December 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] towards moose in the pharo ide (gtinspector / gtdebugger)

by Tudor Girba

Thank you, Alex. Doru On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>wrote: > I am quasi exclusively using the Moose image, which includes GTDebugger > and GTInspector. > These are two great tools. I use the standard Pharo 3.0 for particular > needs only. When I do this, it is like using Nautilus and coming back to OB > (or even the old standard browser). > > GTDebugger and GTInspector are great. I like them. > > Alexandre > > > On Dec 30, 2013, at 2:24 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Some of you asked how the GTInspector and GTDebugger are different from > the existing infrastructure. They are quite different from the norm in > that: they are tiny, and they are highly extensible. Here are some posts > that describe what makes them different: > > > > > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/the-moldable-gtinspector-deconstructe… > > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dissecting-the-gtinspector/ > > > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/extending-variables-shown-in-gtinspec… > > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/moldable-gtdebugger > > > > These tools are already the default development tools in the Moose > image. As you can see, Moose is reshaping the Pharo IDE. I think this is > exciting. > > > > This should be just the beginning. To make it better, we need your > energy: > > - Apply and extend these tools for your context (this is what makes them > unique). > > - Tell us what works and what does not work. > > - Ideally, start working with us on this topic. In particular, I am > looking for people that would like to spend some time working on Morphic > widgets. > > > > It's your turn now. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo3 issues

by Tudor Girba

I do not understand this reaction :( Doru On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > On 31 Dec 2013, at 11:58, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > I think this should not be a global preference at all. Most of the time, > you actually want to commit in the same repository where you always do. > Only from time to time do you need to switch and copy to another repo. So, > the preference should be per browser, not global. > > > consider that the issue was open since July. How likely is it that what > you describe will ever be done? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > >> >> On 30 Dec 2013, at 14:42, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >> >> > Marcus Denker-4 wrote >> >>> - In monticello browser: when I select my project, all the >> repositories >> >>> available in Pharo are shown. As in Pharo 2.0, it should show only the >> >>> concerned repositories (2 or 3 max). >> >>> >> >> Yes, this was made on purpose and there is an issue that questions if >> that >> >> idea was good: >> >> >> >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10551/All-Monticello-Repositories-are-add… >> >> (this issue is from July) >> > >> > I commented in the issue: >> > +1. I don't like this change at all. Would someone comment on whether >> there >> > is an unseen purpose or this is a bug? >> > >> >> I think we should set the default of the preference to be the opposite, >> then itâs fixed with no >> problems for those wanting the other behaviour. >> >> Marcus >> > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo3 issues

by Stephan Eggermont

Jannik wrote >- In a browser, when I did a change in the source code of a method, > then I select another method, the changes are lost, without asking if I want to save changes. Thanks Nicolai, for the fast results. I retested. Resolved, Fix to Include Stephan

Dec. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo3 issues

by Marcus Denker

On 31 Dec 2013, at 11:58, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > I think this should not be a global preference at all. Most of the time, you actually want to commit in the same repository where you always do. Only from time to time do you need to switch and copy to another repo. So, the preference should be per browser, not global. > consider that the issue was open since July. How likely is it that what you describe will ever be done? > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On 30 Dec 2013, at 14:42, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > > Marcus Denker-4 wrote > >>> - In monticello browser: when I select my project, all the repositories > >>> available in Pharo are shown. As in Pharo 2.0, it should show only the > >>> concerned repositories (2 or 3 max). > >>> > >> Yes, this was made on purpose and there is an issue that questions if that > >> idea was good: > >> > >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10551/All-Monticello-Repositories-are-add… > >> (this issue is from July) > > > > I commented in the issue: > > +1. I don't like this change at all. Would someone comment on whether there > > is an unseen purpose or this is a bug? > > > > I think we should set the default of the preference to be the opposite, then itâs fixed with no > problems for those wanting the other behaviour. > > Marcus > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo3 issues

