November 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Second Coming of Java article

by Marcus Denker

On 26 Nov 2013, at 11:41, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Anything preventing Pharo and VisualWorks for using the technology also? >>> >> Short answer: Time and money. >> The way we did it requires significant changes to the virtual machine >> (as we believe this is the only way to get a decent performance). Indeed, if >> somebody going to pay for it, everything's possible ;-) > > You should try to ask ESUG about financial support. > I do not think that he talks about this kind of money. But MONEY. Marcus

Nov. 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Second Coming of Java article

by Jan Vrany

On 26/11/13 10:40, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Jan Vrany <jan.vrany(a)fit.cvut.cz> wrote: >> On 26/11/13 03:28, askoh wrote: >>> >>> Bravo Jan and your collaborators. You have done it. >> >> >> Thanks. >> >>> >>> Anything preventing STX:LIBJAVA from being used in production >>> environments? >> >> >> Good question. STX:LIBJAVA is still a research phase. However, if everything >> goes fine, we might have first project using it for real >> in couple months. >> > > What is important is also the licence. Do you use an open-source licence ? Strictly speaking - no. For various, historical reasons. The Smalltalk part STX:LIBJAVA support code is available under the same terms as Smalltalk/X itself [1]. The code of the VM is not publicly available for various reasons, though it is possible to get an access. Ask Claus Gittinger if you're interested in details. > >>> Anything preventing Pharo and VisualWorks for using the technology also? >>> >> Short answer: Time and money. >> The way we did it requires significant changes to the virtual machine >> (as we believe this is the only way to get a decent performance). Indeed, if >> somebody going to pay for it, everything's possible ;-) > > You should try to ask ESUG about financial support. > Maybe I should. But frankly - how many people in this community are like "That would be great, I need this feature!" Raise hands. :-) Cheers, Jan [1] http://www.exept.de/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/stx/README?view=markup

Nov. 26, 2013

2 month Pharo break

by Camillo Bruni

Hi guys, I will cease my pharo activities for the next two months since I have to finish my thesis and I see myself too often "distracted" by pharo (consider this a good thing :). Of course I will remain available for emergency activities or any other urgent inquiries, please contact me directly in these cases. see you on the other side!

Nov. 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Second Coming of Java article

by Serge Stinckwich

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Jan Vrany <jan.vrany(a)fit.cvut.cz> wrote: > On 26/11/13 03:28, askoh wrote: >> >> Bravo Jan and your collaborators. You have done it. > > > Thanks. > >> >> Anything preventing STX:LIBJAVA from being used in production >> environments? > > > Good question. STX:LIBJAVA is still a research phase. However, if everything > goes fine, we might have first project using it for real > in couple months. > What is important is also the licence. Do you use an open-source licence ? >> Anything preventing Pharo and VisualWorks for using the technology also? >> > Short answer: Time and money. > The way we did it requires significant changes to the virtual machine > (as we believe this is the only way to get a decent performance). Indeed, if > somebody going to pay for it, everything's possible ;-) You should try to ask ESUG about financial support. Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Nov. 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Second Coming of Java article

by Jan Vrany

On 26/11/13 03:28, askoh wrote: > Bravo Jan and your collaborators. You have done it. Thanks. > > Anything preventing STX:LIBJAVA from being used in production environments? Good question. STX:LIBJAVA is still a research phase. However, if everything goes fine, we might have first project using it for real in couple months. > Anything preventing Pharo and VisualWorks for using the technology also? > Short answer: Time and money. The way we did it requires significant changes to the virtual machine (as we believe this is the only way to get a decent performance). Indeed, if somebody going to pay for it, everything's possible ;-) > Any plans to do the same for C# DotNET? No, unless we get substantial funding for yet another project :-) Now I thing it would be better to continue discussing STX:LIBJAVA in its mailing list [1] rather than here. So I encourage everyone who's interested to move and continue there. [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/stxlibjava-dev > > All the best, > Aik-Siong Koh > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Second-Coming-of-Java-article-tp4724932p4725246.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Nov. 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Nautilus no longer guards against changed methods

by Stephan Eggermont

Chris wrote: >Sean wrote: >> In general in UIs, he best approach is to do what the user requests without >> hesitation, and make everything undoable. > >Ah, thanks for saying that. People need to be reminded. I think the >tablet craze has lurched the world back into modal UI's being "okâ. I donât find modal UIâs ok, but this non-modal UIs is worse. It is a mess that is not going to get better by patching up and needs to be reverted. Stephan

Nov. 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Second Coming of Java article

by kilon alios

ROFL thank you Marcus I needed a good laugh. I have watched this before, but as always completely forgot about it. I think its great when people don't take coding so seriously and have fun with it. I agree also that no pharoer would be against Java coming to pharo , the problem is who is going to do it. There so many great ideas out there, but actually doing the work is both hard and time consuming. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > > > But the problem is that the *semantics* are still that of Smalltalk, and > itâs completely not clear for the programmer where the similarity ends. > > > > If you want to have âI can type in examples from my ruby bookâ > compatibility, you need to implement the real semantics, which in many cases > > means to re-implement the VM of that other language (in a very slow > version) on top of your VM which does not really have the properties to > > support those semantics. > > > Just imagine things like that... > > https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat > > :-) > > Marcus > > >

Nov. 26, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] about miniimage

by Pavel Krivanek

We have a small REPL image for Pharo 2.0 https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Pharo-Kernel-2.0/job/PharoKerne… It uses this code: https://gitorious.org/pharo-build/pharo-build/source/16a7598f75c46e6a12e2f4… -- Pavel 2013/11/26 Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> > Hi Guillermo, Hi Stef, > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Guillermo Polito < > guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 5:09 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >>> >>>> From the practical point of view, it's always faster to remove. >>>> something than to load something. And it's much faster to unload it without >>>> Monticello. So I would use ugly removeAllButPackages: because it's fast, >>>> then fix the problems like obsolete classes an Undeclared, continue with >>>> the pretty unloding part of the configuration and finally loading part will >>>> be easy. >>>> >>> >>> Tangentially can anyone point me to a headless image with a REPL for use >>> in testing Spur? >>> >>> >>> Guillermo has several bootstrapped and minimal images. >>> I tried to find them but I could not >>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/Bootstrap/ >>> >>> Guillermo? Is now on holidays. >>> >> >> Yes, but coding when not seeing family :) >> >> https://ci.inria.fr/rmod/view/Oz/ >> >> Right now I kind of broke everything... But what we have are mini images >> that just have an entry point method and quits. No repl cause they don't >> have even a compiler. >> > > As soon as you have something with a REPL in it I'd be interested. Please > let me know. > > Thanks > > and thanks for looking around Stef. > > >> >> >>> I will look around. >>> Stef >>> >> >> > > > -- > best, > Eliot >

Nov. 26, 2013

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/30597 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Nov. 26, 2013

[pharo-project/pharo-core] f41e7d: 30597

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Nov. 26, 2013