August 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20238

by Camillo Bruni

On 2012-08-01, at 15:37, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > Camillo Bruni-3 wrote >> >> yeah, I changed the build to use the hudson URL checker and not the >> URLTrigger plugin. >> > > Oops, I deleted the URL checker trigger when I saw the URLTrigger had worked > for the #20237 build. Are you saying that it stopped working again for > #20238?! WTF?! no no, I changed the config, so it started working again :) But there are two places where you can specify the url trigger, and one works (the simple one line config) and one doesn't (the ultra fancy interface). In short, it works now

Aug. 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20238

by Sean P. DeNigris

Camillo Bruni-3 wrote > > yeah, I changed the build to use the hudson URL checker and not the > URLTrigger plugin. > Oops, I deleted the URL checker trigger when I saw the URLTrigger had worked for the #20237 build. Are you saying that it stopped working again for #20238?! WTF?! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/update-2-0-20238-tp4642413p4642467.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] how can we commit the configuration of rb to the refactoring browser repository

by Camillo Bruni

On 2012-08-01, at 15:22, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com> wrote: > Cami, > > As Patrik has mentioned the Metacello scripting api is headed in this direction ... for example the following expression provides a list of the Pier configurations in the squeaksource MetacelloRepository: > > Metacello new > configuration: [:spec | spec name beginsWith: 'Pier']; > squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > list. > > You can download all of the Pier configurations to your image with this expression: > > Metacello new > configuration: [:spec | spec name beginsWith: 'Pier']; > squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > get. > > Then you can load a particular configuration like this: > > Metacello new > configuration: 'Pier2'; > version: #stable; > squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > load. > > So the Configuration itself is not the focus of the API ... the class Metacello implements the api, but the api is intended for the manipulation of configurations ... There's a User Guider[1] for the API that covers most of the commands and a Reference Manual with more details (and more work to be done). ah cool :) > I've just announced a preview release on the Metacello list where I'm looking for feedback on the api, so now is the perfect time for you to chime in. I am interested in providing support along the lines of `publish` and `update`, but I have to have more details of what those commands will do... I've built into the framework some capabilities for extensions ... for example the pharo-specific commands might look something like this: > > Metallo pharo > configuration: 'Pier2'; > publish. ok, I will try using it for my new projects, so I can get the hang of it. > The preview is functional and I expect some folks to actually start using it in their day to day work with the caveat that the api will change as I get feedback. > > Finally the Metacello class is very small and intended to be included in the base images for both Squeak and Pharo. Metacello is bootstrapped when you execute one of the commands ... > > I expect the preview period to run through ESUG, so we can talk in person then... perfect :) > Dale > > [1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/blob/master/docs/MetacelloUse… > [2] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/blob/master/docs/MetacelloScr… > ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Camillo Bruni" <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> > | To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > | Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 4:32:11 AM > | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] how can we commit the configuration of rb to the refactoring browser repository > | > | exactly! > | > | http://guides.rubygems.org/ > | > | We should have a services where you can do: > | > | ConfigurationOfFoo publish. > | > | which will upload it to a central Metacello repository as well. > | So you always find the bleeding edge config in the project's repos > | and > | the more stable ones in the main metacello repository. > | > | ConfigurationOfFoo update. > | > | > | Now I would like to have a more 'gem' like interface for metacello. > | Simply do a `gem help commands` in your terminal and you'll see a > | handy > | list of commands available. > | > | > | Even if there are plans for nice UIs for Metacello at some time, we > | should > | take care that we create a nice programming interface :) > | > | On 2012-08-01, at 12:01, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > | wrote: > | > | > Hi guys > | > > | > Configuration should not be only in metacello repository. Think > | > objects! > | > Now how can we commit the configuration of rb to the refactoring > | > browser repository? > | > should we fork it for real. I think that we should migrate from > | > squeak source really soon now. > | > > | > Stef > | > > | > > | > | > | >

