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Re: [Pharo-project] I hate 'as yet unclassified'

by Stephan Eggermont

Sven wrote: >Euh, I want to fix some of them ! Good, that was the idea :) I was inspired by Doru's humane assessment primer. >Could you express this query in executable code ? >I am guessing you did this with Moose ? >Can it be done in plain Smalltalk ? I opened a Moose to take a look at the Mondrian examples, then copied that. This is the version that runs in both Squeak and Pharo. Open a workspace, Print-it on Unclassified new byAuthor Unclassified new byPackage This package intentionally contains some unclassified methods :)

Jan. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] I hate 'as yet unclassified'

by Stephan Eggermont

As there was a discussion on the Pharo mailing list on the number of these methods, I thought to check in the 4.3 one-click too. Some synchronisation would be possible by adding a hash over the method source, compare one method in the other system to see if it was classified there. Stephan #unclassified methods by package Etoys-Experimental 126 Morphic-Widgets 112 MorphicExtras-GeeMail 94 Collections-Text 90 Monticello-Repositories 79 ToolsTests-Browser 76 Multilingual-Display 76 Monticello-UI 72 Nebraska-Morphic-Collaborative 62 Monticello-Versioning 61 Tests-Monticello 52 Multilingual-TextConversion 49 Monticello-Merging 46 MorphicExtras-Demo 46 Morphic-Windows 45 MorphicExtras-Books 39 Etoys-Outliner 35 Tools-Browser 33 Network-RemoteDirectory 33 Tests-Bugs 32 Compression-Streams 32 Monticello-Storing 31 Sound-Scores 28 Tests-Monticello-Mocks 28 MorphicExtras-Navigators 27 MorphicExtras-AdditionalSupport 25 Morphic-Explorer 24 Nebraska-Morphic-Remote 22 Monticello-Patching 22 Tests-Files 20 Monticello-Chunk Format 20 Morphic-Text Support 20 Nebraska-Morphic-Experimental 20 Exceptions-Kernel 16 MorphicExtras-Text Support 16 MorphicExtras-Support 15 Monticello-Modeling 15 Sound-Synthesis 14 Tools-Inspector 14 MorphicExtras-Palettes 11 MorphicExtras-SoundInterface 10 Collections-Streams 10 TraitsTests-Kernel 10 Tests-Utilities 9 System-Changes 9 ST80-Pluggable Views 9 MorphicExtras-AdditionalWidgets 8 Installer-Core 7 Compiler-Exceptions 7 Morphic-Menus-DockingBar 7 Nebraska-Network-ObjectSocket 7 Files-Kernel 7 Monticello-Loading 6 ST80-Views 6 MorphicExtras-Widgets 6 MorphicExtras-AdditionalMorphs 6 Tests-ObjectsAsMethods 6 Multilingual-Editor 5 SMBase-domain 5 MorphicTests-Widgets 5 Nebraska-Audio Chat 5 MorphicTests-Kernel 5 ToolBuilder-Kernel 5 ST80-Controllers 4 Etoys-Stacks 4 Morphic-Menus 4 ST80-Framework 4 MorphicExtras-SqueakPage 4 CollectionsTests-Weak 4 MorphicTests-Layouts 4 Morphic-Pluggable Widgets 4 SUnit-Tests 4 Tests-Hex 4 ToolBuilder-SUnit 3 Etoys-Scripting 3 Graphics-Fonts 3 Kernel-Methods 3 Multilingual-Scanning 3 Files-Directories 3 SUnit-Extensions 3 ToolBuilder-Morphic 3 SystemChangeNotification-Tests 3 Morphic-Basic 3 ST80-Support 2 Network-Kernel 2 Etoys-Scripting Tiles 2 Kernel-Classes 2 Graphics-Primitives 2 Collections-Arrayed 2 MorphicExtras-Postscript Canvases 2 Services-Base 2 Graphics-Display Objects 2 Balloon-Fills 2 NetworkTests-UUID 1 PackageInfo-Base 1 Tools-FileList 1 CollectionsTests-Text 1 NetworkTests-RFC822 1 Services-Base-GUI 1 Tests-System-Support 1 System-Support 1 ST80-Editors 1 Etoys-Tile Scriptors 1 System-FileRegistry 1 Etoys-Scripting Support 1 NetworkTests-Url 1 Morphic-Kernel 1 ToolsTests-Inspector 1 #unclassified methods by author RAA 438 stephaneducasse 145 ar 144 avi 99 yo 97 gvc 80 fbs 80 tk 80 di 76 nice 73 ab 73 sd 58 jm 47 dgd 44 sw 41 ul 35 nk 35 cmm 27 27 cwp 26 bf 26 md 19 kb 12 wiz 12 jrp 11 kph 7 dvf 6 Tsutomu 6 ajh 6 mjr 6 ls 6 rej 6 apb 5 dtl 5 acg 4 gk 4 sbw 4 abc 4 bp 4 nb 4 jmv 3 spfa 3 laza 3 rr 3 JPF 3 MarcusDenker 3 al 3 Igor.Stasenko 3 BG 2 tetha 2 pk 2 btc 2 jrd 2 eem 2 mha 2 tfel 2 mir 1 jcg 1 mist 1 LC 1 tlk 1 djp 1 sumim 1 DSM 1 TN 1 aoy 1 DF 1 alain.plantec 1 gm 1 th 1 bvs 1 sma 1 jf 1 sps 1 tonyg 1 hh 1 tak 1 '

