July 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Spec version 1.0

by Alexandre Bergel

This is cool, indeed! We already have Versionner running on Spec (as well as Glamour). Alexandre On Jun 21, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote >> >> I am glad to announce the version 1.0 of Spec which introduce a couple of >> nice features like: >> > > Really cool!! > > And great documentation :) It was thorough and clear, except maybe using â > could be confusing... > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Spec-version-1-0-tp4635822p4635950.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] update on the consortium poll

by Jan van de Sandt

I'll be a gold individual sponsor On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Nick Ager <nick.ager(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'll be a gold individual sponsor > > > On 5 July 2012 10:47, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> You got me listed twice though (both times as normal member). >> >> On 05.07.2012, at 11:41, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >> > and me too. >> > i don't like to be wear a "golden" title .. but i have no choice :) >> > >> > On 5 July 2012 11:31, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> hey! I'm still not figure on that list! :) >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:19 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi pharoers >> >>> >> >>> Here is so far the state of replies I compiled. If I miss you or >> misclassified tell me. >> >>> By end of July I will build a case to ask for INRIA support. So I >> will refresh this list and group mails to build a convincing case. >> >>> Pharo2.0 is going in the right direction. With a mini core, vector >> graphics, ssh, it is starting to be a nice platform for new challenges. >> >>> Thanks you all for your trust. >> >>> >> >>> Stef >> >>> >> >>> So far >> >>> 4000 gold >> >>> 8000 silver >> >>> 5000 bronze >> >>> 500 sponsor >> >>> 2500 individual plus >> >>> 480 individual >> >>> -------------------- >> >>> 20480 Euros >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Gold (4000) >> >>> RMOD 4000 >> >>> >> >>> Silver (2000) >> >>> 2Denker >> >>> http://www.Synectique.eu >> >>> Sanders Cameron company >> >>> 2Rivers >> >>> 8000 >> >>> >> >>> Bronze (1000) >> >>> Andy bunnett company >> >>> Eggermont company >> >>> MAD-Environment >> >>> www.FinWorks.biz >> >>> netStyle.ch >> >>> 5000 >> >>> >> >>> Sponsors (500) >> >>> Caeasar Systems >> >>> (May be IMUS)?? >> >>> 500 >> >>> >> >>> Indivudual golden (100) >> >>> Stephane Ducasse >> >>> Marcus Denker >> >>> Schmiedl >> >>> Miguel Coba >> >>> Alexandre Bergel >> >>> >> >>> Krish >> >>> Brodbeck (may be bronze) >> >>> Goran Vasic >> >>> Guillermo Polito >> >>> Norbert Harlt >> >>> >> >>> Mark Smith >> >>> Lorenzo schiavina >> >>> Daniel Galdames >> >>> Leandro Caniglia >> >>> Francois Stephany >> >>> >> >>> Sean De Nigris >> >>> John O'Keefe >> >>> Tudor Girba >> >>> Luc Fabresse >> >>> Florent Arrignon >> >>> >> >>> Lawrence Trutter >> >>> Sabine Knofel >> >>> Yann Monclair >> >>> Henrik Johanssen >> >>> Hernan Wilkinson (or bronze to be defined) >> >>> >> >>> 2500 >> >>> Normal 40 >> >>> Bill schwab >> >>> Herve verjus >> >>> Damien cassou >> >>> McLeod >> >>> Max Leske >> >>> >> >>> Phil Back (bronze may be) >> >>> Yanni Chiu >> >>> Andrea BrÃ¼hlmann >> >>> Stefan Reichhart >> >>> Niklaus Lutz >> >>> >> >>> Max Leske >> >>> Simon Jakovina >> >>> 480 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Esug-list mailing list >> >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Best regards, >> > Igor Stasenko. >> > >> >> >> >

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Pharo a Smalltalk or Smalltalk inspired? (was I added a german wikipedia article on pharo)

by Marcus Denker

On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> If Pharo will try to distance from Smalltalk rather than contribute and >> improve it, I'm sure many of us will rethink if Pharo is worth >> supporting or not. > > But you have to read what Marcus said: Smalltalk could be and/or is defined by Smalltalk-80 and an ANSI spec. If we say that Pharo conforms to that, any of the very useful improvements being proposed will always be stopped in their tracks because the changes are not compatible with these old defacto standards. Pharo was started explicitely to avoid that. > > For most casual observers I think it will remain Smalltalk Yes, this is what I wanted to say. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-consortium] update on the consortium poll