by Tudor Girba

I think this should not be a global preference at all. Most of the time, you actually want to commit in the same repository where you always do. Only from time to time do you need to switch and copy to another repo. So, the preference should be per browser, not global. Cheers, Doru On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > On 30 Dec 2013, at 14:42, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > > Marcus Denker-4 wrote > >>> - In monticello browser: when I select my project, all the repositories > >>> available in Pharo are shown. As in Pharo 2.0, it should show only the > >>> concerned repositories (2 or 3 max). > >>> > >> Yes, this was made on purpose and there is an issue that questions if > that > >> idea was good: > >> > >> > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10551/All-Monticello-Repositories-are-add… > >> (this issue is from July) > > > > I commented in the issue: > > +1. I don't like this change at all. Would someone comment on whether > there > > is an unseen purpose or this is a bug? > > > > I think we should set the default of the preference to be the opposite, > then itâs fixed with no > problems for those wanting the other behaviour. > > Marcus > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo3 issues

by Marcus Denker

On 30 Dec 2013, at 13:54, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hi Nicolai, > > On 30 Dec 2013, at 13:26, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > >> for issue 12223 >> >> please revert the changes done for editing history in Nautilus. >> It makes more trouble than it helps. >> It is a nice feature, but it is implementation has too many side effects (discard changes on close, lose changes when jump through the >> history, history has a limit) >> If no one has the time to revert this, just give me a GO, and I'll do it :-) >> >> >> Nicolai > > Yes, I think that features has given us a lot of trouble already, I concur with your conclusion: revert. > > Another thing I have been wanting to say to you: I am very impressed and very happy to see you tackle so many diverse issues with so much energy. You really embody the âjust doItâ tagline. > > Thank you very much, I for one, appreciate it a lot ! > Indeed! I really enjoy your contributionsâ¦ amazing. Marcus

Dec. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo3 issues

by Marcus Denker

On 30 Dec 2013, at 14:42, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > Marcus Denker-4 wrote >>> - In monticello browser: when I select my project, all the repositories >>> available in Pharo are shown. As in Pharo 2.0, it should show only the >>> concerned repositories (2 or 3 max). >>> >> Yes, this was made on purpose and there is an issue that questions if that >> idea was good: >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10551/All-Monticello-Repositories-are-add… >> (this issue is from July) > > I commented in the issue: > +1. I don't like this change at all. Would someone comment on whether there > is an unseen purpose or this is a bug? > I think we should set the default of the preference to be the opposite, then itâs fixed with no problems for those wanting the other behaviour. Marcus

Dec. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] FogBugz status change

by Marcus Denker

On 31 Dec 2013, at 11:10, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > Am 30.12.2013 um 19:41 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > >> >>> If Linus Torvald is your model, then I quit Pharo :P >> >> I will tell you stories where democracy in open-source does not work in feb. >> > Between Linus Torvalds and a democrazy variant that leads only to stagnation is plenty of room for a model that fits best. > exactly. Marcus

Dec. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] FogBugz status change

by Esteban Lorenzano

On 31 Dec 2013, at 11:10, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > Am 30.12.2013 um 19:41 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > >> >>> If Linus Torvald is your model, then I quit Pharo :P >> >> I will tell you stories where democracy in open-source does not work in feb. >> > Between Linus Torvalds and a democrazy variant that leads only to stagnation is plenty of room for a model that fits best. the problem with linux is not the ruling model linux has, is Linus Torvalds attitude: He completely forgot about the âbenevolentâ word in âbenevolent dictatorshipâ :) Esteban > > Norbert > >

Dec. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] FogBugz status change

by Norbert Hartl

Am 30.12.2013 um 19:41 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > >> If Linus Torvald is your model, then I quit Pharo :P > > I will tell you stories where democracy in open-source does not work in feb. > Between Linus Torvalds and a democrazy variant that leads only to stagnation is plenty of room for a model that fits best. Norbert

Dec. 31, 2013