May 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo is exploding

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>wrote: > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > it was a time, when were able to track all activities around squeak, > > pharo and vm.. > > > > today the amount of updates, news and activities is just overwhelming.. > > > > a rusty locomotive, which once staying in backyard, repaired by Stef > > and Marcus and now goes faster and faster :) > > > > I think we have to improve the foreknowledge about what will happen, > why it will happen, what it will mean, what are the related issues > etc. > I in most cases I have no clue about changes in package structure of > the image that are being performed and that require changes in Pharo > Kernel processing, initialization etc. As an example I can mention > recent CodeImporter integration. > > I like the improvements rate but as the side effect it makes Pharo > less attractive platform for serious development. > It depends. Pharo 2.0 is UNSTABLE. It says it everywhere. If you want to do seriuous development you won't beusing Pharo 2.0, will you? ;) > > -- Pavel > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko. > > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo is exploding

by Max Leske

What do you mean by that? I'm already using SO and the Pharo/ST question density is very low and there don't seem to be many of us asking questions about Pharo either on SO (?). I fear that questions might get lost in the stream of questions on other topics. But I'm certainly willing to give SO a try with Pharo. We just would need everybody else to do the same. Having our own Pharo site however, would be a better incentive to move away from the mailinglist I think. Max On 15.05.2012, at 09:35, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > We can try to use stack overflow to see. > > > > Stef > > > >> >> On May 15, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Max Leske wrote: >> >>> A random thought: how about a stackexchange site for smalltalk? Most of the things disussed on the list could probably go there and the list would once again be a quiet place for core stuff only. >>> >> >> Yes, we were discussing that on Friday.... the developres of Rascal are using it: http://www.rascal-mpl.org/ >> >>> We (or I) would have to propose a new site and we would need people from Pharo AND Squeak (and hopefully other dialects too) to come aboard to promote the site. The entire process of creation is explained here: http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq >>> >> >> But would multi dialect not be very confusing? >> >> Marcus >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de >> >> > >

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Fun with spock (NativeBoost FFI)

by Lawson English

On 5/14/12 8:06 PM, Lawson English wrote: > On 5/14/12 8:02 PM, Lawson English wrote: >> OK, getting closer. However I'm still not quite getting what I expect: >> >> >> f1 := GMPfWrapper new. >> f2 := GMPfWrapper new. >> f3 := GMPfWrapper new. >> f1 set_ui: 50. >> f2 set_ui: 50. >> f3 set_ui:50. >> (f3 +f2) asString ==> '1 >> Doh, its working just fine. the function only returns the minimum digits required and returns the exponent in the expptr, so 1 has an expptr value of 3, making it 100.0... Sigh. L. -- Squeak from the very start (introduction to Squeak and Pharo Smalltalk for the (almost) complete and compleate beginner). https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6601A198DF14788D&feature=view_all

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo is exploding

by Pavel Krivanek

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > it was a time, when were able to track all activities around squeak, > pharo and vm.. > > today the amount of updates, news and activities is just overwhelming.. > > a rusty locomotive, which once staying in backyard, repaired by Stef > and Marcus and now goes faster and faster :) > I think we have to improve the foreknowledge about what will happen, why it will happen, what it will mean, what are the related issues etc. I in most cases I have no clue about changes in package structure of the image that are being performed and that require changes in Pharo Kernel processing, initialization etc. As an example I can mention recent CodeImporter integration. I like the improvements rate but as the side effect it makes Pharo less attractive platform for serious development. -- Pavel > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo is exploding

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

We can try to use stack overflow to see. Stef > > On May 15, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Max Leske wrote: > >> A random thought: how about a stackexchange site for smalltalk? Most of the things disussed on the list could probably go there and the list would once again be a quiet place for core stuff only. >> > > Yes, we were discussing that on Friday.... the developres of Rascal are using it: http://www.rascal-mpl.org/ > >> We (or I) would have to propose a new site and we would need people from Pharo AND Squeak (and hopefully other dialects too) to come aboard to promote the site. The entire process of creation is explained here: http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq >> > > But would multi dialect not be very confusing? > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

May 15, 2012

[Pharo-project] Pharo Kernel 2.0 Reload by Fuel activated

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi, we were able to activate the job Pharo Kernel 2.0 Reload by Fuel [1] and related tests [2]. In short, this job takes latest Pharo Kernel image and with the only single script [3] it creates working Pharo Core image. It uses code and some data previously exported by a supporting job [4] [5]. The resultant image is not production-ready because Fuel Package Loader currently doesn't work with changes file. The next step that should be quite simple is to do the same with an image without Compiler :-) [1] https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo-Kernel%202.0/job/Pharo%20Kernel%… [2] https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo-Kernel%202.0/job/Pharo%20Kernel%… [3] http://gitorious.org/pharo-build/pharo-build/blobs/master/scripts/pharo/Ker… [4] https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo-Kernel%202.0/job/Pharo%20Kernel%… [5] http://gitorious.org/pharo-build/pharo-build/blobs/master/scripts/pharo/Ker… Cheers, -- Pavel

