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Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by H. Hirzel

On 5/15/12, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On May 15, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Frank Shearar wrote: > >> On 15 May 2012 12:10, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should >>>> think of >>>> means of communication with the masses! >>>> >>>> I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: >>>> >>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… >>>> >>>> we need now: >>>> - 60 Followers >>>> - 40 questions with some answers! >>>> >>> It seems that this will not work: someone is tagging all questions as >>> "can be asked on Stackoverflow" >>> and requests to close the area. >>> >>> So I think we will have to install our own thing instead. >> >> If what you want is something other than a QA site, absolutely. >> >> If you want a QA place, I don't see why people can't just use SO: >> there are already 113 questions tagged "pharo" there, and all people >> need do is... just ask your question there. It's one more thing you >> don't need to write/install/maintain, and one LESS thing for you to >> track: lists, RSS feeds, newsgroups, QA sites, ... > > > I did not have an account on StackOverflow until 1 hour ago. > It's one more thing in itself, and I don't see how a big mess of questions > helps of all topics in the world will help us. > > We need somethign focussed. Here it is http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/pharo :-) --Hannes > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > >

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Sean P. DeNigris

Max Leske wrote > > we'll all have to do it *and* track new questions Exactly. Whatever we decide, we'll need commitment from our community, esp. the key devs, to monitor the new venue with the same attention as this list. When I'm deep into the system, I'm reluctant to move my questions even to the Pharo Users list because there's only a handful of people that can answer and I don't know if they'll see them. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-on-Stackexchange-tp4630271p4630305.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Marcus Denker

On May 15, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Frank Shearar wrote: >> >> I did not have an account on StackOverflow until 1 hour ago. >> It's one more thing in itself, and I don't see how a big mess of questions >> helps of all topics in the world will help us. >> >> We need somethign focussed. > > http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag/pharo would probably be exactly > what you'd want, possibly with > http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag/smalltalk just to catch non-Pharo > questions that could be answered from a Pharo perspective. > > But yes, I guess there is a cost in that you need an SO account to ask > questions. Having paid that cost long ago, I didn't think about that. > To me it feels like if every open source project would just use one Bug tracker because there are tags... while I already thing that I want sub-projects on the current one. I personally don't think that tagging subsumes grouping. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Max Leske

Apps can only be viewed for your profile (you have to sign in). So the URL would be: http://stackoverflow.com/users/apps/<your user id> +1 for SO Max On 15.05.2012, at 13:44, Camillo Bruni wrote: > too bad :) I like stuff to be cleaned up and separated... > > though stackoverflow isn't that bad either, and if you properly > define your preference tags it's almost like the mailing list ;) > > We simply have to stick to the proper tags: > pharo > pharo1.3 > pharo1.4 > pharo2.0 > > + maybe the concerning tool > > there are a couple of nice apps: > > http://stackoverflow.com/users/apps/174541 > > and I strongly vouch for using SO instead of this mailinglist for > all sorts of questions. the mailing list seems to be ok for discussions > (which many people enjoy here). > > > On 2012-05-15, at 13:30, Max Leske wrote: >> This is the request to merge / close the Pharo proposal: http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/5273/pharo-is-a-developme… >> >> >> >> On 15.05.2012, at 13:25, Max Leske wrote: >> >>> >>> On 15.05.2012, at 13:18, Frank Shearar wrote: >>> >>>> On 15 May 2012 12:10, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of >>>>>> means of communication with the masses! >>>>>> >>>>>> I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… >>>>>> >>>>>> we need now: >>>>>> - 60 Followers >>>>>> - 40 questions with some answers! >>>>>> >>>>> It seems that this will not work: someone is tagging all questions as >>>>> "can be asked on Stackoverflow" >>>>> and requests to close the area. >>>>> >>>>> So I think we will have to install our own thing instead. >>>> >>> >>> Ok, so should we make everyone go to SO from now on (providing the question is not a question for the list)? I support the idea but we'll all have to do it *and* track new questions. Otherwise we'll end up in a situation where noone will know where to ask / answer questions related to Pharo. >>> >>> >>>> If what you want is something other than a QA site, absolutely. >>>> >>>> If you want a QA place, I don't see why people can't just use SO: >>>> there are already 113 questions tagged "pharo" there, and all people >>>> need do is... just ask your question there. It's one more thing you >>>> don't need to write/install/maintain, and one LESS thing for you to >>>> track: lists, RSS feeds, newsgroups, QA sites, ... >>>> >>>> frank >>>> >>>>> Marcus >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)acm.org >>>>> http://www.marcusdenker.de >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > >

