August 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] New feature in Nautilus

by Pavel Krivanek

'Create group window' in window menu is not good for you? -- Pavel On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > They don't make sense for you (and Mariano), but they make perfectly sense for me :) > In fact, scrolling window also hides methods, so... what's the problem? I would prefer to have most of my methods in tabs, just because I want to edit all together... not because I want to see them at the same time (btw, a "save all button" wold be great too). > And yes, I know there is groups for that... but I hate groups and, as you say, I love tabs... so... give me tabs and just don't use them yourself! :P > > Esteban > > On Aug 6, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Tabs do not make sense since they do not allow to see multiple method at the same time >> I know you are in love with tabs, but not for this ;) >> >> Ben >> >> >> On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> >>> >>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> - I would also love different display layouts to choose: horizontal, vertical, rows/columns, etc :) >>> >>> tabs :) >>> >>> >> >> > >

Aug. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] OComplection

by Esteban Lorenzano

OCompletion works fine for me. And is much more valuable for me than EC... yes we can (and need) improve it, but I don't want to drop OC. Is the same case of nautilus many-methods and tabs. Just because you don't find the function valuable, that does not means that it is not worthy for anybody :) Esteban On Aug 6, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > the more time I spend with OCompletion the more I think it's the wrong model: > > NECompletion provides in many cases way better / quicker results > > NOCompletion does tons of magic to increase the chances of a correct hit, > neglecting > - self sends > - super sends > - ClassSends > > which is basically the main source for getting nice input... > > I think NOCompletion should be removed. The only thing that might maintain > is a Database which will give back a date for a given selector so we can > sort them accordingly. But IMO that can be solved muuuuch easier. > > > Things against NOCompletion: > - not documentation whatsoever (no class comments no comments no categories... nada) > - totally breaks type completion (self sends usw...) > - duplication of NECompletion... > > Since I don't see anybody maintaining this dead body we should remove it > from the system!

Aug. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] New feature in Nautilus

by Esteban Lorenzano

They don't make sense for you (and Mariano), but they make perfectly sense for me :) In fact, scrolling window also hides methods, so... what's the problem? I would prefer to have most of my methods in tabs, just because I want to edit all together... not because I want to see them at the same time (btw, a "save all button" wold be great too). And yes, I know there is groups for that... but I hate groups and, as you say, I love tabs... so... give me tabs and just don't use them yourself! :P Esteban On Aug 6, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Tabs do not make sense since they do not allow to see multiple method at the same time > I know you are in love with tabs, but not for this ;) > > Ben > > > On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > >> >> On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> - I would also love different display layouts to choose: horizontal, vertical, rows/columns, etc :) >> >> tabs :) >> >> > >

Aug. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] OComplection

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> the more time I spend with OCompletion the more I think it's the wrong model: > > NECompletion provides in many cases way better / quicker results > > NOCompletion does tons of magic to increase the chances of a correct hit, > neglecting > - self sends > - super sends > - ClassSends > > which is basically the main source for getting nice input... > > I think NOCompletion should be removed. The only thing that might maintain > is a Database which will give back a date for a given selector so we can > sort them accordingly. But IMO that can be solved muuuuch easier. > > > Things against NOCompletion: > - not documentation whatsoever (no class comments no comments no categories... nada) > - totally breaks type completion (self sends usw...) > - duplication of NECompletion... > > Since I don't see anybody maintaining this dead body we should remove it > from the system! Why not but do we get the most recently typed because this is cool to have Stef

Aug. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] New feature in Nautilus

by Benjamin

Tabs do not make sense since they do not allow to see multiple method at the same time I know you are in love with tabs, but not for this ;) Ben On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> - I would also love different display layouts to choose: horizontal, vertical, rows/columns, etc :) > > tabs :) > >

Aug. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] New feature in Nautilus

by Benjamin

Because the software I use for caption provide mov by default, and it was 2am :) Moreover, I do not have a youtube account :) Ben On Aug 6, 2012, at 6:42 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > Not able to display it on small device. > Why *.mov format and not something easily accessible > like putting it on youtube, vimeo, ...? > > Thx > T. > >

Aug. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] ss3 down

by Esteban Lorenzano

no, is working again On Aug 6, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > looks down... :( > > http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ss3.gemstone.com

Aug. 6, 2012

[Pharo-project] ss3 down

by Esteban Lorenzano

looks down... :( http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ss3.gemstone.com

Aug. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] New feature in Nautilus

by Esteban Lorenzano

On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > - I would also love different display layouts to choose: horizontal, vertical, rows/columns, etc :) tabs :)

Aug. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] New feature in Nautilus

by Erwan Douaille

It looks cool ! 2012/8/6 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:06 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Ben >> >> this is gorgeous :) >> simply gorgeous. >> This opens a lot of possibilities. >> >> > I hope you will enjoy it, and as usual if you have cool ideas, let me >> know ;) >> of course I do :) >> - I imagine that we will be able to have multiple methods not >> compiled so the red border/corner should be more important. >> - Now may be when a method is pinned down we should get a slight >> grey background. >> - right clicking on a method could open and pin automatically a >> method. >> - I should try it. >> one important point is to now where a free (non pinned >> method will show up) >> - may be we should use the coral syntax for methods >> or add decoration so that we know in which class the method >> belongs to >> Point>>extent: >> [ >> ] >> because the help text is not that efficient to show the location >> > > - I would also love different display layouts to choose: horizontal, > vertical, rows/columns, etc :) > > >> >> - may be t would be good to have a way not to open extra methods when we >> have already 3 or 4 but to replace a free one. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> >> > Hello guys :) >> > >> > I just wanted to show you the new feature I just finished to implement >> into Nautilus: the multi methods edition >> > >> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24369478/MultiMethods.mov >> > >> > The video is quite short (1min) but it will be integrated soon in the >> image so ;) >> > >> > Some explanation: >> > - now you can "pin" a text area, it will "freeze" the context, so >> you can edit it and save it without problems >> > - you can have a many as wanted >> > - the scroll pane is a bit clever to always keep the maximum size >> for the current edition (but there are splitters, so you can set it as you >> want) >> > - you can "unpin" a text area, and it closes it (to add: check if >> there are pending changes) >> > - the glitch about the color is the video has been fixed already >> (but I am too lazy to make another video ^^) >> > - the frozen area get a help text which tells the method the >> source code comes from >> > - the corresponding button have the same help text >> > - clicking on the button jump to the method >> > >> > >> > >> > Ben >> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > -- Best regards, Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com>

Aug. 6, 2012