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Re: [Pharo-project] Athens Mac os doc like animation

by Igor Stasenko

On 5 July 2012 11:55, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 5 July 2012 11:48, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 5 July 2012 11:02, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> On Jul 5, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>> >>>> ok.. >>>> >>>> 1. fixed FFI dependency, just try to load same config of athens over again >>>> (if in fresh image).. >>>> >>>> 2. the plugin search path change was not committed, we checked that >>>> with Esteban, >>>> neither NBCog, nor vanilla Cog VMs see freetype plugin.. >>>> lets wait till jenkins produce a new VM buildsâ¦ >>> >>> Ok I really want to have fun with athens so tell when this is ok :) >>> >>> Stef >> >> ok, the latest VM build seems to be working. >> what i did: >> 1. download VM [ >> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/NativeBoost/job/NB-Cog-Mac-Cocoa/28/ar… >> ] >> 2. downloaded 2.0 image >> 3. loaded ConfigurationOfAthens >> >> 4. doit: ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion: '1.2.1' >> >> 5: doit: AthensFlakeDemo new openInWorld >> >> and it works , as in here: https://vimeo.com/45137985 >> >> :) >> > and then i loaded > ConfigurationOfXMLSupport from config browser, ah, yes.. missing "loaded Athens-SVG" step here ... > filed in the > ASAnimation.st > then > ASZoomerMorph.st > > and then did > > ASZoomerMorph new > svg: 'Coche_ok_verte.svg' zoom: 0.1; > openInWorld > > and here what i got (see attached) > > >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Pharo a Smalltalk or Smalltalk inspired? (was I added a german wikipedia article on pharo)

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 05 Jul 2012, at 11:44, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > Hi guys, > > On 05. 07. 2012 11:07, Marcus Denker wrote: >> On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Helene Bilbo wrote: > >>> And i ask, >>> because the first line on the Pharo homepage says itâs: >>> "Smalltalk-inspiredâ. > >> The idea is that if Pharo is Smalltak, it will always be Smalltalk. We can not move >> on. If it is Smalltalk Inspired, we can take the *ideas* behind Smalltalk and seriously >> move forward. >> >> E.g. take the Slots. Smalltalk has no first class Slots, Pharo will. If Pharo would *be* Smalltalk >> it could not. > > Why not rather move all Smalltalk forward instead? Good ideas from Pharo > should be communicated to other Smalltalks. And vice versa - good ideas > from other Smalltalks should be studied and put in Pharo. But Pharo > should stay Smalltalk, not 'Smalltalk inspired'. > > Please, don't divide Smalltalk community but act as much as possible in > joint spirit! Which of course doesn't mean that moving forward is > necessary. And I also don't see why you cannot move forward and stay > Smalltalk? Certainly not from a Slots example. > > If Pharo will try to distance from Smalltalk rather than contribute and > improve it, I'm sure many of us will rethink if Pharo is worth > supporting or not. But you have to read what Marcus said: Smalltalk could be and/or is defined by Smalltalk-80 and an ANSI spec. If we say that Pharo conforms to that, any of the very useful improvements being proposed will always be stopped in their tracks because the changes are not compatible with these old defacto standards. Pharo was started explicitely to avoid that. For most casual observers I think it will remain Smalltalk. Sven

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Athens Mac os doc like animation

by Igor Stasenko

On 5 July 2012 11:48, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 5 July 2012 11:02, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Jul 5, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> ok.. >>> >>> 1. fixed FFI dependency, just try to load same config of athens over again >>> (if in fresh image).. >>> >>> 2. the plugin search path change was not committed, we checked that >>> with Esteban, >>> neither NBCog, nor vanilla Cog VMs see freetype plugin.. >>> lets wait till jenkins produce a new VM buildsâ¦ >> >> Ok I really want to have fun with athens so tell when this is ok :) >> >> Stef > > ok, the latest VM build seems to be working. > what i did: > 1. download VM [ > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/NativeBoost/job/NB-Cog-Mac-Cocoa/28/ar… > ] > 2. downloaded 2.0 image > 3. loaded ConfigurationOfAthens > > 4. doit: ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion: '1.2.1' > > 5: doit: AthensFlakeDemo new openInWorld > > and it works , as in here: https://vimeo.com/45137985 > > :) > and then i loaded ConfigurationOfXMLSupport from config browser, filed in the ASAnimation.st then ASZoomerMorph.st and then did ASZoomerMorph new svg: 'Coche_ok_verte.svg' zoom: 0.1; openInWorld and here what i got (see attached) > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Pharo a Smalltalk or Smalltalk inspired? (was I added a german wikipedia article on pharo)

by Damien Cassou

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > Why not rather move all Smalltalk forward instead? Good ideas from Pharo > should be communicated to other Smalltalks. And vice versa - good ideas > from other Smalltalks should be studied and put in Pharo. But Pharo > should stay Smalltalk, not 'Smalltalk inspired'. I think we just don't all have the definition of "Smalltalk". If "Smalltalk" means the ANSI standard then Pharo will take the spririt of Smalltalk but won't be a Smalltalk anymore as it won't be compatible with the standard. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Athens Mac os doc like animation

