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Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks

by Benjamin

The thing is that google does not implement a regular âIMAPâ protocol :S But what is weird, is that it works with new google accounts, and not with old ones :S Ben On 23 Oct 2013, at 14:23, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > Am 23.10.2013 um 13:56 schrieb Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com>: > >> off-topic: >> Do you experience issue with Gmail IMAP accounts too ? >> Cause I can not properly delete messages :( >> > Because you cannot delete emails at all in gmail. You can remove tags and add tags but removing IMHO isn't possible. Google _does not_ forget! > > Norbert > >> Ben >> >> On 23 Oct 2013, at 13:52, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> This morning I upgraded my MacBook Air to Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks. The good new is that my trusty VM [1] is still working OK ! >>> >>> However, something seems to have changed regarding full screen mode: it more or less works but there are two black bands and the window title remains visible, it is as if it did not expand enough: >>> >>> <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.40.56.png> >>> >>> Which is a pity: I rely on this a lot to get more screen space on my 13 inch screen and to work distraction free. >>> >>> I guess weâll have to wait for our hero Esteban to have a look. >>> >>> Also new is the focus on energy management and efficiency. Sadly Pharo is flagged as using to much (look at the menu under the battery icon top right and the energy tab in the activity monitor): >>> >>> <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.49.53.png> >>> >>> This is probably related to the busy thread running/polling every ms or so inside the VM. >>> >>> I could turn these into issues. >>> >>> Sven >>> >>> [1] >>> >>> Virtual Machine >>> --------------- >>> /Users/sven/Develop/Smalltalk/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo >>> NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >>> NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >>> git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 >>> >>> Mac Cocoa Cog 5.8b12 21-Sep-10 >1B0534FA-246C-47C5-AB29-7A76C81CCDCB< >>> VMMaker versionString git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 >>> NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >>> NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >>> >>> >> >

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 23 Oct 2013, at 14:22, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, i was also exploring, why even if i do not touch image i got like 3-5% CPU load. > What i found that it is in VM. Because i basicaly removed everything in image, > and just left idle process, and still had such loads. Igor, some time ago you told me which thread inside the VM was doing this, but maybe you forgot ;-) > On 23 October 2013 13:52, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hi, > > This morning I upgraded my MacBook Air to Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks. The good new is that my trusty VM [1] is still working OK ! > > However, something seems to have changed regarding full screen mode: it more or less works but there are two black bands and the window title remains visible, it is as if it did not expand enough: > > <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.40.56.png> > > Which is a pity: I rely on this a lot to get more screen space on my 13 inch screen and to work distraction free. > > I guess weâll have to wait for our hero Esteban to have a look. > > Also new is the focus on energy management and efficiency. Sadly Pharo is flagged as using to much (look at the menu under the battery icon top right and the energy tab in the activity monitor): > > <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.49.53.png> > > This is probably related to the busy thread running/polling every ms or so inside the VM. > > I could turn these into issues. > > Sven > > [1] > > Virtual Machine > --------------- > /Users/sven/Develop/Smalltalk/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo > NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 > > Mac Cocoa Cog 5.8b12 21-Sep-10 >1B0534FA-246C-47C5-AB29-7A76C81CCDCB< > VMMaker versionString git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 > NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] missing updates: 30503 30504

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Oct 23, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > (i am not fully understood what happens there, but here some thought which might be useful). thanks this is simple. Merging a dirty package always ask the user if it wants to proceed. Now I catch the exception and proceed. Integrators at this stage should know what they are doing. Stef > > About that popup: > - if its a warning, then you can see it in interactive mode. > in headless mode all warnings are ignored and program just continues to run. > This is equivalent as if user pressed 'proceed' when he sees warning. > > If you don't want to proceed at such point, then you should throw an error instead of warning, > then in headless mode the process abort and quit, and as result, integration will fail. > > And of course, you can do even smarter things like: > > Smalltalk isInteractive ifTrue: [ self showWarning ] ifFalse: [ self throwError ]. > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] VM for Athens Graphics

by J.F. Rick

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Mouse i much more precise than fingers. I doubt it going to be replaced. I > think it will stay. > "When we were an agrarian nation, all cars were trucks because thatâs what you needed on the farms. But cars eventually became more prevalent as people moved to cities. PCs will be like trucksâ¦they are still going to be around, but there is a transformation coming, and it will make some people uneasy. Is it the iPad? Who knows? Will it be next year or five years from now?" -Steve Jobs Yes, mice will stick around but they won't be the dominant paradigm of computing. Already, tablet sales have eclipsed the sales of desktops / laptops. Fingers aren't inherently less precise. I, for instance, am very happy using an Apple trackpad rather than a mouse. Touch screens have a fat finger problem (i.e., you are often covering up what you are wanting to precisely touch), but precision in itself isn't the problem. Cheers, Jeff -- Jochen "Jeff" Rick, Ph.D. http://www.je77.com/ Skype ID: jochenrick

