October 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[regression reporter]regression occurred

by no-reply＠ci.inria.fr

https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2.1-Validation/label=wi… 4 regressions found. Tests.Monticello.MCSerializationTest.testStSerialization Tests.Monticello.MCStReaderTest.testCommentWithoutStyle Tests.Monticello.MCStReaderTest.testMethodWithStyle Tests.Release.ReleaseTest.testInstanceSideMethodsWithNilKeyInLastLiteral

Oct. 3, 2013

[regression reporter]regression occurred

by no-reply＠ci.inria.fr

https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2.1-Validation/label=li… 4 regressions found. Tests.Monticello.MCSerializationTest.testStSerialization Tests.Monticello.MCStReaderTest.testCommentWithoutStyle Tests.Monticello.MCStReaderTest.testMethodWithStyle Tests.Release.ReleaseTest.testInstanceSideMethodsWithNilKeyInLastLiteral

Oct. 3, 2013

[update 3.0] #30442

by Marcus Denker

Oct. 3, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo hangout analysis

by Esteban A. Maringolo

The hangout took place during my regular working hours, so for those like me that must work according to a schedule it wasn't easy to do much more than "radio listening" and some chat. Anyhow, I'm happy with the outcome. I think more hangouts should be done, one per month is few. Maybe two would be a good number, each scheduled to make it possible for those living past Greenwich, and those living a few hours behind it like us. It will require some time to get speed and used to the tools, but I think it will be worth the effort. Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo 2013/10/2 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > > So well... the first Pharo Hangout Session has passed and in my opinion it was not terribly bad :) > There were present people who usually does not show up in the sprints for obvious reasons (they live far from Lille, like in Argentina). > And we more or less worked in fixing bugs and talked about Pharo development, etc. > > No one there worked like that before and we need to acquire more experience to do the kind of things that makes our team work better: we need to learn how to explain our stuff, how to share our screen and do things, etc. > > But I think as a first experience it was very positive. > At least, we could hang (out ;)) and share working context with people that we usually don't. > And I think all presents are a bit more aware of Pharo process now (not a lot more aware, but a bit :) > > So... we will repeat this experience once a month, because I think they are very positive and we will improve them with practice. > But I also would like to add other ideas that came to my mind while sprinting. > > For example, I think we succeed in create the feeling of "all of us are working together" that a sprint has, but we failed in pair program. So I would like to try remote-pair program too. > How can we manage it? well, instead an open sprint, we declare "I want to work on this issue", and we invite people to join... and we join two or three with same interest into a shared screen and with real participation. > > What do you think? > > cheers, > Esteban

Oct. 3, 2013

[update 3.0] #30441

by Marcus Denker

Oct. 3, 2013

: Re: Pharo (cog) Vm on Windows with 2GB virtual mem

by Stephan Eggermont

I can answer that with a very clear: yes. There are enough problems where I run out of 2GB ram in less than 10 minutes Stephan

Oct. 3, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Any visualisation for Metacello?

by Tudor Girba

Indeed. And if you need some other information than the one shown, just let us know and we can try to add it. Doru On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Christophe Demarey < Christophe.Demarey(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Gofer new > url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Moose/GToolkit/main'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfGToolkit'; > load. > > (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGToolkit) project development load. > > (Smalltalk at: #GTMetaceller) open. > > Le 2 oct. 2013 Ã 19:03, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > > metaceller > in the moose image maybe > > On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > I have to deal with complex configurations involving Pier (and some of > > its plugins), Magritte, Voyage, Mongo and Seaside. There is a bug > > somewhere because I can't load all of that. Is there any tool that > > would show me a graph of the projects and their dependencies? If there > > is no graph, is there at least some place to get the information? I > > know the #record + #loadDirective combo, but I don't understand the > > result and it does not help. > > > Best > > > -- > > Damien Cassou > > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > > losing enthusiasm." > > Winston Churchill > > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Oct. 3, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo (cog) Vm on Windows with 2GB virtual mem