Aug. 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Going meta (VM development)

by Sean P. DeNigris

Igor Stasenko wrote > > yeeah.. unfortunately, wordpress.com seems like don't supports that > plugin.. or maybe it does, but i don't know where to look for (if you > can help, it will be nice) > Per http://en.support.wordpress.com/plugins/ : "Plugins... are only applicable to self-hosted blogs and web sites using the WordPress.org software. Plugins are not permitted here at WordPress.com for various security reasons." -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Going-meta-VM-development-tp4642146p4642462.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 6076: Pharo 2.0 Jenkins build trigger not working

by Sean P. DeNigris

Sean P. DeNigris wrote > > please give Jenkins a few minutes to trigger a build and let me know if it > happened or not. > It seems that the Pharo 2.0 build is being correctly triggered again as of build "#243, Aug 1, 2012 2:43:47 AM, 2.0 #20237". I'm closing the issue. Let me know if there are any more problems. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-6076-Pharo-2-0-Jenkins-build-trigger-not-workin… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] how can we commit the configuration of rb to the refactoring browser repository

by Dale Henrichs

Cami, As Patrik has mentioned the Metacello scripting api is headed in this direction ... for example the following expression provides a list of the Pier configurations in the squeaksource MetacelloRepository: Metacello new configuration: [:spec | spec name beginsWith: 'Pier']; squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; list. You can download all of the Pier configurations to your image with this expression: Metacello new configuration: [:spec | spec name beginsWith: 'Pier']; squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; get. Then you can load a particular configuration like this: Metacello new configuration: 'Pier2'; version: #stable; squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; load. So the Configuration itself is not the focus of the API ... the class Metacello implements the api, but the api is intended for the manipulation of configurations ... There's a User Guider[1] for the API that covers most of the commands and a Reference Manual with more details (and more work to be done). I've just announced a preview release on the Metacello list where I'm looking for feedback on the api, so now is the perfect time for you to chime in. I am interested in providing support along the lines of `publish` and `update`, but I have to have more details of what those commands will do... I've built into the framework some capabilities for extensions ... for example the pharo-specific commands might look something like this: Metallo pharo configuration: 'Pier2'; publish. The preview is functional and I expect some folks to actually start using it in their day to day work with the caveat that the api will change as I get feedback. Finally the Metacello class is very small and intended to be included in the base images for both Squeak and Pharo. Metacello is bootstrapped when you execute one of the commands ... I expect the preview period to run through ESUG, so we can talk in person then... Dale [1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/blob/master/docs/MetacelloUse… [2] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/blob/master/docs/MetacelloScr… ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Camillo Bruni" <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> | To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 4:32:11 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] how can we commit the configuration of rb to the refactoring browser repository | | exactly! | | http://guides.rubygems.org/ | | We should have a services where you can do: | | ConfigurationOfFoo publish. | | which will upload it to a central Metacello repository as well. | So you always find the bleeding edge config in the project's repos | and | the more stable ones in the main metacello repository. | | ConfigurationOfFoo update. | | | Now I would like to have a more 'gem' like interface for metacello. | Simply do a `gem help commands` in your terminal and you'll see a | handy | list of commands available. | | | Even if there are plans for nice UIs for Metacello at some time, we | should | take care that we create a nice programming interface :) | | On 2012-08-01, at 12:01, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> | wrote: | | > Hi guys | > | > Configuration should not be only in metacello repository. Think | > objects! | > Now how can we commit the configuration of rb to the refactoring | > browser repository? | > should we fork it for real. I think that we should migrate from | > squeak source really soon now. | > | > Stef | > | > | | |