Jan. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] I hate 'as yet unclassified'

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Euh, I want to fix some of them ! Stephan, Could you express this query in executable code ? I am guessing you did this with Moose ? Can it be done in plain Smalltalk ? Sven On 30 Jan 2013, at 14:02, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > In Pharo 20498, sorted by author in the method timestamp: > > gvc 1550 > AlainPlantec 320 > 216 > GaryChambers 215 > CamilloBruni 163 > IgorStasenko 159 > stephaneducasse 152 > avi 148 > Igor.Stasenko 128 > StephaneDucasse 85 > SeanDeNigris 81 > MarcusDenker 78 > ab 75 > GuillermoPolito 68 > tween 52 > BenjaminVanRyseghem 51 > ar 46 > di 40 > RAA 38 > alain.plantec 38 > EstebanLorenzano 35 > FernandoOlivero 33 > nice 31 > tk 29 > nk 28 > cwp 26 > dvf 22 > rr 20 > PavelKrivanek 18 > MarianoMartinezPeck 18 > yo 18 > sd 18 > bf 16 > SvenVanCaekenberghe 16 > JMM 16 > marcus.denker 14 > wiz 12 > ajh 12 > mjr 12 > cipt 10 > abc 10 > md 10 > HenrikSperreJohansen 9 > MikeRoberts 8 > AndyKellens 6 > LukasRenggli 6 > noha 6 > ClementBera 6 > jrd 6 > GastonDallOglio 6 > 2011-01-24T15:34:00+01:00 6 > DeboraFortini 5 > stephane.ducasse 5 > lr 5 > 2011-01-24T15:33:00+01:00 4 > dgd 4 > DamienCassou 4 > TestRunner 4 > bkv 4 > BG 4 > Alexandre 4 > AndrewBlack 4 > sw 4 > SimonAllier 3 > DanielAvivEstebanAllende 3 > ASB 2 > mas 2 > pmm 2 > simondenier 2 > BernardoContreras 2 > th 2 > damienpollet 2 > NicoPaez 2 > CamilloBrui 2 > sps 2 > MiguelCoba 2 > eem 2 > NikoSchwarz 2 > JavierPimas 2 > GabrielOmarCotelli 2 > mir 2 > ul 2 > 2011-01-24T15:50:00+01:00 2 > jf 2 > c 2 > ls 2 > al 2 > NorbertHartl 2 > djp 2 > AdrianLienhard 2 > TorstenBergmann 2 > AlexandreBergel 2 > tbn 2 > DiogenesMoreira 2 > GuyHylton 1 > ThierryGoubier 1 >

