June 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] start thinking on summer release of Pharo 1.4

by Igor Stasenko

Phil, i would be really glad to help with that, but currently my plate is too full. Perhaps there someone who can check it out and fix it if it broken or miss some parts. As Marcus says (and i like to repeat that), when something is not used/tested daily, it only a question of time when you will find it broken. On 15 June 2012 23:36, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > Well, spotlight is really cool indeed. Shift-Space XXX Enter. yay! > > But I like to have a view on several classes and typing HOPRÂ¨helps. > > Same when exploring the system for doing something (like > sound-synthesis for example). > > BTW, any new stuff on the MP3 front? I am looking at the sophie 1.0 > extract of yours. > > As of Pharo 1.4 Summer Release, having a somewhat cleaned up > Sound-synthesis in it would be nice. > > I am currently creating a little game in Smalltalk targeting the iPad > and a game without sound is not that of a game. > > For beginners and motivating people to move aboard the platform, sound > is important to have. > > KR > Philippe > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

June 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] start thinking on summer release of Pharo 1.4

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Digging through my so-called memory<g>, loading both Alien and Citezen required special attention. Alien led to a broken image, and Citezen was simply tricky to load such that it would work. Both required requesting specific versions in order to work. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Sean P. DeNigris [sean(a)clipperadams.com] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 8:08 PM To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] start thinking on summer release of Pharo 1.4 Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote > > But if I'm building a new image *today*, I want it to do the right thing > now (automatically for the current version), with the same incantation as > worked months ago or months from now. Absolutely! Two things about that: * Metacello has no magic. Ultimately, what you correctly suggest requires someone to test a project on a new platform and update the config... coming soon and desperately needed: tools to help this process... * we're all learning how to use Metacello... even as it evolves underneath us! If you experience something other than above, please post the specific example so we can examine the configs and see what's going on... -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/start-thinking-on-summer-release-of-Pharo-1-4-tp46345… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Auto create new and initialize methods for new class?

by Nicolas Cellier

2012/6/16 Conrad Taylor <conradwt(a)gmail.com>: > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:06 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> why do you need an automatic new method? >> Because by default >> Â Â new invoke initialize >> >> and it works well. >> > > StÃ©phane, I have been using VW Smalltalk and it creates new classes ,by default, with a #new method on the class side and a #initialize method on the instance side. > Yes, true in VW, but unecessary in squeak/pharo, this is in Behavior>>new ^ self basicNew initialize Also, a generally good rule is to remember to send super initialize (very few exceptions). Nicolas >> >> >> On Jun 15, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Conrad Taylor wrote: >> >>> Hi, is there an automated setting which creates default new and initialize methods for a new class? Â BTW, I'm using Pharo 2.0-one-click. Â Well, I must go and thanks in advance. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Think different and code well, >>> >>> -Conrad >>> >>> >> >> >

June 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Auto create new and initialize methods for new class?

by Sean P. DeNigris

Conrad Taylor wrote > > StÃ©phane, I have been using VW Smalltalk and it creates new classes ,by > default, with a #new method on the class side and a #initialize method on > the instance side. > In Pharo, new is built-in and calls initialize. I have a cool little hack that gives you the option to automatically create/add to #initialize as instVars are added. I'll post it in case that helps you... -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Auto-create-new-and-initialize-methods-for-new-class-… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Auto create new and initialize methods for new class?

by Conrad Taylor

Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:06 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > why do you need an automatic new method? > Because by default > new invoke initialize > > and it works well. > StÃ©phane, I have been using VW Smalltalk and it creates new classes ,by default, with a #new method on the class side and a #initialize method on the instance side. > > > On Jun 15, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Conrad Taylor wrote: > >> Hi, is there an automated setting which creates default new and initialize methods for a new class? BTW, I'm using Pharo 2.0-one-click. Well, I must go and thanks in advance. >> >> -- >> >> Think different and code well, >> >> -Conrad >> >> > >