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks

by Norbert Hartl

Am 23.10.2013 um 13:56 schrieb Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com>: > off-topic: > Do you experience issue with Gmail IMAP accounts too ? > Cause I can not properly delete messages :( > Because you cannot delete emails at all in gmail. You can remove tags and add tags but removing IMHO isn't possible. Google _does not_ forget! Norbert > Ben > > On 23 Oct 2013, at 13:52, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> This morning I upgraded my MacBook Air to Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks. The good new is that my trusty VM [1] is still working OK ! >> >> However, something seems to have changed regarding full screen mode: it more or less works but there are two black bands and the window title remains visible, it is as if it did not expand enough: >> >> <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.40.56.png> >> >> Which is a pity: I rely on this a lot to get more screen space on my 13 inch screen and to work distraction free. >> >> I guess weâll have to wait for our hero Esteban to have a look. >> >> Also new is the focus on energy management and efficiency. Sadly Pharo is flagged as using to much (look at the menu under the battery icon top right and the energy tab in the activity monitor): >> >> <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.49.53.png> >> >> This is probably related to the busy thread running/polling every ms or so inside the VM. >> >> I could turn these into issues. >> >> Sven >> >> [1] >> >> Virtual Machine >> --------------- >> /Users/sven/Develop/Smalltalk/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo >> NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >> NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >> git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 >> >> Mac Cocoa Cog 5.8b12 21-Sep-10 >1B0534FA-246C-47C5-AB29-7A76C81CCDCB< >> VMMaker versionString git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 >> NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >> NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >> >> >

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks

by Igor Stasenko

Yeah, i was also exploring, why even if i do not touch image i got like 3-5% CPU load. What i found that it is in VM. Because i basicaly removed everything in image, and just left idle process, and still had such loads. On 23 October 2013 13:52, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hi, > > This morning I upgraded my MacBook Air to Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks. The > good new is that my trusty VM [1] is still working OK ! > > However, something seems to have changed regarding full screen mode: it > more or less works but there are two black bands and the window title > remains visible, it is as if it did not expand enough: > > > Which is a pity: I rely on this a lot to get more screen space on my 13 > inch screen and to work distraction free. > > I guess weâll have to wait for our hero Esteban to have a look. > > Also new is the focus on energy management and efficiency. Sadly Pharo is > flagged as using to much (look at the menu under the battery icon top right > and the energy tab in the activity monitor): > > > This is probably related to the busy thread running/polling every ms or so > inside the VM. > > I could turn these into issues. > > Sven > > [1] > > Virtual Machine > --------------- > /Users/sven/Develop/Smalltalk/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo > NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: > a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: > a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: > 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 > By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 > > Mac Cocoa Cog 5.8b12 21-Sep-10 >1B0534FA-246C-47C5-AB29-7A76C81CCDCB< > VMMaker versionString git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.gitCommit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 > +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 > NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: > a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: > a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] missing updates: 30503 30504

by Igor Stasenko

(i am not fully understood what happens there, but here some thought which might be useful). About that popup: - if its a warning, then you can see it in interactive mode. in headless mode all warnings are ignored and program just continues to run. This is equivalent as if user pressed 'proceed' when he sees warning. If you don't want to proceed at such point, then you should throw an error instead of warning, then in headless mode the process abort and quit, and as result, integration will fail. And of course, you can do even smarter things like: Smalltalk isInteractive ifTrue: [ self showWarning ] ifFalse: [ self throwError ]. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks

by Marcus Denker

On 23 Oct 2013, at 13:57, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > off-topic: > Do you experience issue with Gmail IMAP accounts too ? > Cause I can not properly delete messages :( > Yes, me too. Marcus

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] i wish i could live in a world...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Me too :) We are slowly getting there. Alain does not have globals anymore. I should really take the time to have a look and push but â¦. o frustration. Stef > where morphs has position relative to their owner morph. > and laying out morphs or composing them into complex layout easy > and event handling is easy .. > and things are properly documented > :) > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] ZnEasy and https?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

sven Soon you will be able to produce PharoTopics taking this git file as input :) ZnClient new get: 'https://raw.github.com/pharo-project/pharo-project-proposals/master/Topics.…'. Stef On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hi StÃ©phane, > > It is actually even simpler, you can use either: > > ZnEasy get: 'https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-project-proposals/blob/master/Topics…'. > > or: > > ZnClient new > get: 'https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-project-proposals/blob/master/Topics…'. > > They return slightly different things, in the first case the response object, in the second case the actual contents. Look for users of ZnClient in the system and tests for tons of examples. > > HTH, > > Sven > > On 23 Oct 2013, at 10:46, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> hi sven >> >> I would like to fetch a file stored on github >> >> ZnEasy client >> url: 'https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-project-proposals/blob/master/Topics…'; >> get; >> response >> >> Else I tried to read zodiac code but I missed some examples. >> I tried to read the tests but I failed. >> >> Stef >> >> >> > >

Oct. 23, 2013