Jan. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus usability

by jannik laval

2013/1/30 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:11 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 2013/1/30 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > >> >> >> Ben >> >> On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:30 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> 2013/1/30 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> >> >>> >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:03 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Benjamin, >>> >>> I am trying to use Nautilus and going to Pharo 2.0 (I am using 20480). >>> I have some remarks about the usability of the tool. I think the idea is >>> cool and I begin to appreciate it. >>> >>> But, I have some problems: >>> >>> - When I am on a method and search senders (b,n). If there is only one >>> sender, another browser is opened focusing on the sender of the method. But >>> the method call is not highlighted. When I have to parse long methods, I >>> loose time. >>> >>> >>> True :) >>> >>> - About the keyboard shortcuts: please I need the same shortcuts >>> everywhereâ¦ Not everywhere because I know it takes time to do that. BUT >>> everywhere in nautilus itself. The shortcuts are not the same in the >>> sourcecode panel (old shortcuts) and in the list of entities (new >>> shortcuts). >>> As a user, I would like to have the possibility to disable the new >>> shortcuts to have the same shortcuts everywhere in my environment. >>> >>> >>> It's implemented Nautilus side, but KeyBindings still need some love :) >>> >>> >>> - About the package menu: >>> >there is too much items: 4 items to add package in groups is too much. >>> I would prefer one item (add as group) and a menu More. >>> > Why is there a "Search code" in "rewrite code" item ? The name does >>> not make sense. >>> >>> >>> Probably comes from OB :) >>> >> >> And should be changed. >> >> >>> >>> > Create Slice should be in the DEBUG mode. Which could be disabled in >>> the Settings. >>> >>> >>> Debug mode ? Why ?? >>> >> >> Or a different menu that is available for the core team or guys who need >> this feature. >> I do not use it even if I am in a pharo sprint. >> >> >> The browser is by nature a development tool :) >> > > Don't be stupid. You know what I want to say. > > > I know, I was teasing you :) > The goal behind, as Esteban said, is to help people who wants to > participate, even for "stupid" fix, like a typo, a comment, or just a temp > var renamed. > We got the feeling that when we do such a fix, then we are "often" too > lazy to open a bug entry, create a slice etc. Because indeed, the process > is a bit too complex I think. > > My point of view is that we can't complain that people are not involved if > we do not ease at maximum the way to do it :) > > > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> - The "Show instance variables" and "Show class variables" does not show >>> the variables but the accessors to the variables, no ? >>> >>> >>> Yes, as the other browsers did, but I can change the name ;) >>> >> >> Yes please >> >> >>> >>> >>> - Is it possible to have a popup on the icons in Nautilus. There is lots >>> of icons that I don't know what they mean. >>> >>> >>> There are (or at least should, maybe a bug) >>> >> >> There are only on active icons. The others have no information popup. >> >> >>> >>> - It is the same for the color of classes and methods: Why are there >>> methods in gray ? classes in gray ? >>> >>> >>> Extensions >>> >> >> Thank you, but "in the browser" how can I know that ? >> >> >>> >>> >>> - The command "edit a comment", which is a clickable icon, opens a new >>> window. I would prefer that it has the same behavior than the button >>> "Comments": opening the comments in the same browser. >>> >>> >>> No, thanks to the popup and shortcuts, you can edit in a row a lot of >>> classes very quickly >>> >> >> Not agree. We have too much opened window, and when I write a comment, I >> want to write ONE and write it well. >> >> >> Take the first class to comment, >> >> start: press space >> type your comment >> save (cmd+s)(it closes the window) >> press arrow down >> goto: start >> >> Can't be faster :) >> > > You are right ! I am just surprised about that. > So this is not an issue :D > > > :D > > > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> - in the lists of the browser, I would like to select multiple packages >>> without using the mouse. Is it possible ? In all the browsers, the shift-up >>> and shift-down can do that. >>> >>> >>> PluggableListMorph can't do that, but NewList can. >>> >>> Unfortunately, I think the integration will be in 3.0 >>> >> >> ARGhhhh >> >> >> If you have time to make it work you are more than welcome >> > > I have the same problem as you: lake of time ! > > > The same as every one I think ^^ That the major problem of open source > communities :) > > > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> - When I select multiple packages, the classes of all these packages >>> should appear. Not only the ones of the last selected package. >>> >>> >>> There is a bug entry and discussion about that. Due to extension, it's >>> quite complicated to due and raises some issues. >>> >> >> >>> >>> >>> - what does the locker means in the source code editor ? I understood >>> that the method cannot be modifiedâ¦ But I can, so I don't understand. >>> >>> >>> It's a feature not yet really used. You can pin a text panel, and have >>> multiples. We need to polish that as well :) >>> >> >> It does not work fine. There are some UI issues (the top of the method is >> hidden because of the new buttons on the bottom of the window). If it is >> not used and polished, please remove it. >> >> >> I will try to make it work, but with the lectures, it's a bit complicated >> :S >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> - The history navigator is not shared between browsers. >>> >>> >>> There is a bug entry for this >>> >>> >>> That is a good beginning I think. >>> I give you my point of view as a user of the browser. This is the main >>> tool I am supposed to use in Pharo and I would like to not be frustrated >>> using it. >>> >>> >>> You know I love feedback :) >>> >> >> Thank you >> >> >>> Do you know what I like more ? Bug entries :P >>> >> >> Here, I am a user. I take time to send you a mail, and I don't want to >> take time to open bug entries. You can do it if you think the ideas are >> good. :P >> >> >> I though you was also part of the community :P >> > > A community is not a bug tracker but also all the communication around. > I just wanted to discuss and share my point of view. > > > I know :) Again, I was teasing you :D ( and I know you do not like the > issue tracker :P) > > I have not problem with opening bug entries from someone else mail ^^ > For sure, next time I will open a bug entry. On my todo list: Open a bug entry for Nautilus :DDD Cheers, Jannik > > Ben > > > Now, I am not sure it was a good idea. > Be cool, guys ! > > Jannik > > >> >> Ben >> >> >> >> Cheer, >> Jannik >> >>> >>> >>> Thanks again >>> Ben >>> >>> >>> >>> My 2 cents, >>> Jannik >>> >>>