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Frank Shearar

On 15 May 2012 12:23, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On May 15, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Frank Shearar wrote: > >> On 15 May 2012 12:10, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of >>>> means of communication with the masses! >>>> >>>> I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: >>>> >>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… >>>> >>>> we need now: >>>> - 60 Followers >>>> - 40 questions with some answers! >>>> >>> It seems that this will not work: someone is tagging all questions as >>> "can be asked on Stackoverflow" >>> and requests to close the area. >>> >>> So I think we will have to install our own thing instead. >> >> If what you want is something other than a QA site, absolutely. >> >> If you want a QA place, I don't see why people can't just use SO: >> there are already 113 questions tagged "pharo" there, and all people >> need do is... just ask your question there. It's one more thing you >> don't need to write/install/maintain, and one LESS thing for you to >> track: lists, RSS feeds, newsgroups, QA sites, ... > > > I did not have an account on StackOverflow until 1 hour ago. > It's one more thing in itself, and I don't see how a big mess of questions > helps of all topics in the world will help us. > > We need somethign focussed. http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag/pharo would probably be exactly what you'd want, possibly with http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag/smalltalk just to catch non-Pharo questions that could be answered from a Pharo perspective. But yes, I guess there is a cost in that you need an SO account to ask questions. Having paid that cost long ago, I didn't think about that. frank > > Â Â Â Â Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Camillo Bruni

too bad :) I like stuff to be cleaned up and separated... though stackoverflow isn't that bad either, and if you properly define your preference tags it's almost like the mailing list ;) We simply have to stick to the proper tags: pharo pharo1.3 pharo1.4 pharo2.0 + maybe the concerning tool there are a couple of nice apps: http://stackoverflow.com/users/apps/174541 and I strongly vouch for using SO instead of this mailinglist for all sorts of questions. the mailing list seems to be ok for discussions (which many people enjoy here). On 2012-05-15, at 13:30, Max Leske wrote: > This is the request to merge / close the Pharo proposal: http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/5273/pharo-is-a-developme… > > > > On 15.05.2012, at 13:25, Max Leske wrote: > >> >> On 15.05.2012, at 13:18, Frank Shearar wrote: >> >>> On 15 May 2012 12:10, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of >>>>> means of communication with the masses! >>>>> >>>>> I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: >>>>> >>>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… >>>>> >>>>> we need now: >>>>> - 60 Followers >>>>> - 40 questions with some answers! >>>>> >>>> It seems that this will not work: someone is tagging all questions as >>>> "can be asked on Stackoverflow" >>>> and requests to close the area. >>>> >>>> So I think we will have to install our own thing instead. >>> >> >> Ok, so should we make everyone go to SO from now on (providing the question is not a question for the list)? I support the idea but we'll all have to do it *and* track new questions. Otherwise we'll end up in a situation where noone will know where to ask / answer questions related to Pharo. >> >> >>> If what you want is something other than a QA site, absolutely. >>> >>> If you want a QA place, I don't see why people can't just use SO: >>> there are already 113 questions tagged "pharo" there, and all people >>> need do is... just ask your question there. It's one more thing you >>> don't need to write/install/maintain, and one LESS thing for you to >>> track: lists, RSS feeds, newsgroups, QA sites, ... >>> >>> frank >>> >>>> Marcus >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)acm.org >>>> http://www.marcusdenker.de >>>> >>> >> > >

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Max Leske

This is the request to merge / close the Pharo proposal: http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/5273/pharo-is-a-developme… On 15.05.2012, at 13:25, Max Leske wrote: > > On 15.05.2012, at 13:18, Frank Shearar wrote: > >> On 15 May 2012 12:10, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of >>>> means of communication with the masses! >>>> >>>> I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: >>>> >>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… >>>> >>>> we need now: >>>> - 60 Followers >>>> - 40 questions with some answers! >>>> >>> It seems that this will not work: someone is tagging all questions as >>> "can be asked on Stackoverflow" >>> and requests to close the area. >>> >>> So I think we will have to install our own thing instead. >> > > Ok, so should we make everyone go to SO from now on (providing the question is not a question for the list)? I support the idea but we'll all have to do it *and* track new questions. Otherwise we'll end up in a situation where noone will know where to ask / answer questions related to Pharo. > > >> If what you want is something other than a QA site, absolutely. >> >> If you want a QA place, I don't see why people can't just use SO: >> there are already 113 questions tagged "pharo" there, and all people >> need do is... just ask your question there. It's one more thing you >> don't need to write/install/maintain, and one LESS thing for you to >> track: lists, RSS feeds, newsgroups, QA sites, ... >> >> frank >> >>> Marcus >>> >>> -- >>> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)acm.org >>> http://www.marcusdenker.de >>> >> >