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Beta Nine will be a Bronze Organization sponsor. I will be an Individual Golden/Professional sponsor as well. It is great to see so much enthusiasm ! Sven On 05 Jul 2012, at 11:19, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi pharoers > > Here is so far the state of replies I compiled. If I miss you or misclassified tell me. > By end of July I will build a case to ask for INRIA support. So I will refresh this list and group mails to build a convincing case. > Pharo2.0 is going in the right direction. With a mini core, vector graphics, ssh, it is starting to be a nice platform for new challenges. > Thanks you all for your trust. > > Stef > > So far > 4000 gold > 8000 silver > 5000 bronze > 500 sponsor > 2500 individual plus > 480 individual > -------------------- > 20480 Euros > > > Gold (4000) > RMOD 4000 > > Silver (2000) > 2Denker > http://www.Synectique.eu > Sanders Cameron company > 2Rivers > 8000 > > Bronze (1000) > Andy bunnett company > Eggermont company > MAD-Environment > www.FinWorks.biz > netStyle.ch > 5000 > > Sponsors (500) > Caeasar Systems > (May be IMUS)?? > 500 > > Indivudual golden (100) > Stephane Ducasse > Marcus Denker > Schmiedl > Miguel Coba > Alexandre Bergel > > Krish > Brodbeck (may be bronze) > Goran Vasic > Guillermo Polito > Norbert Harlt > > Mark Smith > Lorenzo schiavina > Daniel Galdames > Leandro Caniglia > Francois Stephany > > Sean De Nigris > John O'Keefe > Tudor Girba > Luc Fabresse > Florent Arrignon > > Lawrence Trutter > Sabine Knofel > Yann Monclair > Henrik Johanssen > Hernan Wilkinson (or bronze to be defined) > > 2500 > Normal 40 > Bill schwab > Herve verjus > Damien cassou > McLeod > Max Leske > > Phil Back (bronze may be) > Yanni Chiu > Andrea BrÃ¼hlmann > Stefan Reichhart > Niklaus Lutz > > Max Leske > Simon Jakovina > 480 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-consortium mailing list > Pharo-consortium(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-consortium

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] update on the consortium poll

by Nick Ager

I'll be a gold individual sponsor On 5 July 2012 10:47, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > You got me listed twice though (both times as normal member). > > On 05.07.2012, at 11:41, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > > and me too. > > i don't like to be wear a "golden" title .. but i have no choice :) > > > > On 5 July 2012 11:31, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> hey! I'm still not figure on that list! :) > >> > >> On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:19 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> > >>> Hi pharoers > >>> > >>> Here is so far the state of replies I compiled. If I miss you or > misclassified tell me. > >>> By end of July I will build a case to ask for INRIA support. So I will > refresh this list and group mails to build a convincing case. > >>> Pharo2.0 is going in the right direction. With a mini core, vector > graphics, ssh, it is starting to be a nice platform for new challenges. > >>> Thanks you all for your trust. > >>> > >>> Stef > >>> > >>> So far > >>> 4000 gold > >>> 8000 silver > >>> 5000 bronze > >>> 500 sponsor > >>> 2500 individual plus > >>> 480 individual > >>> -------------------- > >>> 20480 Euros > >>> > >>> > >>> Gold (4000) > >>> RMOD 4000 > >>> > >>> Silver (2000) > >>> 2Denker > >>> http://www.Synectique.eu > >>> Sanders Cameron company > >>> 2Rivers > >>> 8000 > >>> > >>> Bronze (1000) > >>> Andy bunnett company > >>> Eggermont company > >>> MAD-Environment > >>> www.FinWorks.biz > >>> netStyle.ch > >>> 5000 > >>> > >>> Sponsors (500) > >>> Caeasar Systems > >>> (May be IMUS)?? > >>> 500 > >>> > >>> Indivudual golden (100) > >>> Stephane Ducasse > >>> Marcus Denker > >>> Schmiedl > >>> Miguel Coba > >>> Alexandre Bergel > >>> > >>> Krish > >>> Brodbeck (may be bronze) > >>> Goran Vasic > >>> Guillermo Polito > >>> Norbert Harlt > >>> > >>> Mark Smith > >>> Lorenzo schiavina > >>> Daniel Galdames > >>> Leandro Caniglia > >>> Francois Stephany > >>> > >>> Sean De Nigris > >>> John O'Keefe > >>> Tudor Girba > >>> Luc Fabresse > >>> Florent Arrignon > >>> > >>> Lawrence Trutter > >>> Sabine Knofel > >>> Yann Monclair > >>> Henrik Johanssen > >>> Hernan Wilkinson (or bronze to be defined) > >>> > >>> 2500 > >>> Normal 40 > >>> Bill schwab > >>> Herve verjus > >>> Damien cassou > >>> McLeod > >>> Max Leske > >>> > >>> Phil Back (bronze may be) > >>> Yanni Chiu > >>> Andrea BrÃ¼hlmann > >>> Stefan Reichhart > >>> Niklaus Lutz > >>> > >>> Max Leske > >>> Simon Jakovina > >>> 480 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Esug-list mailing list > >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko. > > > > >

