November 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] PharoV20.source

by Camille Teruel

On 12 nov. 2013, at 23:54, ClÃ©ment Bera <bera.clement(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Currently the idea is to put the source file as a compressed AST in the image. > > The status is: > - standard AST is 300Mb for the whole image, which is too much > - standard AST with nodes shared between RBMethodNodes (made by Camille) is 16Mb, so already half the size of the current source In fact 16 Mb is a lucky guess too. It currently takes 13Mb without indentation and comments. > - same as last one but with additional bit compression: not done yet ! It should be around 4Mb (but that's a lucky guess), growing the size of the image from 16Mb to 20Mb, which is okay. Pablo is currently working on AST compression. We could use Huffman coding or something else. Anyway, even if at the end it takes more memory than the current source file, we should not forget that having persistant ASTs that you can freely annotate brings far more than compression, it opens *many* doors :) The annotations on the nodes would take memory too. Well, at least for the annotation one wants to be persistant. Even with compression, storing all the annotations one would want to have would take too much memory. Imagine that you want to stores additional comments and discussions (instead of "self flag:" everywhere), statistics like code coverage, about which class a variable had across different executions, type annotations for many different kind of type systems (and remember its annotations, not intrusive, no syntax change, pluggable)... That's why I want to have repositories for storing node annotations across network. Like this we would have a compressed AST format in the image (called Bonsai) and a mechanism for storing and sharing node annotations on repositories (project's name: Baobab) > The source file should not be in the VM. One image can use only 1 source file, but 1 VM can run several images using different source files. Therefore you would need to add multiple source files in the VM, which ends up nowhere. > > > > 2013/11/12 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > you want as less as possible thing in the vm. > > Stef > > On Nov 12, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > Why not to include this file in the VM? > > It often happens to me that this place is wrongly placed. When this happens, Pharo just shows a white screen, without letting what is the error. > > > > Alexandre > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > >

Nov. 13, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] multiple files in pillar

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Nov 13, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:18 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> >> At the moment, Pillar assumes that one file is one chapter. When generating PDF, an index .tex file is required to construct the overall book with table of contents and others such elements. >> >> As far as I see, in HTML, there is no possibility of generating this >> >> Is there a plan to extend Pillar to support a book with multiple files? > > this was not plan but we could > Now if someone needs that he should have a look and help > > Ok. > >> What about references? I saw somewhere that there existed an intention of supporting references, but I did not see an example yet. > > do you mean ref{} or cite{} > > I mean cite{} > > We want to add a kind of generic tagging so that we can express > cite{} > comment{} > â¦ > > Interesting. I would be very interested in that. me too :) so if you have an idea of the syntax @cite@value@ > >> Are they supported? > > I do not think so right now. > > Ok. > > Doru > >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

Nov. 13, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] petit parser repository

by Norbert Hartl

Am 12.11.2013 um 13:53 schrieb Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl>: > Just try with .44 > Thanks very much Stephan, looks pretty good for me. Norbert

Nov. 13, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] multiple files in pillar

by Tudor Girba

Hi, On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:18 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > >> At the moment, Pillar assumes that one file is one chapter. When >> generating PDF, an index .tex file is required to construct the overall >> book with table of contents and others such elements. >> >> As far as I see, in HTML, there is no possibility of generating this >> >> Is there a plan to extend Pillar to support a book with multiple files? >> > > this was not plan but we could > Now if someone needs that he should have a look and help > Ok. What about references? I saw somewhere that there existed an intention of >> supporting references, but I did not see an example yet. >> > > do you mean ref{} or cite{} > I mean cite{} > We want to add a kind of generic tagging so that we can express > cite{} > comment{} > â¦ > Interesting. I would be very interested in that. > Are they supported? >> > > I do not think so right now. > Ok. Doru > >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Nov. 13, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] multiple files in pillar

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > At the moment, Pillar assumes that one file is one chapter. When generating PDF, an index .tex file is required to construct the overall book with table of contents and others such elements. > > As far as I see, in HTML, there is no possibility of generating this > > Is there a plan to extend Pillar to support a book with multiple files? this was not plan but we could Now if someone needs that he should have a look and help > What about references? I saw somewhere that there existed an intention of supporting references, but I did not see an example yet. do you mean ref{} or cite{} We want to add a kind of generic tagging so that we can express cite{} comment{} â¦ > Are they supported? I do not think so right now. > > Cheers, > Doru > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

