October 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] i wish i could live in a world...

by David T. Lewis

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 03:00:54AM +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote: > where morphs has position relative to their owner morph. > and laying out morphs or composing them into complex layout easy > and event handling is easy .. > and things are properly documented > :) > I'm not sure where this project stands, but Juan is working with coordinate systems for a morphic replacement. For clarity of code and documentation, his work is second to none. I think that if the two of you ever did some collaborative development, the results might be scary good :-) http://www.jvuletich.org/Morphic3/Morphic3-200911.html Dave

Oct. 23, 2013

i wish i could live in a world...

by Igor Stasenko

where morphs has position relative to their owner morph. and laying out morphs or composing them into complex layout easy and event handling is easy .. and things are properly documented :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Error-eating troll

by Igor Stasenko

ok. problem solved.. it is because my override triggers flushing full bounds to nil.. :) On 23 October 2013 01:10, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > oh wait, apparently i am wrong.. > now i even more confused, why my morph fails to compute bounds at the > beginning :) > > > On 23 October 2013 01:07, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I got quite confused, why i got error in strange place, >> the culprit is this one: >> >> >> computeFullBounds >> [ self doLayoutIn: self layoutBounds ] >> on: Error >> do: [ :ex | >> "This should do it unless you don't screw up the bounds" >> fullBounds := bounds. >> ex pass ] >> >> used by this: >> >> fullBounds >> "Return the bounding box of the receiver and all its children. >> Recompute the layout if necessary." >> >> fullBounds ifNotNil: [ ^ fullBounds ]. "Errors at this point can >> be critical so make sure we catch 'em all right" >> self computeFullBounds. "This should do it unless you don't screw >> up the bounds" >> ^ fullBounds >> >> So, if error happens, it leaves fullBounds==nil and as result, >> any code which follows, tries to do something with that nil.. >> Sure thing it is much more fun figuring out why your morph is broken >> and where, when such nasty code hides errors. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Error-eating troll

by Igor Stasenko

oh wait, apparently i am wrong.. now i even more confused, why my morph fails to compute bounds at the beginning :) On 23 October 2013 01:07, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I got quite confused, why i got error in strange place, > the culprit is this one: > > > computeFullBounds > [ self doLayoutIn: self layoutBounds ] > on: Error > do: [ :ex | > "This should do it unless you don't screw up the bounds" > fullBounds := bounds. > ex pass ] > > used by this: > > fullBounds > "Return the bounding box of the receiver and all its children. > Recompute the layout if necessary." > > fullBounds ifNotNil: [ ^ fullBounds ]. "Errors at this point can be > critical so make sure we catch 'em all right" > self computeFullBounds. "This should do it unless you don't screw > up the bounds" > ^ fullBounds > > So, if error happens, it leaves fullBounds==nil and as result, > any code which follows, tries to do something with that nil.. > Sure thing it is much more fun figuring out why your morph is broken > and where, when such nasty code hides errors. > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 22, 2013

Error-eating troll

by Igor Stasenko

I got quite confused, why i got error in strange place, the culprit is this one: computeFullBounds [ self doLayoutIn: self layoutBounds ] on: Error do: [ :ex | "This should do it unless you don't screw up the bounds" fullBounds := bounds. ex pass ] used by this: fullBounds "Return the bounding box of the receiver and all its children. Recompute the layout if necessary." fullBounds ifNotNil: [ ^ fullBounds ]. "Errors at this point can be critical so make sure we catch 'em all right" self computeFullBounds. "This should do it unless you don't screw up the bounds" ^ fullBounds So, if error happens, it leaves fullBounds==nil and as result, any code which follows, tries to do something with that nil.. Sure thing it is much more fun figuring out why your morph is broken and where, when such nasty code hides errors. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-project.org success stories link to be revised a bit...

by phil＠highoctane.be

Get the logo from the forge and make you one at Wordans.be. Then wait 12 days for the shipping to occur. Get the 3 for 2 promocode, and you'll get 3 T-Shirts for the price of 2. The other way is coming over to pick it up along with a beer :-) Phil On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>wrote: > Nice, nice, nice ! > Of course the next question is: how can I get one ? > > On 22 Oct 2013, at 23:12, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > > > You asketh, I giveth. > > <2013-10-22 11.20.36-1.jpg> > > > > --- > > Philippe Back > > Dramatic Performance Improvements > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 > > Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu > > Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback > > Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos > > > > High Octane SPRL > > rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium > > > > Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ > > Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - > http://spamcast.libsyn.com > > Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value > Added Reseller > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > > > > On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:37, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> > wrote: > > > > > (Out of band, I got my Pharo T-Shirts today - Pharo Hi-Res full color > logo + pharo-project.org, they look sweet). > > > > Post a photograph, please ;-) > > > > >

Oct. 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-project.org success stories link to be revised a bit...

