October 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] default monospaced code font

by Goubier Thierry

Le 15/10/2013 16:36, kilon a Ã©crit : > you should be , 3d apps are by very far the most innovative software out > there and their technology is evolving so fast artists barely can keep up. > > The challanges that GUIs have to face are just pure insane, the level of > complexity just overwhelming because of thousands of features that > constantly are dependent on each other. To be put it short, 3d apps are GUI > coder worst nightmare. Yes, this is my opinion from looking at it far away. Not sure it came out that way... Very complex software for power users in their own group. Similar to, in my mind, hardware synthesis people (VHDL, SystemC, FPGA developpers) and probably the EDA people. > 3d app are for very hard to use for users , power users , coders , amateur > artists , traditional pro artist. They don't care about any of them. They > focus on a single group , 3d artists. This is why you will rarely find any > serious 3d app sacrificing complexity of the gui for luring in other groups. > They are nuclear weapons meant to be used by people that have high depends > and want to do million different things with them. Yes, that was my point. > The only exception is Scetchup. But even that is not used by 3d artists as > much as regular users. > > Blender belongs to the mediocre examples of GUI design for 3d app, best > implementation by far being Softimage XSI. That program is a seminar how > very complex GUIs should be done. > > Music apps also have the tendency of large complexity with very solid GUI > Designs, an example is Ableton Live. Thanks. I'll keep your references in mind. Have you looked into the end user programming mouvement? One way to tackle complexity at the GUI level there is to go back to one of the old ideas of the HCI field, which is : the GUI is a language, and think about ways to program the GUI. There is some work in what makes an easy language. Now, to go back to the original thread: do we want to dumb down the interface or do we want to keep it complex? Nautilus, for me, is 'we want to keep it complex' 'a la Blender' :):) Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Oct. 16, 2013

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Oct. 16, 2013

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 87e6d5: 30489

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Branch: refs/heads/3.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 87e6d5ecc7060c197a139bdc586edf9678632507 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/87e6d5ecc7060c197a139bdc… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2013-10-16 (Wed, 16 Oct 2013) Changed paths: A Deprecated30.package/MailSender.class/README.md A Deprecated30.package/MailSender.class/class/deprecated/isSmtpServerSet.st A Deprecated30.package/MailSender.class/class/deprecated/sendMessage_.st A Deprecated30.package/MailSender.class/class/deprecated/setSmtpServer.st A Deprecated30.package/MailSender.class/class/deprecated/setSmtpServer_.st A Deprecated30.package/MailSender.class/class/deprecated/setUserName.st A Deprecated30.package/MailSender.class/class/deprecated/smtpServer.st A Deprecated30.package/MailSender.class/class/deprecated/userName.st A Deprecated30.package/MailSender.class/definition.st A Deprecated30.package/extension/DialogWindowModel/instance/toolbar.st M Metacello-Core-Model.package/MetacelloPlatform.class/instance/github support/fileDirectoryClass.st M Metacello-Core-Model.package/MetacelloPlatform.class/instance/system/suspendSystemUpdateEventsDuring_.st R Metacello-MC.package/extension/MCVersionLoader/instance/versions.st M Metacello-PharoCommonPlatform.package/MetacelloPharoCommonPlatform.class/instance/github support/downloadFile_to_.st A Monticello-Loading.package/MCVersionLoader.class/instance/accessing/versions.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script144.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update30489.st M ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st R Spec-Core-Widgets.package/DialogWindowModel.class/instance/protocol/toolbar.st Log Message: ----------- 30489 11893 move MCVersionLoader>>#versions https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11893 11898 Move DialogWindowModel deprecated methods to Deprecated30 package https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11886 11810 undeclared MailSender https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11810 11881 Metacello references non-existing classes FileDirectory SystemChangeNotifier and OSProcess https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11881 http://files.pharo.org/image/30/30489.zip

Oct. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] https://pharo.fogbugz.com ??

by Marcus Denker

On Oct 15, 2013, at 11:55 AM, nicolas petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi! > > I could give you access to the image and seaside panel. Would that be enough? Else we could move the website somewhere else. > Yes! I want to check how to fix the . problem in the registering > Nico > > On Oct 15, 2013 8:30 AM, "Marcus Denker" <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Oct 15, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > The full description should be up here: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?pre=preLogOff > > > > I wish I could update the bugs.pharo.org website :/ > > > > Yes, we need to make this website deployed in a way that it is fixable by anyoneâ¦ there are some > things that need to be done that have not been done in Months. > > Marcus >

