July 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] update on the consortium poll

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi pharoers Here is so far the state of replies I compiled. If I miss you or misclassified tell me. By end of July I will build a case to ask for INRIA support. So I will refresh this list and group mails to build a convincing case. Pharo2.0 is going in the right direction. With a mini core, vector graphics, ssh, it is starting to be a nice platform for new challenges. Thanks you all for your trust. Stef So far 4000 gold 8000 silver 5000 bronze 500 sponsor 2500 individual plus 480 individual -------------------- 20480 Euros Gold (4000) RMOD 4000 Silver (2000) 2Denker http://www.Synectique.eu Sanders Cameron company 2Rivers 8000 Bronze (1000) Andy bunnett company Eggermont company MAD-Environment www.FinWorks.biz netStyle.ch 5000 Sponsors (500) Caeasar Systems (May be IMUS)?? 500 Indivudual golden (100) Stephane Ducasse Marcus Denker Schmiedl Miguel Coba Alexandre Bergel Krish Brodbeck (may be bronze) Goran Vasic Guillermo Polito Norbert Harlt Mark Smith Lorenzo schiavina Daniel Galdames Leandro Caniglia Francois Stephany Sean De Nigris John O'Keefe Tudor Girba Luc Fabresse Florent Arrignon Lawrence Trutter Sabine Knofel Yann Monclair Henrik Johanssen Hernan Wilkinson (or bronze to be defined) 2500 Normal 40 Bill schwab Herve verjus Damien cassou McLeod Max Leske Phil Back (bronze may be) Yanni Chiu Andrea BrÃ¼hlmann Stefan Reichhart Niklaus Lutz Max Leske Simon Jakovina 480

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] I added a german wikipedia article on pharo.

by Marcus Denker

On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Helene Bilbo wrote: > > Sean P. DeNigris wrote >> >> > Pharo, as a Smalltalk is "a powerful information system... that can grow as > the user's ideas grow.". It is composed of a Programming Language - "an > interface between the models in the human mind and those in computing > hardware" - and a User Interface, which "matches the human communication > system to that of the computer" (quotes from the Blue Book). As a live, > open, dynamic environment, it is much more than just "a programming > language", which is why straight syntax comparisons to other languages miss > the point. > > > Yes you are right, of course. This should be taken into account in a > wikipedia entry. > > What my question was about, was rather: Is is still Smalltalk? Right now I think it is. There is not much different. There are Traits, but else... > And i ask, > because the first line on the Pharo homepage says itâs: > "Smalltalk-inspiredâ. The idea is that if Pharo is Smalltak, it will always be Smalltalk. We can not move on. If it is Smalltalk Inspired, we can take the *ideas* behind Smalltalk and seriously move forward. E.g. take the Slots. Smalltalk has no first class Slots, Pharo will. If Pharo would *be* Smalltalk it could not. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Athens Mac os doc like animation

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jul 5, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > ok.. > > 1. fixed FFI dependency, just try to load same config of athens over again > (if in fresh image).. > > 2. the plugin search path change was not committed, we checked that > with Esteban, > neither NBCog, nor vanilla Cog VMs see freetype plugin.. > lets wait till jenkins produce a new VM buildsâ¦ Ok I really want to have fun with athens so tell when this is ok :) Stef

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] I added a german wikipedia article on pharo.

by Helene Bilbo

Sean P. DeNigris wrote > > Pharo, as a Smalltalk is "a powerful information system... that can grow as the user's ideas grow.". It is composed of a Programming Language - "an interface between the models in the human mind and those in computing hardware" - and a User Interface, which "matches the human communication system to that of the computer" (quotes from the Blue Book). As a live, open, dynamic environment, it is much more than just "a programming language", which is why straight syntax comparisons to other languages miss the point. Yes you are right, of course. This should be taken into account in a wikipedia entry. What my question was about, was rather: Is is still Smalltalk? And i ask, because the first line on the Pharo homepage says itâs: "Smalltalk-inspiredâ. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/I-added-a-german-wikipedia-article-on-pharo-tp4638330… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub

