October 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg

by Yuriy Tymchuk

This makes sense. But I have 2 opinions: 1) If we want something like markdown, why not to use Markdown? 2) When I think about the book I think about something nice. I donât think that markdown is good for books. Thatâs exactly what I encountered. I wanted to start with this updated version of RBE and wanted to use Gutenberg so it will be possible to put the book on iBook store and Amazon and read it on iDevices and Kindles. But When I started to rewrite latex source in Gutenberg Iâve found that a lot of details are going to be missing, because the is no support in Gutenberg for them. Thatâs my main question: why wonât we write books in ePub (because it the #1 eBooks format) and confer it to .mobi (for kindles) as the formats can be converted without a problem. Iâd also enjoy to write books in iBooks Author, but it will be hard to cooperate as not everybody is using Mac. Cheers. Uko On 30 Oct 2013, at 17:36, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >> Why do we need Pier-Gutenberg? Why canât we gust use ePub for example? > > We need a simple text based syntax (like for wiki) to write > documentation fast (e.g., books, class comments, method comments). I > don't know ePub, but it looks a lot like HTML, which is way too > verbose for our needs. Gutemberg looks more like Mardown and Org-mode. > The difference with these 2 is that everything is written in Smalltalk > so it is easy to customize to our needs and embed in Pharo (e.g., to > show beautiful class comments in Nautilus, just like in Amber: > http://forum.world.st/attachment/4684866/0/Screen%20Shot%202013-05-02%20at%…) > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill >

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Why do we need Pier-Gutenberg? Why canât we gust use ePub for example? We need a simple text based syntax (like for wiki) to write documentation fast (e.g., books, class comments, method comments). I don't know ePub, but it looks a lot like HTML, which is way too verbose for our needs. Gutemberg looks more like Mardown and Org-mode. The difference with these 2 is that everything is written in Smalltalk so it is easy to customize to our needs and embed in Pharo (e.g., to show beautiful class comments in Nautilus, just like in Amber: http://forum.world.st/attachment/4684866/0/Screen%20Shot%202013-05-02%20at%…) -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Gutemberg is an addon for Pier CMS to write a book in Pier syntax. > It can convert into PDF. Details here: soon Gutemberg will be indepent of Pier and only dependent on Pier syntax and parser (code name 'Pillar') : http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier/Pillar -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Changing non-copying selectors to #...InPlace

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 30 Oct 2013, at 14:06, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > To continue the discussion on this topic (stemming from issue 11635) Iâm starting a new thread. Please share your thoughts. > > Form the other thread: > >> Personally I'm for more intention revealing selectors; I quite like #shuffled and #shuffleInPlace. If we can agree on a different naming scheme we should then apply it to other methods aswell of course (e.g. #sorted, #sortInPlace). > > My proposition is to keep the selectors named #â¦d (#shuffled, #sorted, etc.), which operate on a copy, and rename the others (#shuffle, #sort, etcâ¦) to #â¦InPlace (#shuffleInPlace, #sortInPlace, etc.). The rational behind this is that (to my mind) the current scheme is not intention revealing (e.g. #shuffle vs. #shuffled). Which is especially problematic for newcomers. > > Max Hmm, I am not sure. If you follow this to its logical conclusion than a huge amount of methods would need an #InPlace suffix. I understand that you are trying so fix a possible confusion, but in the case of sorting the confusion is inherent: if you are lazy, a beginner, or just donât care about performance because the collections are small, getting a sorted copy back is the best solution; but if you care about performance and the collections a large, destructive sorting is a necessary option. Good comments in #sort and #sorted with cross references should help, that is why there are comments.

Oct. 30, 2013

Pharo presentation at Smalltalk 2013

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

http://www.slideshare.net/pharoproject/2013smalltalksconference-pharo-is-yo… Stef

