October 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Losing instance variable addition

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Oct 30, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think there's something to fix. > You cannot 'extend' classes belonging to other package in any other way > than adding extension methods. Exact this was my conclusion too. > Allowing extension of ivars or any other vars by foreign package > is road to nowhere. > > I would not like if shape of my kernel classes depends on what packages i load > or in what order i loaded them. > To me it is clear that if one needs to add/remove/modify instance variables > of some class, those changes should belong to the package containing that class, > not some random package. If that would be that simple :) The case of Gisela is that her tool should extend AST node. Stef

Oct. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] another talk online: Pharo: Objects At Your Fingertips

by btc＠openinworld.com

Marcus Denker wrote: > The idea of this talk is to give an intro for someone who know OO but not Pharo (or Smalltalk). > (this means for someone who does it has noting new) > > Pharo: Objects At Your Fingertips > A talk given at Universitat PolitÃ¨cnica de Catalunya on Oct 30, 2013. > > SlideShare: http://www.slideshare.net/MarcusDenker/pharo-objects-at-your-fingertips > PDF: http://marcusdenker.de/talks/13BarcelonaTalk/PharoObjectsAtYourFingertips.p… > Video: http://media.fib.upc.edu/fibtv/streamingmedia/view/2/821 > > This sounds very cool... "Make the Image a first class concept in the language" I can't quite pin down my thoughts, but it my intuition senses great potential for things like separating security domains for multi users in web-hosting environments. cheers -ben

Oct. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg

by Camillo Bruni

> here is the pier syntax do you tell me that this is difficult to learn? > > ! header > !! > !!! > > list > - > # > > ref > * * > > [[[ code > ]]] > > ==code== And what was added for Gutemberg?

Oct. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] another talk online: Pharo: Objects At Your Fingertips

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

marcus did you save it in the PharoPresentation svn folder? On Oct 31, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > The idea of this talk is to give an intro for someone who know OO but not Pharo (or Smalltalk). > (this means for someone who does it has noting new) > > Pharo: Objects At Your Fingertips > A talk given at Universitat PolitÃ¨cnica de Catalunya on Oct 30, 2013. > > SlideShare: http://www.slideshare.net/MarcusDenker/pharo-objects-at-your-fingertips > PDF: http://marcusdenker.de/talks/13BarcelonaTalk/PharoObjectsAtYourFingertips.p… > Video: http://media.fib.upc.edu/fibtv/streamingmedia/view/2/821

Oct. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] How to create lines with Athens

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Oct 31, 2013, at 9:55 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > yes I am aware of the examples already, I am learning from them. Please note I have found a bug with Athens, which looks to me pretty major. If I save a morph using Athens what do you mean save a morph > and reload the image, what do you mean? > I see the red box of doom. For example trying your example from stackoverflow. Are you aware of this bug ? > > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:43 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ah, yes , there's also examples in > Athens-Examples package. > > > On 31 October 2013 01:30, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 30 October 2013 23:02, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > well I just asked if there is any kind of Documentation about Athens . Or should I just read the code and ask questions ? > > > the main source of documentation right now is class comments > and tutorial. > I've spent quite of a time commenting the central classes of athens, > hope that's helpful. > Of course this does not replacement for a well written docu, and that needs to be done. > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > i hope you satisfied with my answer. > you welcome to ask more, if you not :) > > > On 30 October 2013 22:32, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19694197/how-to-create-lines-with-athens > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

Oct. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>>>> >>> >>> I have nothing against pier syntax. But imagine person coming from outside, who used markdown to ask questions on stack overflow and write readmes on github, and here he has to use a different syntax for the same purpose. Just a thought about bringing new people into a community :) >> >> with the same attitute, why do you do smalltalk when there is JS? > > I donât see what is new in Pier. I do not get what something would have to be new in pier. It just WORKS for what it was built and before markdown came alone. OK the world is going to use makrdown until a guy in power will be feed up and add an extension to github and the world will be happy and cry of joy. We are not such people but we have a working solution so that we can write versioned, syntax neutral books and documentation. And we will do it. > Now I know a plan about big extension. Can you understand that pier is working for us? And that we spent time making sure that we can have an infrastructure to really produce documents with it. So why suddenly we should abandon it. Can you think two minutes in our place? Stef here is the pier syntax do you tell me that this is difficult to learn? ! header !! !!! list - # ref * * [[[ code ]]] ==code== So

Oct. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Oct 30, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > On 30 Oct 2013, at 21:48, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >>>> >>>> >>>> markdown misses a lot of features we need to write a book as you >>>> highlight in your next point. So I don't understand your question :-) >>> >>> If you want to write a comment and display it in Amber I donât see why people have to learn a new markup language when there is markdown. >> >> Because you learn markdown first but pier syntax predates it. and because like that we have one syntax for everything. >> Did you notice that the seaside book was fully written with this syntax and it WORKS!!! > > For me itâs like stating that weâll make one car that will be able to win both Formula 1 and Dakar Rally. sorry but you are wrong. But this is your right not to see what we are doing. >>>>> > > Just talking about newcomers. Ok so they can learn Smalltalk but they cannot learn two changes from markdown. So yes let us focus on them they will write books and documentation for sure. Stef

Oct. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yury could you listen and read what we write? We want one common format so that we can output all the others and like that we do not have "this is in pdf but not in HTML so google cannot find the information" kind of complaint. And we have that! Gutenberg is generating HTML + PDF + whatever we want. So I do not get where is the problem. ANd the solution worked because we wrote with lukas the seaside book in pier format on the web and the book that people buy is based on the web so I do not get you. Stef

Oct. 31, 2013

Fwd: [ci-announces] Imminent maintenance

by Camillo Bruni

We're good again :) Begin forwarded message: > From: Emmanuel Jeanvoine <emmanuel.jeanvoine(a)inria.fr> > Hello, > > After a difficult investigation, the IT team has fixed the problem. > All the slaves have also been restarted and the CI service is now fully > working. If the Jenkins instance of the projects fail to see the > slaves, you can restart them using the web portal > (http://ci.inria.fr) In case of problem, do not hesitate to contact > the support team (ci-support(a)inria.fr) > > Sorry again for the downtime, > Emmanuel.

Oct. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] inria ci problem - content encoding error when clicking 'new job' in JobTemplate page

by Camillo Bruni

probably :), I put you on admin, could you try again? On 2013-10-29, at 15:29, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Is this error happening because my user is neither an Admin nor a Slave Admin > and therefore I cannot create jobs? > > > Thanks > > Paul > > > Paul DeBruicker wrote >> Hi - >> >> >> After logging in, when I visit this page: >> >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/all/newJob >> >> I get a 'content encoding error' and nothing is displayed in the browser. >> >> >> Is there another way to create a job? >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Paul > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/inria-ci-problem-content-encoding-error-when-clicking… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Oct. 31, 2013