by Goubier Thierry

Dale, thanks. I'd be happy to be able to use that; I'll have a look to test that. Thierry Le 04/07/2012 17:21, Dale Henrichs a Ã©crit : > Dennis, > > Of course not ... There are tons of resources that we Smalltalkers use that are not "turtles all the way down" ... What issue tracker is used by Pharo? When you download your pharo image and changes file is that web-site a Smalltalk site? > > Right now, the combination of git/github is superior to anything written in Smalltalk. Have you taken a look at the most excellent collaboration features available on github? GitHub is used by over a million developers and they are constantly adding new features/capabilities ... > > Do I think that everyone should drop what they are doing and move to git/github? NO! > > If you want to provide a Smalltalk-based solution that is superior to git/github, I say "get cracking"! We've been in need of a replacement for SqueakSource for at 2-3 years now, but github sets the bar pretty high:) > > I and a few others (Cami and Max Leske) are working on opening up the world of git/github to the Smalltalk community. The work we are doing is firmly grounded in Monticello and when it is done, you should have an experience that isn't much different than using the MonticelloBrowser and SqueakSource today ... > > As Stef and Sven have indicated it's not quite ready... > > FileTree[1] is ready right now, but to use it you must do your git operations from the command line ... Also, if you want other developers to have easy access to your Monticello packages, you still have to publish them as .mcz files. A bit painful, but I've been doing most of my development since January this way... > > I am currently working on a release of Metacello[2] that will be git/github aware. When ready, you will be able to use git/github for your development and publish a Metacello configuration referencing your project on GitHub without having to publish separate .mcz files. And developers using your project won't have to understand git/github as the Monticello packages will be downloaded by Metacello. > > I've created a sample project[3] that you can load into your image, if you want to get an idea what the GitHub support will look like. > > The FSGit project[4] that Cami referred to will provide image-level support for manipulating git and github. > > The Cypress project[5] is a project for sharing Smalltalk source code across multiple Smalltalk dialects. Currently there are 6 Smalltalk dialects that can not only share Smalltalk source code, but use git/github as the common SCM: > > - Pharo > - Squeak > - GemStone > - VW > - Amber > - Cuis > > I encourage you to take a look at my STIC presentation on "Practical Git for Smalltalk"[6] for some more background info (sorry the video isn't available yet). > > If you interested in following the progress of the projects, keep an eye on the Metacello mailing list[7]. I should have a preview version of Metacello available within a couple of weeks...Contributors are also welcome! > > Dale > > [1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/filetree/blob/pharo1.3/README.md > [2] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work > [3] https://github.com/dalehenrich/sample/blob/master/README.md > [4] https://github.com/dalehenrich/FSGit > [5] https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/Cypress/blob/master/README.md > [6] http://portal.sliderocket.com/vmware/STIC-2012-Practical-Git-for-Smalltalk > [7] http://forum.world.st/Monticello-Metacello-f1460836.html > ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Dennis Schetinin" <chaetal(a)gmail.com> > | To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > | Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 5:09:54 AM > | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub > | > | > | Am I wrong considering migration to Git-or-AnythingElseTextOriented > | to be a give up on hopes for a real object-oriented source > | control/management as it could and should be in Smalltalk? > | > | > | > | Best regards, > | Dennis Schetinin > | Sent with Sparrow > | > | > | > | On Wednesday, 4 July 2012 Ð³. at 16:02, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > | > | > | > | > | > | > | On 04 Jul 2012, at 13:50, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > | > | > | > | > | > | I am using Mercurial for all of the other projects and technologies. > | > | > | With a full copy of everything locally, it helps indeed when we get > | crashes... > | > | > | But GIT/Hg isn't giving you the change sorter. > | > | > | I have used/tried FileTree/Git(hub) a bit and it is cool and it > | works. > | But I do miss (tools) integration in the image. > | The workflow also changes a bit, it is no longer all Smalltalk. > | > | > | IMHO it is not yet quite ready. > | > | > | Sven > | > | > > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub

by Goubier Thierry

Le 04/07/2012 17:50, Dale Henrichs a Ã©crit : > Yes, > > FileTree is actually modeling the Monticello definition structure on disk ... git does a very good job of tracking changes at the method level when methods are stored in separate files (it recognizes method renames) ... Well, there is still the fact that : - One version of Filetree over the past months changed the name of the directory from PackageName to PackageName.package; kind of messed up the git history tracking... - And git really likes to do git add for all the new files that appears on a regular basis. It still shows that the Smalltalk/via Filetree model isn't the one git expects, but we do benefit from it. I'm also not certain git would follow class renames. > multiple files makes reading source on disk a bit awkward, but that's what we've got the Smalltalk image for ... how many people out there unzip their .mcz files to read Smalltalk source? Me! I do open .mcz files at times; I appreciate the fact it's as easy as clicking on it and then search into the produced files. The fact that Linux recognize them as zip archives helps, too. Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20184

by Marcus Denker

On Jul 5, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > I just tried the update and it seems fine. > > Thanks a lot, Marcus. > > I known I have been testing your patience by messing up a bit ;-) > No problem! Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

July 5, 2012

[Pharo-project] The monkey ...

by Torsten Bergmann

Guille wrote >That was integrated 4 versions ago :) Only #6138 was integrated. #6139 not yet - see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6139

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] I would really like to get a structured logging framework for Pharo

by GÃ¶ran Krampe

On 05/17/2012 03:43 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > So what are the candidates? > Does anybody has experience with toothpick since it is MIT and even have a documentation (I will probably write chapter on it to understand it). Another simple variant for you to look at could be SimpleLog I made when I wanted something that is easy to learn and use: http://map.squeak.org/packagebyname/SimpleLog ...I modelled the levels after the good old syslog levels. And it has a syslog "emitter" that can log using UDP to a syslog daemon. I think it is important for a very simple API since otherwise people don't take the time to learn and use a logging framework. I recall looking at Toothpick but I think I felt it was complicated? My memory may be off. regards, GÃ¶ran

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] The monkey ...

by Guillermo Polito

That was integrated 4 versions ago :). Now, about the extra state for unexpected monkey failures, I think we can tag issues with whatever tag we want, even if they are not configured in the engine. But the creator must make himself responsible of doing that... Something like "ManualReviewNeeded" probably... Guille On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Looks like our monkey is not able to read important notes before filing in > changeset ;) > > see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6139 > > > IMPORTANT NOTE: > =============== > The fix is using an utility method from the fix for isse #6138 > Therefore the attached fix requires "ProposedFix.cs" from > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6138 > > Please check manually. > > Can we have an issue state: THE_MONKEY_RUNS_OUT_OF_BANANA > so they get integrated > > I tested on different machines - IMHO the fixes for > #6138 and #6139 are safe to integrate. > > Thx > T. > >

July 5, 2012