Aug. 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Memory usage

by Igor Stasenko

On 1 August 2012 14:57, John McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> wrote: > A few years back the interpreted virtual machine was fixed to allow an image > to grow to the 4 GB limit. > It is unclear to me if someone regressed the software to impose a 2GB limit > again, or if the 2GB number > mentioned is based on how things worked10 years ago? > > John, it is mainly about windows VM , where the limit is hardcoded to 512MB of virtual memory. I don't remember what exactly Andreas said about it, but he strongly does not recommends to go over that limit. (I played with the limit and tried a VM with 1GB limit.. it works fine, but i didn't tested it with images whose size is close to it) and maybe 2GB will work as well, but i haven't tried it. > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:01 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > wrote: >> >> >> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:46 PM, johnmci wrote: >> >> > David Lewis and I spent a far amount of time a few years back to make >> > the 32 >> > vm 4gb clean. So are you running on stale knowledge here, or does the vm >> > crash when to goes over 2gb? >> >> sorry my english limit does not let me know understanding what you mean >> exactly. >> Jannik in the context of moose would like to see if we can have image >> larger than 500 mb (on mac it should be possible). >> >> Stef >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> > http://forum.world.st/Memory-usage-tp4641108p4642349.html >> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> >> > > > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > iPhone Apps. http://www.wikiserver.com Twitter: squeaker68882 > =========================================================================== > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Aug. 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Going meta (VM development)

by Igor Stasenko

On 1 August 2012 14:54, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > Other than that, I'll look at how we can solve this one. > ah.. don't waste your time on something which is not significant. a usual posts is going to be like: - okay i installed/built VM like that, that and that.. or i added this feature/fixed this, now it works and you can download it from ... or if you using plugin X/platform Y, to build VM , do not forget about Z.. etc etc so, it don't needs to be in highly malleable format such as markdown > > 2012/8/1 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> >> >> On 1 August 2012 12:54, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: >> > Wouldn't this fulfill both requirements ? >> > >> > http://digwp.com/2010/06/blogging-in-markdown/ >> > >> > Phil >> > >> yeeah.. unfortunately, wordpress.com seems like don't supports that >> plugin.. or maybe it does, but i don't know where to look for (if you >> can help, it will be nice) >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Aug. 1, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Memory usage