Jan. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] I hate 'as yet unclassified'

by Hernan Wilkinson

I think that classification is a matter of time and maturity of what you are doing. When I'm programming, using TDD or in the debugger, I don't care about categorization, I don't want to be stopped or slowed down by that. But before I commit the code, I run SmallLint and solve all the uncategorized methods. That is the time when I have the whole picture and can do a better categorization. So having a "not categorized yet" category for me is fine, it is part of the iterative development process. I would not change the tools, but I would force during the integration that no package will be integrated if it has uncategorized methods, the same if it has smalllint errors (at least errors, no possible errors). Hernan. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: > holy s**t , 35! > > and I'm more or less a maniac of classification :P > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > > In Pharo 20498, sorted by author in the method timestamp: > > > > gvc 1550 > > AlainPlantec 320 > > 216 > > GaryChambers 215 > > CamilloBruni 163 > > IgorStasenko 159 > > stephaneducasse 152 > > avi 148 > > Igor.Stasenko 128 > > StephaneDucasse 85 > > SeanDeNigris 81 > > MarcusDenker 78 > > ab 75 > > GuillermoPolito 68 > > tween 52 > > BenjaminVanRyseghem 51 > > ar 46 > > di 40 > > RAA 38 > > alain.plantec 38 > > EstebanLorenzano 35 > > FernandoOlivero 33 > > nice 31 > > tk 29 > > nk 28 > > cwp 26 > > dvf 22 > > rr 20 > > PavelKrivanek 18 > > MarianoMartinezPeck 18 > > yo 18 > > sd 18 > > bf 16 > > SvenVanCaekenberghe 16 > > JMM 16 > > marcus.denker 14 > > wiz 12 > > ajh 12 > > mjr 12 > > cipt 10 > > abc 10 > > md 10 > > HenrikSperreJohansen 9 > > MikeRoberts 8 > > AndyKellens 6 > > LukasRenggli 6 > > noha 6 > > ClementBera 6 > > jrd 6 > > GastonDallOglio 6 > > 2011-01-24T15:34:00+01:00 6 > > DeboraFortini 5 > > stephane.ducasse 5 > > lr 5 > > 2011-01-24T15:33:00+01:00 4 > > dgd 4 > > DamienCassou 4 > > TestRunner 4 > > bkv 4 > > BG 4 > > Alexandre 4 > > AndrewBlack 4 > > sw 4 > > SimonAllier 3 > > DanielAvivEstebanAllende 3 > > ASB 2 > > mas 2 > > pmm 2 > > simondenier 2 > > BernardoContreras 2 > > th 2 > > damienpollet 2 > > NicoPaez 2 > > CamilloBrui 2 > > sps 2 > > MiguelCoba 2 > > eem 2 > > NikoSchwarz 2 > > JavierPimas 2 > > GabrielOmarCotelli 2 > > mir 2 > > ul 2 > > 2011-01-24T15:50:00+01:00 2 > > jf 2 > > c 2 > > ls 2 > > al 2 > > NorbertHartl 2 > > djp 2 > > AdrianLienhard 2 > > TorstenBergmann 2 > > AlexandreBergel 2 > > tbn 2 > > DiogenesMoreira 2 > > GuyHylton 1 > > ThierryGoubier 1 > > > > > -- *HernÃ¡n Wilkinson Agile Software Development, Teaching & Coaching* *Phone: +54 - 011 - *6091 - 3125* Mobile: +54 - 911 - 4470 - 7207 email: hernan.wilkinson(a)10Pines.com site: http://www.10Pines.com <http://www.10pines.com/>* Address: Alem 693, Floor 5 B, Buenos Aires, Argentina