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Changing non-copying selectors to #...InPlace

by btc＠openinworld.com

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Image Stability

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-10-30, at 16:04, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On 30 Oct 2013, at 15:09, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Failing Tests >> ------------- >> Seems like our test splitup did not work properly: >> >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0/ >> >> The tests starting with A-L did not run since a while! >> > > But I always checked and even waited for them to finish.. to me it looked that they where run each time > I did an update. > > I check the tests after every update. A-L have one failing tests, related to Job (which started to fail recently), and that only on Linux. > Why jenkis shows no test runs I do not know. humm ok, that makes me even more suspicious :P, because there is not even a history right now :/. Well, let's wait until the CI infrastructure is back to normal. >> From what I get quite a bunch of tests are failing. >> >> >> Pending Processes + Default Username >> ------------------------------------ >> There is a strange amount of processes hanging around in the image. >> Plus there was a report that a default user name was set in the image (Not sure if that still persists, since I directly set mine with startup preferences). >> Was a new image version ben uploaded manually? >> > > I did a manual one recently (last week?) but I did not set any user name. > (I wanted to check if the processes are in the image that we download, they are not). ok, so maybe re-uploading a new image will do the trick? >> Unstable Image + VM >> ------------------- >> Additionally since a while the image became much more unstable after running the tests >> twice (I know not a common case, but it should NEVER provoke a VM crash), see here: >> >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/3.0-Analysis/job/Pharo-3.0-Test-Twice/buildT… >> >> From what I get, ReleaseTest>>testObsoleteBehaviors provokes a VM crash. > > It was crashing the Opal Regression tests, too. Last wee I added a #flushCache to the #fixObsoleteReferences > and that fixed it for the Opal Tests. Good. Do you think it would make sense to always call #flushCache if you manually trigger the GC?

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Yes. That are probably all the links I could suggest. Also I have a question for a community: Why do we need Pier-Gutenberg? Why canât we gust use ePub for example? Uko On 30 Oct 2013, at 15:36, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Yes, OK - meanwhile I found out. For the records: > > Gutemberg is an addon for Pier CMS to write a book in Pier syntax. > It can convert into PDF. Details here: > > [1] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/ > [2] http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~DamienCassou/Pier-Gutemberg > [3] https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoForTheEnterprise-english > > >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Oktober 2013 um 15:04 Uhr >> Von: "Yuriy Tymchuk" <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> >> An: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> >> Betreff: Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg >> >> You are talking about Pier-Gutenberg? A thing for books? >> >> On 30 Oct 2013, at 14:37, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: >> >>> Gutenberg - how to use it? How to install, how is the process... >>> Any links? >>> >>> thx >>> T. >>> >> >> >> >

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Image Stability

by Marcus Denker

On 30 Oct 2013, at 15:09, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Failing Tests > ------------- > Seems like our test splitup did not work properly: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0/ > > The tests starting with A-L did not run since a while! > But I always checked and even waited for them to finish.. to me it looked that they where run each time I did an update. I check the tests after every update. A-L have one failing tests, related to Job (which started to fail recently), and that only on Linux. Why jenkis shows no test runs I do not know. > From what I get quite a bunch of tests are failing. > > > Pending Processes + Default Username > ------------------------------------ > There is a strange amount of processes hanging around in the image. > Plus there was a report that a default user name was set in the image (Not sure if that still persists, since I directly set mine with startup preferences). > Was a new image version ben uploaded manually? > I did a manual one recently (last week?) but I did not set any user name. (I wanted to check if the processes are in the image that we download, they are not). > > Unstable Image + VM > ------------------- > Additionally since a while the image became much more unstable after running the tests > twice (I know not a common case, but it should NEVER provoke a VM crash), see here: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/3.0-Analysis/job/Pharo-3.0-Test-Twice/buildT… > > From what I get, ReleaseTest>>testObsoleteBehaviors provokes a VM crash. It was crashing the Opal Regression tests, too. Last wee I added a #flushCache to the #fixObsoleteReferences and that fixed it for the Opal Tests. Marcus

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg

by Torsten Bergmann

Yes, OK - meanwhile I found out. For the records: Gutemberg is an addon for Pier CMS to write a book in Pier syntax. It can convert into PDF. Details here: [1] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/ [2] http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~DamienCassou/Pier-Gutemberg [3] https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoForTheEnterprise-english > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Oktober 2013 um 15:04 Uhr > Von: "Yuriy Tymchuk" <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> > An: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Betreff: Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg > > You are talking about Pier-Gutenberg? A thing for books? > > On 30 Oct 2013, at 14:37, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > > > Gutenberg - how to use it? How to install, how is the process... > > Any links? > > > > thx > > T. > > > > >

Oct. 30, 2013