June 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] start thinking on summer release of Pharo 1.4

by Sean P. DeNigris

Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote > > But if I'm building a new image *today*, I want it to do the right thing > now (automatically for the current version), with the same incantation as > worked months ago or months from now. Absolutely! Two things about that: * Metacello has no magic. Ultimately, what you correctly suggest requires someone to test a project on a new platform and update the config... coming soon and desperately needed: tools to help this process... * we're all learning how to use Metacello... even as it evolves underneath us! If you experience something other than above, please post the specific example so we can examine the configs and see what's going on... -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/start-thinking-on-summer-release-of-Pharo-1-4-tp46345… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] start thinking on summer release of Pharo 1.4

by Sean P. DeNigris

philippeback wrote > > BTW, any new stuff on the MP3 front? I am looking at the sophie 1.0 > extract of yours. > Not that I'm aware of... I rescued a video morph too (IIRC it should play any format that QT can handle). -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/start-thinking-on-summer-release-of-Pharo-1-4-tp46345… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Auto create new and initialize methods for new class?

by Conrad Taylor

Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Conrad Taylor <conradwt(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I would like to initialize the objects I create with some reasonable defaults and I don't want to have setters and getters for every instance variable. >> So, how do you create a new instance of a class? > > don't touch #new. Just implement #initialize and set your fields there. > > To everyone on the mailing list: we should encourage people to ask > such kind of questions on stackoverflow.com. > Damien, this is a great point and I'll ask such questions there in the future. Think different and code well, -Conrad > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry >

June 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] start thinking on summer release of Pharo 1.4

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

But if I'm building a new image *today*, I want it to do the right thing now (automatically for the current version), with the same incantation as worked months ago or months from now. If we can't do that, the config browser is pretty much a dream vs. reality. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Sean P. DeNigris [sean(a)clipperadams.com] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:49 PM To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] start thinking on summer release of Pharo 1.4 Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote > > My gripe is... that configs... work (very) differently over time > With the current evolution of Metacello, this should not be the case. Done right, what a config loads can be 100% static and repeatable. If you load a literal version (e.g. '1.4'), which loads literal versions of dependent projects (which they should unless there is a reason not to, e.g. a loose dependency like Seaside on OB), which load literal versions all the way down, it will do the same thing today, tomorrow, and ten years from now. The only hill to climb now is getting the word out about Metacello conventions/best practices. Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote > > If pre-loading, how about FFI? > I think "easily loadable" is the correct state, not included by default. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/start-thinking-on-summer-release-of-Pharo-1-4-tp46345… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] start thinking on summer release of Pharo 1.4

by phil＠highoctane.be

Well, spotlight is really cool indeed. Shift-Space XXX Enter. yay! But I like to have a view on several classes and typing HOPRÂ¨helps. Same when exploring the system for doing something (like sound-synthesis for example). BTW, any new stuff on the MP3 front? I am looking at the sophie 1.0 extract of yours. As of Pharo 1.4 Summer Release, having a somewhat cleaned up Sound-synthesis in it would be nice. I am currently creating a little game in Smalltalk targeting the iPad and a game without sound is not that of a game. For beginners and motivating people to move aboard the platform, sound is important to have. KR Philippe 2012/6/15 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>: > > philippeback wrote >> >> Have been using Nautilus and OB and albeit Nautilus is nicer looking, >> I find my way better with OB. Especially with the top search bar and >> categorizing into protocols. More buttons under the lists in OB but I >> do prefer them actually. >> > > Overall, I like Nautilus' workflow better, but I know what you mean about > the buttons. Even with the visual feedback, I'm never quite sure if I'm "in" > class-side mode, or I have to hit the button to "get" class-side mode. I was > missing the search bar, but with spotlight, it's moot. > > Sean > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/start-thinking-on-summer-release-of-Pharo-1-4-tp46345… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- Philippe Back Dramatic Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges Belgium

June 15, 2012