Oct. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] default monospaced code font

by Igor Stasenko

Amen, brother :) On 15 October 2013 17:43, Jimmie Houchin <jlhouchin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 10/15/2013 7:46 AM, Camillo Bruni wrote: > >> processing.org uses monospaced font, these are the art guys that have >> more sense graphics >> than any one this mailinglist (BTW, how many of you have visited an art >> school?) >> >> Besides Smalltalk, I don't know any other language that would use >> proportial fonts. >> >> After that, anybody who really knows how to use Pharo can modify it. >> The newcomer is the only one you target... >> > > Regarding Art School. No I haven't but my father-in-law did, one of my > daughters is. Regardless, it doesn't matter. Not that either do fonts. > > Has anybody involved with vim or emacs been to art school? > Two of the most used and fought over editors out there and they are as > ugly as ... Yet their ugliness doesn't deter their advocates. Why? Because > their advocates find value in what you can do with them. > > I am very much in the proportional camp. I spend my day typing, and > writing in proportional fonts. > > One of the nice things about Smalltalk and any higher level language in > theory is that it brings you somewhat closer to natural language. And in > general most things we do in our natural languages is in a proportional > font. And no, I don't believe we need a cognitive indicator which tells our > brain that this is different. We are writing software not an article. > > Once upon a time all or almost everything done on a computer was in a > monospace font. Regardless as to whether or not it was writing software or > writing a novel. > > People who like monospace often prefer underscores and not camelCase. They > also like 79 character line breaks and all other sorts of conventions > created due to the environment they operate in. > > Other languages do not have fonts. They generally do not have editors. > They are quite different from the Smalltalk experience. We should not > impose their constraints into our environment. Users of those languages > choose editors. Users of those editors choose fonts. The language itself > imposes no such constraints or opinions outside of community convention. > > We do not operate in any of those environments. We should not feel > compelled to impose any of those constraints. > > Yes, I agree. We should not be different for different sake. > But, I find value in proportional fonts. Let me repeat that, I find value > in the proportional font. Therefore I do not believe that using a > proportional font is being different just to be different. > > I and most people who are not explicitly placing themselves in this > context, coding, find them to be more readable. Are magazines, newspapers, > books, websites mainly in monospace? Most of what we read is proportional > for a reason. > > Yes, anybody can change their personal use of the system and choose > monospace or proportional. There is great value in establishing a good > community standard for the image. Not necessarily a standard that is > catering to beginners current comforts. But one that is a good community > default. A default which experienced Smalltalkers find productive. Then > provide good learning tools to enable beginners to be on a path of > increasing productivity. A beginner will often stay with what they start > with for a very long time. So if our initial image is one that caters to > beginners, then they may live their a very long time. And not to their > betterment. > > I think we should be comfortable with and embrace who we > (Smalltalkers/Pharo) are. Not seek to change unnecessarily to conform to a > different standard which was established based upon different criteria and > constraints which do not apply to us. > > I personally do not understand how so many people find Smalltalk to be > uncomfortable or difficult. I am far from a pro Smalltalker. But I find > nothing else to be as comfortable and productive as Smalltalk/Pharo. > > My only thoughts is that everybody thinks in different ways. People are > drawn to languages work like they think. And for some people Smalltalk > isn't it. I know I find many languages out there to be less than pleasant > and ugly no matter what font they use. :) > > Just my opinions. > > Thanks. > > Jimmie > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] [ann] system attraction view

by Serge Stinckwich

On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I built a new visualization that has two goals: > > 1. show how the architecture of a system is fluid rather than rigid. > 2. look good and serve as advertisement device for Moose, Roassal and Pharo. > > A description of mainly point 1. can be found here: > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/system-attraction/ > > I already used it as a splash screen for a couple of presentations, and it > catches the eye. > > The code can be found in Moose, in a separate tiny FAMIXSystemAttraction > class. You can invoke it on any class group (note: it can take a long time > to render for large groups). I try to render the system attraction visualization. Nice work ! But very slow even on small examples ... Do you use a magic trick to enhance the performance ? Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Oct. 16, 2013

[update 3.0] #30488

by Marcus Denker

Oct. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText status (was Re: bug: [4993] Typing cmd+L cancel all typing and we can't undo it [Terminated] )

by Denis Kudriashov

Undo framework? Where to see it? what the package name? 2013/10/16 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > please note that the re is a little undo frameworks made by alain plantec > in the image. > I think that phil is refeergin to paragraph and textEditor not undo/redo > Stef > > On Oct 16, 2013, at 4:02 AM, btc(a)openInWorld.com wrote: > > I guess Phil is referring to the difficulties of the current undo > mechanism, which you've already discovered. > One of the problems with web interfaces to a mailling-list is sometimes > losing context. (I'm using Thunderbird 2.0 and it doesn't do threads.) > > btw, What is the plan/schdule for TxText integration into Pharo mainline? > > cheers -ben > > > > kilon wrote: > > philippeback wrote > > > Don't enter that if you aren't ready to invest a couple of weeks. > TxText will change it all anyway. > > Disclaimer: I spent the couple of weeks. > > Phil > > > Sorry don't understand what you mean . Are you referring to me ? Enter what > ? > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/bug-4993-Typing-cmd-L-cancel-all-typing-and-we-can-t-… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > >

Oct. 16, 2013

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/30488 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Oct. 16, 2013

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 7a97b0: 30488

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Sorted methods in FileContentsBrowser https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11896 11892 Small critic cleanup of Tools https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11892 11897 Move KMRepository deprecated methods to Deprecated30 package https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11897 11885 Inspector double click not working https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11885 http://files.pharo.org/image/30/30488.zip

Oct. 16, 2013