by Igor Stasenko

On 5 July 2012 11:02, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Jul 5, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> ok.. >> >> 1. fixed FFI dependency, just try to load same config of athens over again >> (if in fresh image).. >> >> 2. the plugin search path change was not committed, we checked that >> with Esteban, >> neither NBCog, nor vanilla Cog VMs see freetype plugin.. >> lets wait till jenkins produce a new VM buildsâ¦ > > Ok I really want to have fun with athens so tell when this is ok :) > > Stef ok, the latest VM build seems to be working. what i did: 1. download VM [ https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/NativeBoost/job/NB-Cog-Mac-Cocoa/28/ar… ] 2. downloaded 2.0 image 3. loaded ConfigurationOfAthens 4. doit: ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion: '1.2.1' 5: doit: AthensFlakeDemo new openInWorld and it works , as in here: https://vimeo.com/45137985 :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] update on the consortium poll

by Max Leske

You got me listed twice though (both times as normal member). On 05.07.2012, at 11:41, Igor Stasenko wrote: > and me too. > i don't like to be wear a "golden" title .. but i have no choice :) > > On 5 July 2012 11:31, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> hey! I'm still not figure on that list! :) >> >> On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:19 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> Hi pharoers >>> >>> Here is so far the state of replies I compiled. If I miss you or misclassified tell me. >>> By end of July I will build a case to ask for INRIA support. So I will refresh this list and group mails to build a convincing case. >>> Pharo2.0 is going in the right direction. With a mini core, vector graphics, ssh, it is starting to be a nice platform for new challenges. >>> Thanks you all for your trust. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> So far >>> 4000 gold >>> 8000 silver >>> 5000 bronze >>> 500 sponsor >>> 2500 individual plus >>> 480 individual >>> -------------------- >>> 20480 Euros >>> >>> >>> Gold (4000) >>> RMOD 4000 >>> >>> Silver (2000) >>> 2Denker >>> http://www.Synectique.eu >>> Sanders Cameron company >>> 2Rivers >>> 8000 >>> >>> Bronze (1000) >>> Andy bunnett company >>> Eggermont company >>> MAD-Environment >>> www.FinWorks.biz >>> netStyle.ch >>> 5000 >>> >>> Sponsors (500) >>> Caeasar Systems >>> (May be IMUS)?? >>> 500 >>> >>> Indivudual golden (100) >>> Stephane Ducasse >>> Marcus Denker >>> Schmiedl >>> Miguel Coba >>> Alexandre Bergel >>> >>> Krish >>> Brodbeck (may be bronze) >>> Goran Vasic >>> Guillermo Polito >>> Norbert Harlt >>> >>> Mark Smith >>> Lorenzo schiavina >>> Daniel Galdames >>> Leandro Caniglia >>> Francois Stephany >>> >>> Sean De Nigris >>> John O'Keefe >>> Tudor Girba >>> Luc Fabresse >>> Florent Arrignon >>> >>> Lawrence Trutter >>> Sabine Knofel >>> Yann Monclair >>> Henrik Johanssen >>> Hernan Wilkinson (or bronze to be defined) >>> >>> 2500 >>> Normal 40 >>> Bill schwab >>> Herve verjus >>> Damien cassou >>> McLeod >>> Max Leske >>> >>> Phil Back (bronze may be) >>> Yanni Chiu >>> Andrea BrÃ¼hlmann >>> Stefan Reichhart >>> Niklaus Lutz >>> >>> Max Leske >>> Simon Jakovina >>> 480 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

July 5, 2012

[Pharo-project] Is Pharo a Smalltalk or Smalltalk inspired? (was I added a german wikipedia article on pharo)

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Hi guys, On 05. 07. 2012 11:07, Marcus Denker wrote: > On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Helene Bilbo wrote: >> And i ask, >> because the first line on the Pharo homepage says itâs: >> "Smalltalk-inspiredâ. > The idea is that if Pharo is Smalltak, it will always be Smalltalk. We can not move > on. If it is Smalltalk Inspired, we can take the *ideas* behind Smalltalk and seriously > move forward. > > E.g. take the Slots. Smalltalk has no first class Slots, Pharo will. If Pharo would *be* Smalltalk > it could not. Why not rather move all Smalltalk forward instead? Good ideas from Pharo should be communicated to other Smalltalks. And vice versa - good ideas from other Smalltalks should be studied and put in Pharo. But Pharo should stay Smalltalk, not 'Smalltalk inspired'. Please, don't divide Smalltalk community but act as much as possible in joint spirit! Which of course doesn't mean that moving forward is necessary. And I also don't see why you cannot move forward and stay Smalltalk? Certainly not from a Slots example. If Pharo will try to distance from Smalltalk rather than contribute and improve it, I'm sure many of us will rethink if Pharo is worth supporting or not. Best regards Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] update on the consortium poll