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Max Leske

On 15.05.2012, at 13:18, Frank Shearar wrote: > On 15 May 2012 12:10, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of >>> means of communication with the masses! >>> >>> I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: >>> >>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… >>> >>> we need now: >>> - 60 Followers >>> - 40 questions with some answers! >>> >> It seems that this will not work: someone is tagging all questions as >> "can be asked on Stackoverflow" >> and requests to close the area. >> >> So I think we will have to install our own thing instead. > Ok, so should we make everyone go to SO from now on (providing the question is not a question for the list)? I support the idea but we'll all have to do it *and* track new questions. Otherwise we'll end up in a situation where noone will know where to ask / answer questions related to Pharo. > If what you want is something other than a QA site, absolutely. > > If you want a QA place, I don't see why people can't just use SO: > there are already 113 questions tagged "pharo" there, and all people > need do is... just ask your question there. It's one more thing you > don't need to write/install/maintain, and one LESS thing for you to > track: lists, RSS feeds, newsgroups, QA sites, ... > > frank > >> Marcus >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)acm.org >> http://www.marcusdenker.de >> >

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Marcus Denker

On May 15, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Frank Shearar wrote: > On 15 May 2012 12:10, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of >>> means of communication with the masses! >>> >>> I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: >>> >>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… >>> >>> we need now: >>> - 60 Followers >>> - 40 questions with some answers! >>> >> It seems that this will not work: someone is tagging all questions as >> "can be asked on Stackoverflow" >> and requests to close the area. >> >> So I think we will have to install our own thing instead. > > If what you want is something other than a QA site, absolutely. > > If you want a QA place, I don't see why people can't just use SO: > there are already 113 questions tagged "pharo" there, and all people > need do is... just ask your question there. It's one more thing you > don't need to write/install/maintain, and one LESS thing for you to > track: lists, RSS feeds, newsgroups, QA sites, ... I did not have an account on StackOverflow until 1 hour ago. It's one more thing in itself, and I don't see how a big mess of questions helps of all topics in the world will help us. We need somethign focussed. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

May 15, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Stackexchange

by Max Leske

There's even a topic on SO clones on meta.stackoverflow.com: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2267/stack-overflow-clones. The problem with such a clone I guess is, that we'll need people to maintain the siteâ¦ Max On 15.05.2012, at 13:16, Max Leske wrote: > BTW: http://askbot.com/ > > > On 15.05.2012, at 13:15, Max Leske wrote: > >> I just whent browsing through the discussions and it looks as if we'll be having a hard time justifying a Pharo SE site. I quote (http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/5032/re-possible-duplicat…) >> >> Philosophically, StackExchange does not believe in setting up new sites "just because a lot of people are interested in it". It also has to be the case that the existing sites are not serving the audience concerned. Otherwise Java and C# would have their own sites. The SE staff have follwed that philosophy consistently in their decisions to close particular proposals. (e.g. Perl,CodeIgniter etc). >> >> >> Someone pointed to http://ask.rascal-mpl.org/questions/. That site is actually an Askbot page (an open source SE clone). So maybe, what we want is an Askbot setup? >> >> Cheers, >> Max >> >> >> On 15.05.2012, at 12:12, Norbert Hartl wrote: >> >>> >>> Am 15.05.2012 um 12:08 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe: >>> >>>> >>>> On 15 May 2012, at 11:28, Frank Shearar wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 15 May 2012 09:38, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> With the dev mailing list slowly getting out of control ;) we should think of >>>>>> means of communication with the masses! >>>>>> >>>>>> I created stackexchange proposal which needs YOUR support: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40717/pharo?referrer=gXC4FWspxSud… >>>>>> >>>>>> we need now: >>>>>> - 60 Followers >>>>>> - 40 questions with some answers! >>>>>> >>>>>> I think this will greatly improve the efficiency of our discussions! >>>>>> - tagging of discussions >>>>>> - better archive for questions >>>>>> >>>>>> go go go! >>>>>> cami >>>>> >>>>> Why not simply use stackoverflow and tag your questions with "pharo"? >>>>> >>>>> frank >>>> >>>> I really don't get this web app, I must be stupid, but how do I answer a question ? >>>> How to I pose a question ? >>>> >>>> Sven >>>> >>>> PS: I am registered and confirmed my email address. >>>> >>> >>> There is no answering at the moment only comments. It is in a stage to be evaluated. If the questions asked are distinct from the other sites and there is enough movement then the site will be created where you can answer the questions. >>> >>> Norbert >> >

May 15, 2012