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Nagare - a new flexible logger for Smalltalk

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Hi Masashi, Quite interesting logging library, thanks! Some questions: - can you log Transcript too? - can logging be done in background process to improve performance, for example for burst of web requests? Best regards Janko Dne 15. 05. 2012 02:48, piÅ¡e Masashi UMEZAWA: > Hello all, > > I have recently developed a new logging library called Nagare. > http://code.google.com/p/nagare-logger/ > > Nagare is designed to be simple and scalable. > Contrary to other logging frameworks which provide rich set of log > output methods (file, socket, DB, etc.), Nagare just connects to > fluentd (http://fluentd.org) And Fluentd does the various log > processing jobs. > > Features: > - Simple log interfaces with reliable backend > - Semi-structured logging (Not only String, you can store structured > records in log) > - Flexible - you can easily customise log-tags, log policy, etc. > - Portable (runs on Squeak, Pharo, VisualWorks) > > Enjoy! -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo is exploding

by Max Leske

On 15.05.2012, at 08:50, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On May 15, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Max Leske wrote: > >> A random thought: how about a stackexchange site for smalltalk? Most of the things disussed on the list could probably go there and the list would once again be a quiet place for core stuff only. >> > > Yes, we were discussing that on Friday.... the developres of Rascal are using it:http://www.rascal-mpl.org/ > >> We (or I) would have to propose a new site and we would need people from Pharo AND Squeak (and hopefully other dialects too) to come aboard to promote the site. The entire process of creation is explained here:http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq >> > Agreed. I was only thinking that it might be hard to get enough people for launching the site if we restrict it to pharo. Maybe we could start a poll to find out how many people would join. Or we simply propose the site and invite the list to participate? > But would multi dialect not be very confusing? > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de >

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo is exploding

by Max Leske

On 15.05.2012, at 08:50, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On May 15, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Max Leske wrote: > >> A random thought: how about a stackexchange site for smalltalk? Most of the things disussed on the list could probably go there and the list would once again be a quiet place for core stuff only. >> > > Yes, we were discussing that on Friday.... the developres of Rascal are using it: http://www.rascal-mpl.org/ > >> We (or I) would have to propose a new site and we would need people from Pharo AND Squeak (and hopefully other dialects too) to come aboard to promote the site. The entire process of creation is explained here: http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq >> > Agreed. I was only thinking that it might be hard to get enough people for launching the site if we restrict it to pharo. Maybe we could start a poll > But would multi dialect not be very confusing? > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

May 15, 2012

[Pharo-project] OpenID/Oauth library (was SSO - CAS Client in Smalltalk ?)

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Dne 15. 05. 2012 00:01, piÅ¡e StÃ©phane Ducasse: >> Just FYI, me and Cloudfork guys are just finishing the OpenID 2.0/OAuth >> 2.0 support for Iliad and Aida, based on Cloudfork SSO [1]. On Pharo and >> VW. On Pharo Zync with Zodiak SSL is used. Current goal is to develop a >> Google Docs API support. > > Hi janko > > is the library available as a library? I mean not linked to aida or iliad? Idea actually is to have WebCloudSSO library as independent as possible, but not without some web server/web framework, because OpenID/OAuth rely heavily on HTTP redirects. WebCloudSSO library currently works on Aida, now I'll start adapting it to Iliad, later someone can adapt it to Seaside or even to plain web server like Zync. Maybe it will even come under Cloudfork trademark at the end, we will see. Cloudfork otherwise already have a Seaside OpenID example. Janko > > Stef >> >> Let me also thanks in this ocasion to the Citilab Barcelona which >> sponsor our work. >> >> [1] >> http://blog.doit.st/2011/02/15/cloudforksso-openid-and-oauth-support-for-sm… >> >> Best regards >> Janko >> >> Dne 14. 05. 2012 19:58, piÅ¡e Sven Van Caekenberghe: >>> Bonjour CÃ©drick, StÃ©pahane, >>> >>> On 14 May 2012, at 19:44, CÃ©drick BÃ©ler wrote: >>> >>>> I'll let you know. >>>> >>>> CAS seems to be kind of standard for high organization SSO. It's just sad I didn't thought of it for Google Summer of Code. This could have been an opportunity. >>>> There's also ESUG. But maybe others should say of they find such an implementation useful (and not only me :) ). >>> >>> Yes, these are interesting add-on projects. The basis (Pharo+Zn+Zdc) is there, I don't think these are major undertakings, but they can get stuck on some small seemingly insurmountable detail. Step 1 is to understand the specification and the foundation to start from. Looking at implementations in other languages helps. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sven >>> >>> PS: CÃ©drick, I remember the OAuth (Dropbox) stuff that you were trying. Any chance to start that again ? ;-) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sven Van Caekenberghe >>> http://stfx.eu >>> Smalltalk is the Red Pill -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

May 15, 2012