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Nice, nice, nice ! Of course the next question is: how can I get one ? On 22 Oct 2013, at 23:12, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > You asketh, I giveth. > <2013-10-22 11.20.36-1.jpg> > > --- > Philippe Back > Dramatic Performance Improvements > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 > Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu > Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback > Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium > > Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ > Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com > Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller > > > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:37, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > > > (Out of band, I got my Pharo T-Shirts today - Pharo Hi-Res full color logo + pharo-project.org, they look sweet). > > Post a photograph, please ;-) >

Oct. 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-project.org success stories link to be revised a bit...

by phil＠highoctane.be

You asketh, I giveth. [image: Inline image 1] --- Philippe Back Dramatic Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>wrote: > > On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:37, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > > > (Out of band, I got my Pharo T-Shirts today - Pharo Hi-Res full color > logo + pharo-project.org, they look sweet). > > Post a photograph, please ;-) >

Oct. 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-project.org success stories link to be revised a bit...

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:37, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > (Out of band, I got my Pharo T-Shirts today - Pharo Hi-Res full color logo + pharo-project.org, they look sweet). Post a photograph, please ;-)

Oct. 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-project.org success stories link to be revised a bit...

by phil＠highoctane.be

Give me writing rights and I can fix what can be done. I want this to be successful anyway. (Out of band, I got my Pharo T-Shirts today - Pharo Hi-Res full color logo + pharo-project.org, they look sweet). Guess I'll wear that at the next Coentrepreneur Week end where I am one of the coaches http://weekend.coentrepreneurs.be/ We may want to create a marketing project in Fogbugz and put some actions in there. And we should do PharoFests (like http://tiki.org/TikiFest - isn't that cool?) Tiki is another Doocracy. One side I did with that tech: http://www.socius.be - Testimonial http://philippeback.eu/tiki-index.php?page=TikiWikiConsulting I want the same with Pharo stuff. In order to pick from best practices: https://tiki.org/Communications+Team(I am in there). Next sprint in Lille, let's do podcasts and video interviews of people. That would be terrific. Figure out: Ben on Spec, Markus on Opal, ClÃ©ment on VM, .... Versioneer, Stef on whatever (e.g. Translucent Color replacement), Guille on Oz, Martin on the fix process, you name it. Among activities: push for the system, vote for it, get it listed etc. Translated into solid EUR at the end of the day. Also, FOSDEM nearing, I suggest we start high impact initiatives to be undertaken so that we can create momentum. I am okay with leading that kind of charge. You tell me. Phil On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Thanks Phil for bringing this issue up. > > I do not have much time to devote to this right now, but perhaps others > can help. > > Doru > > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:40 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>wrote: > >> As Doru mentioned, marketing of Pharo should be improved to get more >> traction. >> >> Now, on http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories >> >> a serious bunch of links are not working, point to projects that are >> abandoning Smalltalk for Javascript (Language of Languages) - link goes to >> a page saying so -- bad karma. >> >> Even Esteban's Lawsuit Tracker is not the right URL (right one is * >> http://smallworks.com.ar/web/projects/lawsuitTracker)*. >> >> Looks like other projects are not there anymore, click on the links for >> issys or Ilon SA and end up waiting with nothing showing up. >> >> 2denker's http://taskfor.us/ is dead: 404 >> >> >> So, some fixing needed. >> >> Are there new things in progress? I guess that QCMagritte guys could show >> us something sexy. >> >> I am currently working on a new thing but it is too early to show. >> Anyway, who has web apps not listed should give a link and a screenshot or >> two. >> >> Phil >> >> > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

Oct. 22, 2013