Jan. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] I hate 'as yet unclassified'

by Benjamin

Ben On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > In Pharo 20498, sorted by author in the method timestamp: > > gvc 1550 > AlainPlantec 320 > 216 > GaryChambers 215 > CamilloBruni 163 > IgorStasenko 159 > stephaneducasse 152 > avi 148 > Igor.Stasenko 128 > StephaneDucasse 85 > SeanDeNigris 81 > MarcusDenker 78 > ab 75 > GuillermoPolito 68 > tween 52 > BenjaminVanRyseghem 51 > ar 46 > di 40 > RAA 38 > alain.plantec 38 > EstebanLorenzano 35 > FernandoOlivero 33 > nice 31 > tk 29 > nk 28 > cwp 26 > dvf 22 > rr 20 > PavelKrivanek 18 > MarianoMartinezPeck 18 > yo 18 > sd 18 > bf 16 > SvenVanCaekenberghe 16 > JMM 16 > marcus.denker 14 > wiz 12 > ajh 12 > mjr 12 > cipt 10 > abc 10 > md 10 > HenrikSperreJohansen 9 > MikeRoberts 8 > AndyKellens 6 > LukasRenggli 6 > noha 6 > ClementBera 6 > jrd 6 > GastonDallOglio 6 > 2011-01-24T15:34:00+01:00 6 > DeboraFortini 5 > stephane.ducasse 5 > lr 5 > 2011-01-24T15:33:00+01:00 4 > dgd 4 > DamienCassou 4 > TestRunner 4 > bkv 4 > BG 4 > Alexandre 4 > AndrewBlack 4 > sw 4 > SimonAllier 3 > DanielAvivEstebanAllende 3 > ASB 2 > mas 2 > pmm 2 > simondenier 2 > BernardoContreras 2 > th 2 > damienpollet 2 > NicoPaez 2 > CamilloBrui 2 > sps 2 > MiguelCoba 2 > eem 2 > NikoSchwarz 2 > JavierPimas 2 > GabrielOmarCotelli 2 > mir 2 > ul 2 > 2011-01-24T15:50:00+01:00 2 > jf 2 > c 2 > ls 2 > al 2 > NorbertHartl 2 > djp 2 > AdrianLienhard 2 > TorstenBergmann 2 > AlexandreBergel 2 > tbn 2 > DiogenesMoreira 2 > GuyHylton 1 > ThierryGoubier 1 >