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Magritte 2 or 3

by Philippe Marschall

On 07/05/2012 12:02 PM, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > Hi all, > > anyone has a copy of the Magritte repository ? I want to do a demo of Magritte. > I know that all Lukas repository are down now. We have to do something about Lukas moving apartments. Every time he does it it's a major disruption to this community. We can't continue like this. We should buy him a van with a satellite dish. Cheers Philippe

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Magritte 2 or 3

by Serge Stinckwich

Sorry I see the previous messages in the mailing-list. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > anyone has a copy of the Magritte repository ? I want to do a demo of Magritte. > I know that all Lukas repository are down now. > > Regards, > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/

July 5, 2012

[Pharo-project] Magritte 2 or 3

by Serge Stinckwich

Hi all, anyone has a copy of the Magritte repository ? I want to do a demo of Magritte. I know that all Lukas repository are down now. Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Athens Mac os doc like animation

by Fernando Olivero

Hi Stef, here's a link to a working Athens + Cairo image. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22215979/PharoImages/Athens-04-07.zip I've recommend following the steps posted by Igor, to have the latests version. But this one is generated from the build and repo of yesterday + the path to the library hack. Fernando On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 5 July 2012 11:55, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 5 July 2012 11:48, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 5 July 2012 11:02, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Jul 5, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>>> >>>>> ok.. >>>>> >>>>> 1. fixed FFI dependency, just try to load same config of athens over again >>>>> (if in fresh image).. >>>>> >>>>> 2. the plugin search path change was not committed, we checked that >>>>> with Esteban, >>>>> neither NBCog, nor vanilla Cog VMs see freetype plugin.. >>>>> lets wait till jenkins produce a new VM buildsâ¦ >>>> >>>> Ok I really want to have fun with athens so tell when this is ok :) >>>> >>>> Stef >>> >>> ok, the latest VM build seems to be working. >>> what i did: >>> 1. download VM [ >>> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/NativeBoost/job/NB-Cog-Mac-Cocoa/28/ar… >>> ] >>> 2. downloaded 2.0 image >>> 3. loaded ConfigurationOfAthens >>> >>> 4. doit: ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion: '1.2.1' >>> >>> 5: doit: AthensFlakeDemo new openInWorld >>> >>> and it works , as in here: https://vimeo.com/45137985 >>> >>> :) >>> >> and then i loaded >> ConfigurationOfXMLSupport from config browser, > > ah, yes.. missing "loaded Athens-SVG" step here ... > > >> filed in the >> ASAnimation.st >> then >> ASZoomerMorph.st >> >> and then did >> >> ASZoomerMorph new >> svg: 'Coche_ok_verte.svg' zoom: 0.1; >> openInWorld >> >> and here what i got (see attached) >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Pharo a Smalltalk or Smalltalk inspired? (was I added a german wikipedia article on pharo)

by phil＠highoctane.be

It's Pharo Smalltalk 2012/7/5 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> > > On 05 Jul 2012, at 11:44, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > On 05. 07. 2012 11:07, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Helene Bilbo wrote: > > > >>> And i ask, > >>> because the first line on the Pharo homepage says itâs: > >>> "Smalltalk-inspiredâ. > > > >> The idea is that if Pharo is Smalltak, it will always be Smalltalk. We > can not move > >> on. If it is Smalltalk Inspired, we can take the *ideas* behind > Smalltalk and seriously > >> move forward. > >> > >> E.g. take the Slots. Smalltalk has no first class Slots, Pharo will. If > Pharo would *be* Smalltalk > >> it could not. > > > > Why not rather move all Smalltalk forward instead? Good ideas from Pharo > > should be communicated to other Smalltalks. And vice versa - good ideas > > from other Smalltalks should be studied and put in Pharo. But Pharo > > should stay Smalltalk, not 'Smalltalk inspired'. > > > > Please, don't divide Smalltalk community but act as much as possible in > > joint spirit! Which of course doesn't mean that moving forward is > > necessary. And I also don't see why you cannot move forward and stay > > Smalltalk? Certainly not from a Slots example. > > > > If Pharo will try to distance from Smalltalk rather than contribute and > > improve it, I'm sure many of us will rethink if Pharo is worth > > supporting or not. > > But you have to read what Marcus said: Smalltalk could be and/or is > defined by Smalltalk-80 and an ANSI spec. If we say that Pharo conforms to > that, any of the very useful improvements being proposed will always be > stopped in their tracks because the changes are not compatible with these > old defacto standards. Pharo was started explicitely to avoid that. > > For most casual observers I think it will remain Smalltalk. > > Sven > -- Philippe Back Dramatic Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges Belgium

July 5, 2012