by kilon

Talking about GBs it makes me wonder , even if the image allowed more than 500MBs if that would be a wise move. Smalltalk is afterall one of the slowest , execution wise, programming languages. In python which is as slow if not slower, the attitude is to move big data to C libs and then interface with these C libs via python. When I see even morphic at times take up to 50% of my dual core 2.0GHz CPU just makes me wonder if cramming 1 GB or more inside the image will end bringing pharo to a crawl for processing that data. So what pharo may need is something that already nativeboost is doing, mapping to C types and access to fast C functions for processing and manipulating big data. Just make it more easier. For example python has numpy (mainly C code, extra types etc) and nowdays also Blaze is emerging as a future candidate. https://github.com/ContinuumIO/blaze <https://github.com/ContinuumIO/blaze> just a thought. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-cog-Vm-on-Windows-with-2GB-virtual-mem-tp471074… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 3, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo (cog) Vm on Windows with 2GB virtual mem

by Guillermo Polito

I can only guess by the comment in the commit: https://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed/commit/341e6c2e150bcde80dfea6c890bab774… Can you check that? Guille On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Oscar EA CallaÃº <oalvarez(a)dcc.uchile.cl>wrote: > Thanks, but what would be the parameter?**** > > ** ** > > This is the default .ini**** > > ** ** > > [Global]**** > > DeferUpdate=1**** > > ShowConsole=0**** > > DynamicConsole=1**** > > ReduceCPUUsage=1**** > > ReduceCPUInBackground=0**** > > 3ButtonMouse=0**** > > 1ButtonMouse=0**** > > UseDirectSound=1**** > > PriorityBoost=1**** > > B3DXUsesOpenGL=0**** > > CaseSensitiveFileMode=0**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > So there is no mention the paratemer to change or add.**** > > ** ** > > Cheers.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] *On Behalf > Of *Guillermo Polito > *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2013 5:18 AM > *To:* Pharo Development List > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo (cog) Vm on Windows with 2GB virtual mem* > *** > > ** ** > > I think latest Pharo VM supports to change the memory limit by only > changing an ini file. Igor did that not long ago.**** > > ** ** > > Cheers,**** > > Guille**** > > ** ** > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Oscar E. A. CallaÃº < > oalvarez(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:**** > > Hi Guys,**** > > ** ** > > I read in this thread**** > > ** ** > > http://forum.world.st/out-of-memory-cog-on-windows-td3465621.html**** > > ** ** > > that 512 mb limit can be avoided in windows, but a re-compilation is > needed. I was wondering if the situation changed, and now we can pass a > parameter. Otherwise, I would be interested if any of you has a > pre-compiled vm with more mem.**** > > ** ** > > I need to run some experiments and I need 2GB (or 1.5 GB at least ) on a > cog VM for Windows. **** > > ** ** > > Thanks in advance.**** > > ** ** > > Oscar**** > > ** ** >

Oct. 3, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo hangout analysis

by Guillermo Polito

I was too immerse in my own stuff, next time I'll try to collaborate a bit more :). In any case, it was fun for me, and much more friendly than the irc channel :P. When's the next one? On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:55 PM, kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Definitely a success story as a first. The one thing missing as I pointed > out > is meeting notes, so people who connect have an idea where you are and what > you doing, so they don't have to ask you each time someone joins. As I > found > it this is possible through the hangout apps -> Google Drive -> hangout > notes. > > I think it will be better if you follow a schedule , or at least pick a > theme (or multiple) for each meeting. It will give it a purpose and make it > look less random. > > I really loved the share screen experience, seeing you code has been a > valuable lesson and I would love to watch more coding sessions and > eventually participating myself when I feel more confident with Pharo. I > also really liked the fact that the meeting lasted so long. > > The idea of video recording those sessions for later watching is also very > appealing to me. > > Well done :) > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo-hangout-analysis-tp4712008p4712043.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

Oct. 3, 2013