Jan. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus usability

by Benjamin

On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:11 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2013/1/30 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > > > Ben > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:30 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> 2013/1/30 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> >> >> >> Ben >> >> On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:03 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Benjamin, >>> >>> I am trying to use Nautilus and going to Pharo 2.0 (I am using 20480). >>> I have some remarks about the usability of the tool. I think the idea is cool and I begin to appreciate it. >>> >>> But, I have some problems: >>> >>> - When I am on a method and search senders (b,n). If there is only one sender, another browser is opened focusing on the sender of the method. But the method call is not highlighted. When I have to parse long methods, I loose time. >> >> True :) >> >>> - About the keyboard shortcuts: please I need the same shortcuts everywhereâ¦ Not everywhere because I know it takes time to do that. BUT everywhere in nautilus itself. The shortcuts are not the same in the sourcecode panel (old shortcuts) and in the list of entities (new shortcuts). >>> As a user, I would like to have the possibility to disable the new shortcuts to have the same shortcuts everywhere in my environment. >> >> It's implemented Nautilus side, but KeyBindings still need some love :) >> >>> >>> - About the package menu: >>> >there is too much items: 4 items to add package in groups is too much. I would prefer one item (add as group) and a menu More. >>> > Why is there a "Search code" in "rewrite code" item ? The name does not make sense. >> >> Probably comes from OB :) >> >> And should be changed. >> >> >>> > Create Slice should be in the DEBUG mode. Which could be disabled in the Settings. >> >> Debug mode ? Why ?? >> >> Or a different menu that is available for the core team or guys who need this feature. >> I do not use it even if I am in a pharo sprint. > > The browser is by nature a development tool :) > > Don't be stupid. You know what I want to say. I know, I was teasing you :) The goal behind, as Esteban said, is to help people who wants to participate, even for "stupid" fix, like a typo, a comment, or just a temp var renamed. We got the feeling that when we do such a fix, then we are "often" too lazy to open a bug entry, create a slice etc. Because indeed, the process is a bit too complex I think. My point of view is that we can't complain that people are not involved if we do not ease at maximum the way to do it :) > > >> >> >>> >>> - The "Show instance variables" and "Show class variables" does not show the variables but the accessors to the variables, no ? >> >> Yes, as the other browsers did, but I can change the name ;) >> >> Yes please >> >> >>> >>> - Is it possible to have a popup on the icons in Nautilus. There is lots of icons that I don't know what they mean. >> >> There are (or at least should, maybe a bug) >> >> There are only on active icons. The others have no information popup. >> >> >>> - It is the same for the color of classes and methods: Why are there methods in gray ? classes in gray ? >> >> Extensions >> >> Thank you, but "in the browser" how can I know that ? >> >> >>> >>> - The command "edit a comment", which is a clickable icon, opens a new window. I would prefer that it has the same behavior than the button "Comments": opening the comments in the same browser. >> >> No, thanks to the popup and shortcuts, you can edit in a row a lot of classes very quickly >> >> Not agree. We have too much opened window, and when I write a comment, I want to write ONE and write it well. > > Take the first class to comment, > > start: press space > type your comment > save (cmd+s)(it closes the window) > press arrow down > goto: start > > Can't be faster :) > > You are right ! I am just surprised about that. > So this is not an issue :D :D > > >> >> >>> >>> - in the lists of the browser, I would like to select multiple packages without using the mouse. Is it possible ? In all the browsers, the shift-up and shift-down can do that. >> >> PluggableListMorph can't do that, but NewList can. >> >> Unfortunately, I think the integration will be in 3.0 >> >> ARGhhhh > > If you have time to make it work you are more than welcome > > I have the same problem as you: lake of time ! The same as every one I think ^^ That the major problem of open source communities :) > > >> >> >>> >>> - When I select multiple packages, the classes of all these packages should appear. Not only the ones of the last selected package. >> >> There is a bug entry and discussion about that. Due to extension, it's quite complicated to due and raises some issues. >> >> >>> >>> - what does the locker means in the source code editor ? I understood that the method cannot be modifiedâ¦ But I can, so I don't understand. >> >> It's a feature not yet really used. You can pin a text panel, and have multiples. We need to polish that as well :) >> >> It does not work fine. There are some UI issues (the top of the method is hidden because of the new buttons on the bottom of the window). If it is not used and polished, please remove it. > > I will try to make it work, but with the lectures, it's a bit complicated :S > >> >> >>> >>> - The history navigator is not shared between browsers. >> >> There is a bug entry for this >> >>> >>> That is a good beginning I think. >>> I give you my point of view as a user of the browser. This is the main tool I am supposed to use in Pharo and I would like to not be frustrated using it. >> >> You know I love feedback :) >> >> Thank you >> >> Do you know what I like more ? Bug entries :P >> >> Here, I am a user. I take time to send you a mail, and I don't want to take time to open bug entries. You can do it if you think the ideas are good. :P > > I though you was also part of the community :P > > A community is not a bug tracker but also all the communication around. > I just wanted to discuss and share my point of view. I know :) Again, I was teasing you :D ( and I know you do not like the issue tracker :P) I have not problem with opening bug entries from someone else mail ^^ Ben > > Now, I am not sure it was a good idea. > Be cool, guys ! > > Jannik > > > Ben > > >> >> Cheer, >> Jannik >> >> >> Thanks again >> Ben >> >> >>> >>> My 2 cents, >>> Jannik >>> >>> -- >>> ~~Dr. Jannik Laval~~ >>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ~~Dr. Jannik Laval~~ >> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> Enseignant-chercheur >> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> > > > > > -- > ~~Dr. Jannik Laval~~ > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu >

Jan. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Status of Pharo on Pi

by David T. Lewis

Pharo 2.0 does not seem to work on a standard Squeak interpreter VM any more. Can anyone explain why? I suspect it might be something in the image startup code, because Pharo 2.0 does work on Cog (from Eliot's site), and AFIK there should be little functional difference between Cog and interpreter VM aside from VM parameters that might be getting tested at image startup. Thanks, Dave On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 01:04:35PM +0100, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > oops! > another item into the infinite-todo :) > > Esteban > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > it was only a SqueakVM, I had no luck with compilation of StackVM for > > it but it is a more general problem of VM development. We simply do > > not have any StackVM for general platform. I suppose that if you take > > StackVM and you will make it to run on 64bit Linux (without any > > assembler or additional 32bit libraries), then you will be able to > > compile it for RPi too. > > > > > > Cheers, > > -- Pavel > > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> It is a vm issue, non a pharo issue. > >> and AFAIK, Pavel had a StackVM running (probably some missing plugins, thought), with a Pharo 1.4 inside. > >> > >> best, > >> Esteban > >> > >> On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:28 PM, "Torsten Bergmann" <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > >> > >>> Can anyone give an update on the status of > >>> Pharo for Raspberry pi? > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > >

