July 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Spec questions

by Goubier Thierry

Here I come with somme feedback on Spec. I tried to rebuilt an example using a tree view using spec this week-end, and it went fairly well (after a few misunderstandings). So, if I summarize what Spec is : * A herarchical view of models (a model is composed of submodels, where submodels may themselves be composite), up to elementary models provided by Spec. * A related hierarchy of views, which are created by specs. * Each model provides a defaultSpec to create the display. * Each model, even a composite, must implement the following methods : initializePresenter, initializeWidgets. And use instantiateModels:! * Models are linked to one another by appropriate "trigger" blocks. Good points : * Creating a window is very easy; just call openWithSpec. * The declarative aspect of Spec methods seems nice for a GUI painter. * There are enough models for a good start. A bit confusing so far with Spec: * Some examples have twice the submodels initialization (ClassMethodBrowser, in initialize and initializeWidgets) * Two syntaxes are available in xSpec methods * Two syntaxes are available in calls to instantiateModels: * I don't know yet how an existing application would connect to a Spec-based GUI (i.e. I don't know how to do a M-MVC app with it). * I haven't found a declarative way of setting up relations between models. * The spec and instantiateModels syntax isn't detailed. * I don't know how to integrate a non-spec morph and model. * The level of customization is frightening (TreeModel defaultSpec) but this seems to be a Morphic problem overall. * Exploring the generated morph hierarchy doesn't help much, due to the complexity linked with each morph object. * Why isn't there is a bit of info in the HelpBrowser ? It's easier to read the doc this way instead of toggling between a Pharo window and a pdf reader. I'll show you soon my results with spec! Thierry Le 11/07/2012 16:25, Benjamin a Ã©crit : > To participate, you can: > - take a random tool and rewrite it using Spec :) > - read the tech report, and tell where it's clear/unclear :) > - write comments ^^ > - just use it, and share your feedback. Then all together we can improve Spec > - try to convince other people to participate :D > > Thank you in advance, > Ben > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Goubier Thierry wrote: > >> How to participate then ? >> >> Will it be possible to do maybe a simple, but "live" painter ? >> >> My first contact with Morphic to do a few gui elements (such as rewritting the Nautilus GUI :-P) found the interface to be on the confusing side (multiple morphs doing the same thing, complex instantiation interface on average). >> >> Thierry >> >> Le 11/07/2012 14:58, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : >>> The plan is the following: >>> >>> - focus on really added value: >>> - dynamic spec (and ben did it already). We should be able to build mac os x like finder engine >>> >>> - focus on four/five items (buttons, list, trees, text area) >>> - build a first complete UIPainter something that can be used to >>> place widgets on the screen and wire them. >>> - we started to look again at UIBuilder in 1.0 to get what could be reused >>> (for now we will probably drop the event aspect) >>> - ideally the panes for widgets settings should be generated automatically >>> based on some kind of meta description or spec of the widgets so that we can >>> move faster >>> >>> - continue to rewrite all the tools with Spec. ChangeSorter and dualChangeSorter got into >>> production. >>> >>> - continue the chapter. >>> - probably some videos. >>> >>> Now if people want to help, there are welcome. >>> I think that we need more users. A typical task would be to rewrite the MC tools. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Do we have Spec examples for >>>> - menues >>>> - lists with icons >>>> - trees >>>> >>>> already? What is the state and overall >>>> plan for the near future. >>>> >>>> Thx >>>> T. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thierry Goubier >> CEA list >> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >> France >> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >> >> >> > > > > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

July 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20214

by Camillo Bruni

On 2012-07-16, at 11:16, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not able to run this image on Linux, I got only the black window. >>>> 20213 does the same, 20212 is OK. All this images work well in Wine so >>>> it will probably be Linux CogVM specific. >>> >>> same problem on the mac... now that is strange... >>> >>> updating 20 2013 and saving is no problem. Starts, runs, all fine. >>> Headless is no problem, either. (see test run on build server). >> >> When I run a script that executes Smalltalk image snapshot: true >> andQuit: true, then the image is working after a second start. >> > > So I guess this is related to: > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5907 > > I a m looking forward to haveing a bootstrap... let's rollback the adapted script.... I changed the scripts/after.st to save the image in a separate thread wouldn't know why but this might have an impact..

July 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20214

by Marcus Denker

On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: >> >>> I'm not able to run this image on Linux, I got only the black window. >>> 20213 does the same, 20212 is OK. All this images work well in Wine so >>> it will probably be Linux CogVM specific. >> >> same problem on the mac... now that is strange... >> >> updating 20 2013 and saving is no problem. Starts, runs, all fine. >> Headless is no problem, either. (see test run on build server). > > When I run a script that executes Smalltalk image snapshot: true > andQuit: true, then the image is working after a second start. > So I guess this is related to: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5907 I a m looking forward to haveing a bootstrap... -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