Nov. 13, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] smalltalkhub.com down

by Norbert Hartl

Am 13.11.2013 um 10:59 schrieb phil(a)highoctane.be: > What would be cool is to have a kind of static mirror for all the mcz's so that we can go there in case of trouble. > I didnât look at the architecture of smalltalkhub. I only know everything is put into mongo and I can imagine the rationale behind it. Nevertheless putting it into mongo can happen in different ways. Using GridFS would be a good way storing plain files in the DB with the opportunity to cluster the GridFS over multiple hosts. Additionally there are modules for apache and nginx to access GridFS inside mongo. So even if the pharo image dies or something similar the files would be still accessible. Norbert > > > --- > Philippe Back > Dramatic Performance Improvements > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 > Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu > Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback > Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium > > Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ > Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com > Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller > > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm working on a new release of smalltalkhub. I will also check what is > making it crash and monitor the website. > > I think I will also move the service to Inria infrastructure in the > short future. > > Cheers, > Nico > > Mariano Martinez Peck writes: > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > >> +1 > >> I was chatting today with nico and he told me that he is working on a new > >> release > >> and that he really wants to understand what brings the instability and he > >> is preparing some crash tests. > >> But we are the crash tests. > >> > >> > > Ahhh ok, then I shut up :) > > > > > > > > > >> Stef > >> > >> Cannot we simply run monit in the server? It is insane to wait someone to > >> restart it manually.... > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Nicolas Cellier < > >> nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/smalltalkhub.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mariano > >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >> > >> > >> > > > -- > Nicolas Petton > http://nicolas-petton.fr > >

Nov. 13, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] smalltalkhub.com down

by phil＠highoctane.be

What would be cool is to have a kind of static mirror for all the mcz's so that we can go there in case of trouble. --- Philippe Back Dramatic Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm working on a new release of smalltalkhub. I will also check what is > making it crash and monitor the website. > > I think I will also move the service to Inria infrastructure in the > short future. > > Cheers, > Nico > > Mariano Martinez Peck writes: > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > >> +1 > >> I was chatting today with nico and he told me that he is working on a > new > >> release > >> and that he really wants to understand what brings the instability and > he > >> is preparing some crash tests. > >> But we are the crash tests. > >> > >> > > Ahhh ok, then I shut up :) > > > > > > > > > >> Stef > >> > >> Cannot we simply run monit in the server? It is insane to wait someone > to > >> restart it manually.... > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Nicolas Cellier < > >> nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/smalltalkhub.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mariano > >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >> > >> > >> > > > -- > Nicolas Petton > http://nicolas-petton.fr > >

Nov. 13, 2013

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/30569 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Nov. 13, 2013

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 5061af: 30569

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Branch: refs/heads/3.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 5061afcc6b94bf49966bc30282409e08a25b4912 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/5061afcc6b94bf49966bc302… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2013-11-13 (Wed, 13 Nov 2013) Changed paths: A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script225.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update30569.st M ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st M Spec-Core.package/ComposableModel.class/instance/private-focus/takeKeyboardFocus.st M Spec-Inspector.package/EyeTreeInspector.class/instance/accessing/tree.st M Spec-PolyWidgets.package/SearchableTree.class/instance/protocol/roots_.st Log Message: ----------- 30569 11782 SearchableTree not working https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11782 12132 MNU: TreeNodeModel>>#item https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12132 http://files.pharo.org/image/30/30569.zip

Nov. 13, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] smalltalkhub.com down

by Nicolas Petton

Hi guys, I'm working on a new release of smalltalkhub. I will also check what is making it crash and monitor the website. I think I will also move the service to Inria infrastructure in the short future. Cheers, Nico Mariano Martinez Peck writes: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> +1 >> I was chatting today with nico and he told me that he is working on a new >> release >> and that he really wants to understand what brings the instability and he >> is preparing some crash tests. >> But we are the crash tests. >> >> > Ahhh ok, then I shut up :) > > > > >> Stef >> >> Cannot we simply run monit in the server? It is insane to wait someone to >> restart it manually.... >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Nicolas Cellier < >> nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/smalltalkhub.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> >> -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr

Nov. 13, 2013