Jan. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] I hate 'as yet unclassified'

by Stephan Eggermont

In Pharo 20498, sorted by package name Polymorph-Widgets 1116 Polymorph-Widgets-Windows 615 Polymorph-Tools-Diff 260 Monticello-Repositories 240 Morphic-MorphTreeWidget-Examples 192 Monticello-Versioning 144 NativeBoost-Core-Types 104 Monticello-Storing 66 NativeBoost-Core-Objects 60 Graphics-Fonts 56 NativeBoost-Tests 55 Balloon-Fills 54 FreeTypeTests-cache 52 Text-Core 50 AST-Core-Visitors 48 Tests-Bugs 46 Collections-Streams 44 Morphic-Borders 44 Polymorph-Widgets-Themes 42 Keymapping-Tests 39 Monticello-Modeling 38 Tests-Traits 38 Morphic-Text Support 32 MonticelloGUI 31 NOCompletion-Model 30 Monticello-Patching 28 Morphic-Explorer 28 Morphic-MorphTreeWidget 26 RPackage-Tests 22 Monticello-Mocks 21 Tests-Monticello 20 Keymapping-Shortcuts 20 Polymorph-Geometry 20 NativeBoost-Core 19 NativeBoost-Core-FFI 18 Tests-Polymorph-Widgets 18 SUnit-Core-Utilities 18 Compiler-Exceptions 18 Tools-Explorer 18 NativeBoost-Win32 16 Tests-SystemHistory 16 Files-Kernel 14 CollectionsTests-Weak 14 CompilerTests 14 Tools-Inspector 12 CollectionsTests-Arrayed 12 CollectionsTests-Sequenceable 12 NativeBoost-Core-Heap 12 CollectionsTests-Strings 12 Tests-ObjectsAsMethods 12 Tests-System 12 Traits-Kernel 10 Morphic-ProgressBar 10 MorphicTests-Kernel 10 NativeBoost-Core-Errors 10 Tools-Debugger 10 Morphic-Basic 10 KernelTests-Methods 10 Morphic-Menus 10 AsmJit-StackManagement 9 Morphic-Pluggable Widgets 8 Kernel-Exceptions 8 System-Changes 8 Tools-FileList 8 NautilusCommon-Refactor 8 Kernel-Methods 8 Morphic-Events 8 FileSystem-Core-Implementation 8 MorphicTests-Widgets 6 NativeBoost-Mac 6 AST-Core-Nodes 6 ToolsTest-PointerFinder 6 FileSystem-Tests-Core 6 Kernel-Pragmas-Collector 6 MonticelloMocks 6 Tests-TextEditors 6 KernelTests-Classes 6 SUnit-Core-Kernel 6 HudsonBuildTools20 6 System-Settings-Core 6 KernelTests-Chronology 6 Spec-Widgets 6 ScriptLoader20 5 NetworkTests-Protocols 4 Spec-Tests 4 FreeType-FontManager 4 Morphic-Widgets 4 System-Announcements 4 NautilusCommon-Plugin 4 Morphic-WindowNotification 4 Collections-Abstract 4 Text-Edition 4 Manifest-Resources-Tests 3 UIManager-Support 2 Nautilus-Widgets 2 KernelTests-Processes 2 Collections-Arithmetic 2 KernelTests-Numbers 2 Network-Protocols 2 Spec-Bindings 2 CollectionsTests-Unordered 2 Kernel-Classes 2 Network-Kernel 2 Tools-Base 2 Kernel-Processes 2 NativeBoost-Examples 2 NECompletion-Model 2 FileSystem-Zip 2 Tests-PackageInfo 2 Compression-Streams 2 FileSystem-Core-Public 2 MenuRegistration-Core 2 Tools-Finder 2 FileSystem-Core-Kernel 2 System-FileRegistry 2 Zinc-Tests 2 Spec-Core 2 Graphics-Display Objects 2 Morphic-Kernel 2 Network-URI 2 Nautilus-Tests 2 Collections-Support 2 System-FilePackage 2 Morphic-Support 2 Morphic-Worlds 2 FuelTests 2 NewClassOrganizer 1 Refactoring-Tests-Critics 1 CI-Core 1 Morphic 1 Ring-Tests-Kernel 1 Keymapping-Pragmas 1 UIManager 1 FileSystem-Disk 1

