October 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg

by Yuriy Tymchuk

On 30 Oct 2013, at 18:22, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >> 1) If we want something like markdown, why not to use Markdown? > > > markdown misses a lot of features we need to write a book as you > highlight in your next point. So I don't understand your question :-) If you want to write a comment and display it in Amber I donât see why people have to learn a new markup language when there is markdown. > > >> 2) When I think about the book I think about something nice. I donât think that markdown is good for books. Thatâs exactly what I encountered. I wanted to start with this updated version of RBE and wanted to use Gutenberg so it will be possible to put the book on iBook store and Amazon and read it on iDevices and Kindles. But When I started to rewrite latex source in Gutenberg Iâve found that a lot of details are going to be missing, because the is no support in Gutenberg for them. > > > because the code is simple, well tested and written in Smalltalk, we > can add the features we need. > > >> Thatâs my main question: why wonât we write books in ePub (because it the #1 eBooks format) and confer it to .mobi (for kindles) as the formats can be converted without a problem. Iâd also enjoy to write books in iBooks Author, but it will be hard to cooperate as not everybody is using Mac. > > > I don't know ePub but from what I can't see, it is not simpler than > LaTeX. We want people to write books easily. Iâm not looking for simplicity, Iâm looking for a good final product. ePub shouldnât be simpler, itâs just made for eBooks. On the other hand there are editors with WYSIWYG support like: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-K2Q-tdVbPRI/UI08v7LhzHI/AAAAAAAAABY/vZ5LHjM6nb4/s… And of course there is iBooks Author that I mentioned. Iâm not trying to convince, Iâm just trying to understand why development of a new syntax is better the reusing/extending existing one. Or why we canât use epub + sigil for example. Cheers. Uko > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill >

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Losing instance variable addition

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Note that this is quite bad (and limit of MC) because it means that the people are forced to copy the package, do the modification and publish and do that each time the mother package will change. Stef On Oct 30, 2013, at 7:15 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Ok in fact > Gisela forked the AST-Core package to be able to load a new version with the instance variables. > Because there is no way to say that a class definition modification is attached to a given package. > > Stef > >> Apparently the problem is that gisela is adding instance variable to a class that is not in the Flamel package. >> So it was working before but not anymore. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >>> Hi guys >>> >>> we are losing instance variables addition when loading a package. >>> Here is the example: >>> >>> Gofer new >>> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/gisela/Flamel/main'; >>> version: 'Flamel-GiselaDecuzzi.94'; >>> load >>> >>> Normally RBProgramNode should have three new instance variables and not this is not the case. >>> Is it a known bug? >>> >>> Stef >> >> >

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Losing instance variable addition

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok in fact Gisela forked the AST-Core package to be able to load a new version with the instance variables. Because there is no way to say that a class definition modification is attached to a given package. Stef > Apparently the problem is that gisela is adding instance variable to a class that is not in the Flamel package. > So it was working before but not anymore. > > Stef > > > >> Hi guys >> >> we are losing instance variables addition when loading a package. >> Here is the example: >> >> Gofer new >> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/gisela/Flamel/main'; >> version: 'Flamel-GiselaDecuzzi.94'; >> load >> >> Normally RBProgramNode should have three new instance variables and not this is not the case. >> Is it a known bug? >> >> Stef > >

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo presentation at Smalltalk 2013

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 30 Oct 2013, at 16:22, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > http://www.slideshare.net/pharoproject/2013smalltalksconference-pharo-is-yo… > > Stef It is amazing how much has been achieved, especially in recent months in 3.0 Non-linear acceleration. Self-enforcing feedback loop. Sven

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Losing instance variable addition

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Apparently the problem is that gisela is adding instance variable to a class that is not in the Flamel package. So it was working before but not anymore. Stef > Hi guys > > we are losing instance variables addition when loading a package. > Here is the example: > > Gofer new > url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/gisela/Flamel/main'; > version: 'Flamel-GiselaDecuzzi.94'; > load > > Normally RBProgramNode should have three new instance variables and not this is not the case. > Is it a known bug? > > Stef

Oct. 30, 2013

Losing instance variable addition

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi guys we are losing instance variables addition when loading a package. Here is the example: Gofer new url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/gisela/Flamel/main'; version: 'Flamel-GiselaDecuzzi.94'; load Normally RBProgramNode should have three new instance variables and not this is not the case. Is it a known bug? Stef

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo presentation at Smalltalk 2013

by dimitris chloupis

a minor correction , its not "get an impact" its "have an impact". Great slides , I would love to see the video accompanying the slides . Its really surprising how many new projects Pharo has brought forward. And so many things to look forward to. Keep up the great work and keep motivating us :)Â On Wednesday, 30 October 2013, 19:17, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: i got the message :) On 30 October 2013 16:22, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >http://www.slideshare.net/pharoproject/2013smalltalksconference-pharo-is-yo… > >Stef > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > 1) If we want something like markdown, why not to use Markdown? markdown misses a lot of features we need to write a book as you highlight in your next point. So I don't understand your question :-) > 2) When I think about the book I think about something nice. I donât think that markdown is good for books. Thatâs exactly what I encountered. I wanted to start with this updated version of RBE and wanted to use Gutenberg so it will be possible to put the book on iBook store and Amazon and read it on iDevices and Kindles. But When I started to rewrite latex source in Gutenberg Iâve found that a lot of details are going to be missing, because the is no support in Gutenberg for them. because the code is simple, well tested and written in Smalltalk, we can add the features we need. > Thatâs my main question: why wonât we write books in ePub (because it the #1 eBooks format) and confer it to .mobi (for kindles) as the formats can be converted without a problem. Iâd also enjoy to write books in iBooks Author, but it will be hard to cooperate as not everybody is using Mac. I don't know ePub but from what I can't see, it is not simpler than LaTeX. We want people to write books easily. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo presentation at Smalltalk 2013

by Igor Stasenko

i got the message :) On 30 October 2013 16:22, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > > > http://www.slideshare.net/pharoproject/2013smalltalksconference-pharo-is-yo… > > Stef > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Using Gutenberg

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-10-30, at 17:53, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > This makes sense. But I have 2 opinions: > > 1) If we want something like markdown, why not to use Markdown? I burnt my fingers already on markdown :), so the major problem is that we do not have a complete parser yet. The current version is something like 90% ready, but lacks for instance proper support for lists. Feel free to contribute ;): http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~dh83/petitmarkdown

Oct. 30, 2013