by John McIntosh

I'm sure I built a vm for 64 bits a few years back, maybe not a stack one, can't remember ya http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2010-January/003732.html On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:01 AM, David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com>wrote: > I don't know of anyone who has built a StackVM for the 64-bit object > memory, > so this might require some development work. It would certainly be possible > to do it, but I don't think that anyone has tried. > > Note that Eliot has plans for improved object memory formats, and the > current > 64-bit object memory is a "simplest thing that could possible work" > conversion > of the 32-bit object memory. I expect that Eliot would want to put his > energy > into the new object memory format(s), so a StackVM for the current 64-bit > object memory would probably require someone to volunteer to do some > development > work. > > Dave > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 04:16:40PM +0200, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I've been building the iOS StackVM for my own uses and am definitely > > interested in getting a 64-bit StackVM for some large data sets I'd like > to > > load in RAM for some experiments. > > > > If there are pointers given, I am willing to test the build on my box. > > > > Phil > > > > > > 2012/7/31 David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> > > > > > Hi Jannik, > > > > > > I am not a Mac user, and I have only ever done this on Linux, so I > cannot > > > promise that it will be easy. Possibly Esteban can give us some advice > > > here, > > > and correct my errors. Also, if you are going to try this, we may want > to > > > take the discussion to the vm-dev list. > > > > > > You will need to install the Mac tools for compiling Unix programs > (sorry > > > I do not know what this is called) and you will need to be able to > compile > > > programs using CMake and the gcc tools on a Mac. I know very little > about > > > this myself, but I'm sure others can give some tips. > > > > > > The actual VM that you will need to build will be an interpreter VM, > and > > > you will be building it with a preprocessor macro set to force use of > > > the 64-bit object format. The resulting VM will be slow compared to > what > > > you are used to with Cog, and it may not have all the features that you > > > would expect from a Mac VM (i.e. the VM that Esteban supports), but I > > > expect that it should work on Mac and that it would allow you to run a > > > 64-bit image prepared with the SystemTracer. > > > > > > As luck would have it, Ian Piumarta is in the process of updating the > unix > > > VM code right now, and this will make it easier to do the build for > 64-bit > > > images. I would say that we should wait a couple of days before > starting > > > any new work on this so that we have all of the latest updates. > > > > > > I'm not sure if this is something that you want to get into, and it is > not > > > what I would call "easy" ;) But if you want to try it I will do my best > > > to step you through the process. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 03:18:19PM +0200, jannik.laval wrote: > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > I begin with a small problem (is it ?): my os is the latest apple > macos. > > > > It seems that there is no squeak vm 64 for macos (I did not find it). > > > > > > > > How can I build one "easily" ? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jannik > > > > > > > > On Jul 24, 2012, at 2:04 PM, David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 09:27:49AM +0200, jannik.laval wrote: > > > > >> Hi Dave, > > > > >> > > > > >> Should I load the SystemTracer available on SqueakSource ? The > last > > > version is from 2011, and seems old, no ? > > > > >> When I try it, it calls some methods that do not exist in Pharo. > > > > >> > > > > >> Do you have more information on how to use it ? > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jannik, > > > > > > > > > > The system tracer is explained in the class comment of class > > > SystemTracer. > > > > > The comment was written by Dan Ingalls (I think), and gives credit > to > > > Ted > > > > > Kaehler as the inventor of the original. Class SystemTracer2 has > > > additional > > > > > documentation including how to run the trace. SystemTracer2 is a > newer > > > > > version that you will actually be using, so you can think of > > > SystemTracer > > > > > as the original reference implementation, while SystemTracer2 and > its > > > > > subclasses are variations on the original. SystemTracer64 is the > > > subclass > > > > > that implements conversion logic for copying 32-bit objects into > the > > > > > experimental 64-bit object memory format. This object format is > > > described > > > > > in the SystemTracer64 class comment, and more information is > available > > > at > > > > > http://squeakvm.org/squeak64. > > > > > > > > > > A system tracer will first put your image into a "quiet" mode, then > > > copy > > > > > and convert the running object memory to a new image file, and then > > > wake up > > > > > and return to normal. This is similar to saving your image and > > > restarting > > > > > from a disk file, except that the system tracer will trace your > object > > > > > memory to a new format rather than saving it unchanged. > > > > > > > > > > To trace your running image to a new 64-bit image file, you would > do > > > this: > > > > > > > > > > SystemTracer64 writeImage: 'new64bitImage.image' > > > > > > > > > > The last update I did to SystemTracer (SystemTracing-dtl.23) works > with > > > > > closure-enabled images, including Pharo at one time. I have a > 64-bit > > > > > Pharo 1.4 image that I made about a year and a half ago. I don't > know > > > > > what has changed in Pharo since then, so probably some updates > will be > > > > > needed, or possibly a Pharo-specific version. I know that others > on the > > > > > Pharo list have worked on this, so hopefully someone else can give > you > > > > > some pointers about that. > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Jannik Laval > > > > > > > > > > > > -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com iPhone Apps. http://www.wikiserver.com Twitter: squeaker68882 ===========================================================================

Aug. 1, 2012

[Pharo-project] We cannot remove package [was] Re: How to correctly remove a package for everywhere?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

So....again this problem. Please guys, this is a stop-the-world problem. We simply cannot remove packages. In http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6493 I removed lots of packages. The packages does not seem to appear, but classes are still present. For example, FLPackageStore is from the removed package FuelPackageLoader. However, if you browse that class it exists and it is under _UnpackagedPackage we really need to fix this. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > So removing 'System-Object Storage' didn't work. I did: > > ScriptLoader new deletePackageNamed: 'System-Object Storage'. > > Now the MCWorkingCopy is removed (I don't see the package in Monticello > Browser), but I can still browse the class DataStream, and the package is > available from Nautilus. > > Now if I do: > > RPackageOrganizer default unregisterPackageNamed: #'System-Object Storage' > > I don't see the package in Nautilus, but the class "DataStream" is still > alive. I can do "DataStream name -> #DataStream" ..et...when I browse it > with Nautilus I don't see the class but the category _UnpackagedPackage.. > > so...how the hell can I remove this package and class from everywhere in > the system? > > thanks > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Aug. 1, 2012