Jan. 30, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus usability

by jannik laval

2013/1/30 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > > > Ben > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:30 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > 2013/1/30 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > >> >> >> Ben >> >> On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:03 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Benjamin, >> >> I am trying to use Nautilus and going to Pharo 2.0 (I am using 20480). >> I have some remarks about the usability of the tool. I think the idea is >> cool and I begin to appreciate it. >> >> But, I have some problems: >> >> - When I am on a method and search senders (b,n). If there is only one >> sender, another browser is opened focusing on the sender of the method. But >> the method call is not highlighted. When I have to parse long methods, I >> loose time. >> >> >> True :) >> >> - About the keyboard shortcuts: please I need the same shortcuts >> everywhereâ¦ Not everywhere because I know it takes time to do that. BUT >> everywhere in nautilus itself. The shortcuts are not the same in the >> sourcecode panel (old shortcuts) and in the list of entities (new >> shortcuts). >> As a user, I would like to have the possibility to disable the new >> shortcuts to have the same shortcuts everywhere in my environment. >> >> >> It's implemented Nautilus side, but KeyBindings still need some love :) >> >> >> - About the package menu: >> >there is too much items: 4 items to add package in groups is too much. I >> would prefer one item (add as group) and a menu More. >> > Why is there a "Search code" in "rewrite code" item ? The name does not >> make sense. >> >> >> Probably comes from OB :) >> > > And should be changed. > > >> >> > Create Slice should be in the DEBUG mode. Which could be disabled in >> the Settings. >> >> >> Debug mode ? Why ?? >> > > Or a different menu that is available for the core team or guys who need > this feature. > I do not use it even if I am in a pharo sprint. > > > The browser is by nature a development tool :) > Don't be stupid. You know what I want to say. > > > >> >> >> - The "Show instance variables" and "Show class variables" does not show >> the variables but the accessors to the variables, no ? >> >> >> Yes, as the other browsers did, but I can change the name ;) >> > > Yes please > > >> >> >> - Is it possible to have a popup on the icons in Nautilus. There is lots >> of icons that I don't know what they mean. >> >> >> There are (or at least should, maybe a bug) >> > > There are only on active icons. The others have no information popup. > > >> >> - It is the same for the color of classes and methods: Why are there >> methods in gray ? classes in gray ? >> >> >> Extensions >> > > Thank you, but "in the browser" how can I know that ? > > >> >> >> - The command "edit a comment", which is a clickable icon, opens a new >> window. I would prefer that it has the same behavior than the button >> "Comments": opening the comments in the same browser. >> >> >> No, thanks to the popup and shortcuts, you can edit in a row a lot of >> classes very quickly >> > > Not agree. We have too much opened window, and when I write a comment, I > want to write ONE and write it well. > > > Take the first class to comment, > > start: press space > type your comment > save (cmd+s)(it closes the window) > press arrow down > goto: start > > Can't be faster :) > You are right ! I am just surprised about that. So this is not an issue :D > > > >> >> >> - in the lists of the browser, I would like to select multiple packages >> without using the mouse. Is it possible ? In all the browsers, the shift-up >> and shift-down can do that. >> >> >> PluggableListMorph can't do that, but NewList can. >> >> Unfortunately, I think the integration will be in 3.0 >> > > ARGhhhh > > > If you have time to make it work you are more than welcome > I have the same problem as you: lake of time ! > > > >> >> >> - When I select multiple packages, the classes of all these packages >> should appear. Not only the ones of the last selected package. >> >> >> There is a bug entry and discussion about that. Due to extension, it's >> quite complicated to due and raises some issues. >> > > >> >> >> - what does the locker means in the source code editor ? I understood >> that the method cannot be modifiedâ¦ But I can, so I don't understand. >> >> >> It's a feature not yet really used. You can pin a text panel, and have >> multiples. We need to polish that as well :) >> > > It does not work fine. There are some UI issues (the top of the method is > hidden because of the new buttons on the bottom of the window). If it is > not used and polished, please remove it. > > > I will try to make it work, but with the lectures, it's a bit complicated > :S > > > >> >> >> - The history navigator is not shared between browsers. >> >> >> There is a bug entry for this >> >> >> That is a good beginning I think. >> I give you my point of view as a user of the browser. This is the main >> tool I am supposed to use in Pharo and I would like to not be frustrated >> using it. >> >> >> You know I love feedback :) >> > > Thank you > > >> Do you know what I like more ? Bug entries :P >> > > Here, I am a user. I take time to send you a mail, and I don't want to > take time to open bug entries. You can do it if you think the ideas are > good. :P > > > I though you was also part of the community :P > A community is not a bug tracker but also all the communication around. I just wanted to discuss and share my point of view. Now, I am not sure it was a good idea. Be cool, guys ! Jannik > > Ben > > > > Cheer, > Jannik > >> >> >> Thanks again >> Ben >> >> >> >> My 2 cents, >> Jannik >> >> -- >> >> ~~Dr. Jannik Laval~~ >> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> Enseignant-chercheur >> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> >> >> > > > -- > > ~~Dr. Jannik Laval~~ > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > > > -- ~~Dr. Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu

Jan. 30, 2013