by Igor Stasenko

and me too. i don't like to be wear a "golden" title .. but i have no choice :) On 5 July 2012 11:31, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > hey! I'm still not figure on that list! :) > > On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:19 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi pharoers >> >> Here is so far the state of replies I compiled. If I miss you or misclassified tell me. >> By end of July I will build a case to ask for INRIA support. So I will refresh this list and group mails to build a convincing case. >> Pharo2.0 is going in the right direction. With a mini core, vector graphics, ssh, it is starting to be a nice platform for new challenges. >> Thanks you all for your trust. >> >> Stef >> >> So far >> 4000 gold >> 8000 silver >> 5000 bronze >> 500 sponsor >> 2500 individual plus >> 480 individual >> -------------------- >> 20480 Euros >> >> >> Gold (4000) >> RMOD 4000 >> >> Silver (2000) >> 2Denker >> http://www.Synectique.eu >> Sanders Cameron company >> 2Rivers >> 8000 >> >> Bronze (1000) >> Andy bunnett company >> Eggermont company >> MAD-Environment >> www.FinWorks.biz >> netStyle.ch >> 5000 >> >> Sponsors (500) >> Caeasar Systems >> (May be IMUS)?? >> 500 >> >> Indivudual golden (100) >> Stephane Ducasse >> Marcus Denker >> Schmiedl >> Miguel Coba >> Alexandre Bergel >> >> Krish >> Brodbeck (may be bronze) >> Goran Vasic >> Guillermo Polito >> Norbert Harlt >> >> Mark Smith >> Lorenzo schiavina >> Daniel Galdames >> Leandro Caniglia >> Francois Stephany >> >> Sean De Nigris >> John O'Keefe >> Tudor Girba >> Luc Fabresse >> Florent Arrignon >> >> Lawrence Trutter >> Sabine Knofel >> Yann Monclair >> Henrik Johanssen >> Hernan Wilkinson (or bronze to be defined) >> >> 2500 >> Normal 40 >> Bill schwab >> Herve verjus >> Damien cassou >> McLeod >> Max Leske >> >> Phil Back (bronze may be) >> Yanni Chiu >> Andrea BrÃ¼hlmann >> Stefan Reichhart >> Niklaus Lutz >> >> Max Leske >> Simon Jakovina >> 480 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] The monkey ...

by Camillo Bruni

use the blocked-on feature of the google issue tracker. the monkey won't touch the issue until the other one has been integrated :) On 2012-07-05, at 08:46, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > Looks like our monkey is not able to read important notes before filing in changeset ;) > > see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6139 > > > IMPORTANT NOTE: > =============== > The fix is using an utility method from the fix for isse #6138 > Therefore the attached fix requires "ProposedFix.cs" from http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6138 > > Please check manually. > > Can we have an issue state: THE_MONKEY_RUNS_OUT_OF_BANANA > so they get integrated > > I tested on different machines - IMHO the fixes for > #6138 and #6139 are safe to integrate. > > Thx > T. >

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] update on the consortium poll

by Esteban Lorenzano

hey! I'm still not figure on that list! :) On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:19 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi pharoers > > Here is so far the state of replies I compiled. If I miss you or misclassified tell me. > By end of July I will build a case to ask for INRIA support. So I will refresh this list and group mails to build a convincing case. > Pharo2.0 is going in the right direction. With a mini core, vector graphics, ssh, it is starting to be a nice platform for new challenges. > Thanks you all for your trust. > > Stef > > So far > 4000 gold > 8000 silver > 5000 bronze > 500 sponsor > 2500 individual plus > 480 individual > -------------------- > 20480 Euros > > > Gold (4000) > RMOD 4000 > > Silver (2000) > 2Denker > http://www.Synectique.eu > Sanders Cameron company > 2Rivers > 8000 > > Bronze (1000) > Andy bunnett company > Eggermont company > MAD-Environment > www.FinWorks.biz > netStyle.ch > 5000 > > Sponsors (500) > Caeasar Systems > (May be IMUS)?? > 500 > > Indivudual golden (100) > Stephane Ducasse > Marcus Denker > Schmiedl > Miguel Coba > Alexandre Bergel > > Krish > Brodbeck (may be bronze) > Goran Vasic > Guillermo Polito > Norbert Harlt > > Mark Smith > Lorenzo schiavina > Daniel Galdames > Leandro Caniglia > Francois Stephany > > Sean De Nigris > John O'Keefe > Tudor Girba > Luc Fabresse > Florent Arrignon > > Lawrence Trutter > Sabine Knofel > Yann Monclair > Henrik Johanssen > Hernan Wilkinson (or bronze to be defined) > > 2500 > Normal 40 > Bill schwab > Herve verjus > Damien cassou > McLeod > Max Leske > > Phil Back (bronze may be) > Yanni Chiu > Andrea BrÃ¼hlmann > Stefan Reichhart > Niklaus Lutz > > Max Leske > Simon Jakovina > 480 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

July 5, 2012