January 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Where to get the VM?

by Camillo Bruni

Yes that would be the ideal case, but the limited space on our old brittle jenkins made our system very fragile. We could only keep a couple of versions of each build. Result? We lost the stable builds, hence I started to backup files in the easiest way possible, on a dumb file server. How could we have avoided the current mess? Simply by moving early enough to the right infrastructure half a year ago would have saved us many burnt brain cells. So I naturally get upset if all of a sudden everything has to work out of the blue. We left the old jenkins in ruins and we are building the new one ad-hoc. There is no going back as the old server is simply dead, besides our admins are clueless about the crashes, taking random reboots as a good habit. So I expect that YOU take your time to look at the new setup and understand it. If I had to take a look at our budget I would do the same, of course with my amount if complaint because I would not know your private system...

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] I hate 'as yet unclassified'

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok but in 3.0 We will kill that bad habit. We should investigate in an automatic categorizer. There was one I should have a look one of these days (since I do not know what to do :)). Stef > Code with "as yet unclassified" methods should be rejected by the monkey ! > > Ben > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:19 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> >> On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >> >>> While on the topic, some of the category chooser dialogs are sorted so that the extensions are listed first - which I find annoying (in 1.4). In 2.0 can the standard categories be shown first ? >>> >>> Also, I still struggle to really be confident I am choosing the right categories. Perhaps down the track, a feature useful for newcomers might be a tooltip when hovering over items on the category list, or alternatively, hover showing a list of the ten most common methods appearing in that category. >> >> could be really neat :) >> >>> >>> cheers -ben >>> >>> StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>> Hi guys >>>> >>>> I spend my time recategorizing methods. >>>> I would like the change the intention of 'as yet unclassified' because this is a PLAGUE. >>>> It is like throwing papers on the floor. >>>> So we should have a different name to indicate that it should be fixed. >>>> >>>> >>>> Any ideas? >>>> >>>> 'you are a dirty programmer - change me' >>>> >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Where to get the VM?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> you're over generalizing... PharoVM with NativeBoost + SSL + OSProcess + Freetype > will do the trick for most users, and that's what we aim for. We are talking about THE pharo VM and THE Pharo image. This is since august that I use the ***same*** pharo.14.zip and I'm happy. I know that there one and for the rest this is my problem. I use a configuration and get the stuff I need loaded. I do not ask the PUBLIC pharo building system to build it for me. If I need that I will create my own jenkins job in preview or experimental. Stef

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Where to get the VM?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

+ 1 >> Can the Jenkins job for the images add to the resulting zip >> a file named 'vm-used.txt' with a single line that points to the static download location of the vm used for that run ? > > > actually not a bad idea, this would be additional information to the download script and console output we have. > > The current problem is that all the VM's are unstable or have missing plugins, hence

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Where to get the VM?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I do not want to decide if I should use COG, Pharo, COG NB. Why because I do not know the implication. There should be two VM Pharo-COG Pharo-Stack No more! All the rest is for internal consumption The same there is one image per version 1.4 summer edition 2.0 beta All the rest is internal. Stef >> >> >> One in the sense of the VM we tell people to use. >> > http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/ci/vm/ > >> Marcus >> > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Where to get the VM?

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-01-29, at 23:21, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Camillo Bruni wrote: > >> if you guys would 10 seconds to read the jenkins configuration you would see that >> we use the COG vm > > come one camillo. > Do I ask you to read my budget projection to know if you will get payed. nobody knows where it is... it's simple

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] I hate 'as yet unclassified'

by Camille Teruel

On 29 janv. 2013, at 23:21, Benjamin wrote: > Code with "as yet unclassified" methods should be rejected by the monkey ! +1

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Where to get the VM?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

thanks The system should be for simple people. I did not even knew that I had to go on fgorge to grab vm. So imagine other people. Stef >> Well... Why not to put the link http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/ci/vm/ in >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/ ? >> How can one guess this without wasting time in googling? > > Good point. I put notes with the link in Jenkins in: the top level view, vm, > 1.4 job, and 2.0 job. > > I also updated the links at http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download . > The only one I couldn't update was for the 2.0 one-click. The job seems to > be gone from the old Jenkins and non-existent on the new Jenkins. > > Lmk if there's any I missed... > > HTH, > Sean > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Where-to-get-the-VM-tp4666146p4666217.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Where to get the VM?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Camillo Bruni wrote: > if you guys would 10 seconds to read the jenkins configuration you would see that > we use the COG vm come one camillo. Do I ask you to read my budget projection to know if you will get payed. No. We should understand that we are overwelm with information and that we should straighten the information so that external people can get it right. Stef > > wget --quiet -qO - http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/ci/script/ciPharo20CogVM.sh | bash > > and most of the builds on https://ci.inria.fr/rmod use the NBCogVM > > wget --quiet -qO - http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/ci/script/ciPharo20NBCogVM.sh | bash > > > !!!!PLEASE BOOKMARK!!!! > > all vms are archived on the gforge, > > DO NOT USE JENKINS TO DOWNLOAD VMS... > > http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/ci/vm/ > > they are all sorted by type and platform. Currently the PharoVM us not so stable. > => stack, cog or nbcog are better choices > > > > On 2013-01-29, at 13:57, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Where can I get the VM to run Pharo 2.0? >> I have downloaded the last Pharo 2.0 image from Jenkins. Then I which VM should I pick? >> >> >> Cog Git Tracker is apparently the source >> I've tried PharoVM, but I cannot open the image. >> >> This is the minimal I guess we should have... >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> > >

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] I hate 'as yet unclassified'

by Benjamin

Code with "as yet unclassified" methods should be rejected by the monkey ! Ben On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:19 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Ben Coman wrote: > >> While on the topic, some of the category chooser dialogs are sorted so that the extensions are listed first - which I find annoying (in 1.4). In 2.0 can the standard categories be shown first ? >> >> Also, I still struggle to really be confident I am choosing the right categories. Perhaps down the track, a feature useful for newcomers might be a tooltip when hovering over items on the category list, or alternatively, hover showing a list of the ten most common methods appearing in that category. > > could be really neat :) > >> >> cheers -ben >> >> StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> Hi guys >>> >>> I spend my time recategorizing methods. >>> I would like the change the intention of 'as yet unclassified' because this is a PLAGUE. >>> It is like throwing papers on the floor. >>> So we should have a different name to indicate that it should be fixed. >>> >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> 'you are a dirty programmer - change me' >>> >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Jan. 29, 2013