃ¶ran > > PS. Mailinglists beats web forums every day of the week IMHO. I am following > at least 12 different mailinglists and would go totally NUTS if I had to do > that in various different web UIs that don't keep track of what I have read > or not... Web forums have pull semantics, meaning you have to go to the site to pull the info. That, in turn, implies polling. RSS mitigates this somewhat, together with aggregation, for read-only sources of info. And then if you want to respond, you'd have to go to the website, and log in, and all sorts of nonsense. frank

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Please stop top posting... (was Re: Tell me about your workflow)

by GÃ¶ran Krampe

On 12/17/2013 03:30 PM, Sergi Reyner wrote: > I came to the conclusion, some years ago, that I will continue to strive > to quote properly, and the rest of the world is free to do whatever they > want. And I am then free to just ignore messages or threads that are too > much trouble for me to follow. Amen to that. And I am an atheist even :) regards, GÃ¶ran PS. Mailinglists beats web forums every day of the week IMHO. I am following at least 12 different mailinglists and would go totally NUTS if I had to do that in various different web UIs that don't keep track of what I have read or not...

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Please stop top posting... (was Re: Tell me about your workflow)

by Frank Shearar

On 17 December 2013 16:42, Chris Muller <asqueaker(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> If you use Gmail, doing the right thing is now _hard_. (It's a >> click-the-ellipsis, then a find-the-place-to-edit, then hit return to > > > No need for the fine-motor click, just use right-arrow + Enter. How did you find that out? Good to know, but I've no idea how I might have stumbled upon that by accident. >> make a space for your words, then type, followed by scrolling back up >> to that place because Gmail then jumps the edit position to the bottom >> of the mail, followed by your actual reply.) This battle was lost a >> decade ago, I'm afraid. > > > That doesn't sound right. Don't you want to see what you're replying to? Yes, I do. What I'm saying is that gmail makes it hard to do exactly that, never mind let me write where I want to. frank

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Please stop top posting... (was Re: Tell me about your workflow)

by Frank Shearar

On 17 December 2013 16:45, Chris Muller <asqueaker(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ah. I hadn't thought that many devs actually use the web UI for gmail, but >> perhaps they are :) > > > But that would defeat one of the primary purpose of using web email which is > access from any machine. > > Besides that, Gmail has the best UI, bar none. The handling of > Conversations is what sets it apart. That's a horrible indictment of all webmail clients, because gmail's mail editor is utter rubbish. You can't paste anything even vaguely indented (like, oh I don't know, snippets of Smalltalk) without it "helpfully" unindenting everything, it strongly discourages correct use of email (i.e., not top-posting). Its new UI is a great leap backwards compared to its older UI. But, you know, it's free, it's available from every machine I care to use, and it has the best search facility of any mail client I've ever used. (Worst ever searching: Outlook.) frank

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Phratch 1.0beta

by kilon alios

About the name, I was offering my personal opinion. In no way I am trying to persuade you to change the name. Unfortunately I am getting the exact same error in macos too, so this is not a windows only problem. By the way I am getting my latest pharo images via PharoLauncher, so I thought that was the reason for the error. So I downloaded from the pharo website pharo 3, again I see the same error. So to sum up because of the error I reported I cant use Phratch either on Windows or Macos with Pharo 3. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:21 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Oki :) > > [image: Images intÃ©grÃ©es 1] > > > 2013/12/17 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> > > With some blocks... >> >> >> >> --- >> Philippe Back >> Dramatic Performance Improvements >> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 >> Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu >> Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback >> Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos >> >> High Octane SPRL >> rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium >> >> Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ >> Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - >> http://spamcast.libsyn.com >> Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value >> Added Reseller >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:30 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Like this one ? >>> >>> >>> [image: Images intÃ©grÃ©es 1] >>> >>> >>> 2013/12/17 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> >>> >>>> Do you have a screenshot for an [ANN] on pharo.org? >>>> >>>> > >>>> >> Hi, >>>> >> >>>> >> I continue to develop Phratch, the port of Scratch in Pharo. >>>> >> Phratch is a visual programming language on top of Pharo. >>>> >> >>>> >> There are lots of new features: >>>> >> >>>> >> - Settings >>>> >> - FileSystems >>>> >> - Metacello >>>> >> - integration of BYOB (allows to build your own blocks) >>>> >> - integration of Color and Files >>>> >> - a lot of new useful blocks >>>> >> - projects saved with Fuel >>>> >> - possibility to implement new features without modifying the core >>>> of the system >>>> >> - possibility to customize the environment: add new categories, add >>>> new kinds of Sprite, add new blocks. >>>> >> >>>> >> Phratch is available for Pharo2.0 with the following configuration: >>>> >> â >>>> >> Gofer it >>>> >> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/JLaval/Phratch/main' >>>> >> username: '' >>>> >> password: ''; >>>> >> package: 'ConfigurationOfPhratch'; >>>> >> load. >>>> >> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPhratch) project version: '1.0') >>>> load. >>>> >> (Smalltalk at: #PhratchFrameMorph) open perform: >>>> #saveImageForEndUserSilently. >>>> >> â >>>> >> >>>> >> I hope to write documentations about all of the new features asap. >>>> >> You can follow Phratch here: >>>> >> http://car.mines-douai.fr/category/phratch/ >>>> >> and here : >>>> >> https://code.google.com/p/phratch/ >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheers, >>>> >> Jannik >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> >> >> > > > -- > > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >

Dec. 17, 2013