July 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20214

by Pavel Krivanek

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > >> I'm not able to run this image on Linux, I got only the black window. >> 20213 does the same, 20212 is OK. All this images work well in Wine so >> it will probably be Linux CogVM specific. > > same problem on the mac... now that is strange... > > updating 20 2013 and saving is no problem. Starts, runs, all fine. > Headless is no problem, either. (see test run on build server). When I run a script that executes Smalltalk image snapshot: true andQuit: true, then the image is working after a second start. -- Pavel > >> >> -- Pavel >> >> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Pavel Krivanek >> <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Tests Guard report: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/TestsGuard >>> >>> New failures: >>> * Keymapping.Tests.KMDispatcherTestCase.testBuffering >>> * issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6362 >>> * started: 20209-210 >>> * related: probably http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail? >>> * Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testGetPharoVersion is failing on Linux >>> >>> -- Pavel >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> 20214 >>>> ----- >>>> >>>> Issue 6378: Magnitude >> putOn: is faulty >>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6378 >>>> >>>> Issue 6372: objectForDataStream: just returns self >>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6372 >>>> >>>> Issue 6371: goferClassesInCategory not needed >>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6371 >>>> >>>> Issue 6358: Cleanup empty RPackage >>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6358 >>>> >>>> Issue 5899: hasUnacceptedEdits should be removed from Object and only kept on Model >>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5899 >>>> >>>> Issue 2259: unescapePercents and hidden dependencies >>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2259 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de >>>> >>>> >> > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

July 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20214

by Damien Cassou

I confirm the problem with image 20214 and Cog VM downloaded today and built 2 days ago. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

July 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20214

by Marcus Denker

On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > I'm not able to run this image on Linux, I got only the black window. > 20213 does the same, 20212 is OK. All this images work well in Wine so > it will probably be Linux CogVM specific. same problem on the mac... now that is strange... updating 20 2013 and saving is no problem. Starts, runs, all fine. Headless is no problem, either. (see test run on build server). > > -- Pavel > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Pavel Krivanek > <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Tests Guard report: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/TestsGuard >> >> New failures: >> * Keymapping.Tests.KMDispatcherTestCase.testBuffering >> * issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6362 >> * started: 20209-210 >> * related: probably http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail? >> * Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testGetPharoVersion is failing on Linux >> >> -- Pavel >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> 20214 >>> ----- >>> >>> Issue 6378: Magnitude >> putOn: is faulty >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6378 >>> >>> Issue 6372: objectForDataStream: just returns self >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6372 >>> >>> Issue 6371: goferClassesInCategory not needed >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6371 >>> >>> Issue 6358: Cleanup empty RPackage >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6358 >>> >>> Issue 5899: hasUnacceptedEdits should be removed from Object and only kept on Model >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5899 >>> >>> Issue 2259: unescapePercents and hidden dependencies >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2259 >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de >>> >>> > -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

July 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20214

by Pavel Krivanek

I'm not able to run this image on Linux, I got only the black window. 20213 does the same, 20212 is OK. All this images work well in Wine so it will probably be Linux CogVM specific. -- Pavel On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Tests Guard report: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/TestsGuard > > New failures: > * Keymapping.Tests.KMDispatcherTestCase.testBuffering > * issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6362 > * started: 20209-210 > * related: probably http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail? > * Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testGetPharoVersion is failing on Linux > > -- Pavel > > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> 20214 >> ----- >> >> Issue 6378: Magnitude >> putOn: is faulty >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6378 >> >> Issue 6372: objectForDataStream: just returns self >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6372 >> >> Issue 6371: goferClassesInCategory not needed >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6371 >> >> Issue 6358: Cleanup empty RPackage >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6358 >> >> Issue 5899: hasUnacceptedEdits should be removed from Object and only kept on Model >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5899 >> >> Issue 2259: unescapePercents and hidden dependencies >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2259 >> >> >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de >> >>

July 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20214

by Pavel Krivanek

Tests Guard report: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/TestsGuard New failures: * Keymapping.Tests.KMDispatcherTestCase.testBuffering * issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6362 * started: 20209-210 * related: probably http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail? * Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testGetPharoVersion is failing on Linux -- Pavel On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > 20214 > ----- > > Issue 6378: Magnitude >> putOn: is faulty > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6378 > > Issue 6372: objectForDataStream: just returns self > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6372 > > Issue 6371: goferClassesInCategory not needed > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6371 > > Issue 6358: Cleanup empty RPackage > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6358 > > Issue 5899: hasUnacceptedEdits should be removed from Object and only kept on Model > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5899 > > Issue 2259: unescapePercents and hidden dependencies > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2259 > > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

July 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] DateAndTime

by Pavel Krivanek

Great! Thanks a million! :-) -- Pavel On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Finally after a 5h marathon of hacking and fixing broken stuff > we are proud (and completely brain dead) to present the fixed > Date/Time objects. > > We fixed: > - all internals are represented in UTC > - all relative stuff is represented in UTC plus an additional timezone (currently a simple Duration) > > > All Date related tests are green! > We are not sure about the complete implications of these changes, > but they were clearly necessary, since the current system will break > under moving timezone... > > > ben+2:00 > cami+2:00

July 16, 2012

[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20214

by Marcus Denker

20214 ----- Issue 6378: Magnitude >> putOn: is faulty http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6378 Issue 6372: objectForDataStream: just returns self http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6372 Issue 6371: goferClassesInCategory not needed http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6371 Issue 6358: Cleanup empty RPackage http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6358 Issue 5899: hasUnacceptedEdits should be removed from Object and only kept on Model http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5899 Issue 2259: unescapePercents and hidden dependencies http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2259 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

July 16, 2012