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Re: [Pharo-project] Working directory

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> >>> >>> >>> I can hardly see what else can replace a tree/graph-like data >>> organization. >>> >> >> Something entirely unexpected that no one saw coming, no doubt :) >> >> e.g. what does the "current working directory" mean in a system with >> orthogonal persistence? >> > probably nothing. and i don't care. > but if we're working in ecosystem like today, we should make it work right. + 100 make it right and adapt if needed :) > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

May 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Working directory

by Igor Stasenko

On 27 May 2012 15:04, Douglas Brebner <squeaklists(a)fang.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On 26/05/2012 23:08, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >> >> I can hardly see what else can replace a tree/graph-like data >> organization. >> > > Something entirely unexpected that no one saw coming, no doubt :) > > e.g. what does the "current working directory" mean in a system with > orthogonal persistence? > probably nothing. and i don't care. but if we're working in ecosystem like today, we should make it work right. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

May 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] class message

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Douglas Brebner < squeaklists(a)fang.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On 27/05/2012 13:46, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> >> Because ALL objects do have a class. Right? >> > > Wasn't one of the reasons for ProtoObject to enable building non-class > (e.g. prototype) object systems? > > I don't know. I though it was for proxies because Object included already too much messages. -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] class message

by Douglas Brebner

On 27/05/2012 13:46, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > Because ALL objects do have a class. Right? Wasn't one of the reasons for ProtoObject to enable building non-class (e.g. prototype) object systems?

May 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Working directory

by Douglas Brebner

On 26/05/2012 23:08, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > I can hardly see what else can replace a tree/graph-like data organization. > Something entirely unexpected that no one saw coming, no doubt :) e.g. what does the "current working directory" mean in a system with orthogonal persistence?

May 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] class message

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 27 May 2012 11:40, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com > > > > wrote: > >> > >> I found problem. > >> > >> Proxy classes in SMock and Mocketry are subclasses of ProtoObject which > >> not implements #class. > >> But proxy classes use "self class" in some methods (like #printOn: > >> implementation). > >> > >> I add #class implementation from Object to ProtoObject and all SMock and > >> Mocketry tests become green. > >> > >> So questions: > >> Is ProtoObject should implement #class? > >> Can we move #class method from Object to ProtoObject? > >> > > > > ups....good catch! indeed, we should move it to ProtoObject. > > > mm.. why? > Because ALL objects do have a class. Right? if you want to change the semantics of #class then just subclass and change it. This is not the real reason, but in addition because since previously #class used to have a special bytecode, it means it was understood by "everybody". So at least with this we don't break anything. For me it does not make sense to get a #dnu for #class when the object really has a class. > the more we put to ProtoObject, the more it looks like Object. > at some point you will see not difference between them, and then > someone will come > with a brilliant idea of having one more "clean" class ahead - > ProtoProtoObject. > > You cannot tell that to me ;) I was the one who spent 2 days to remove all the 10 menthods tryNamedPrimitive* from ProtoObject. > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] class message

by Igor Stasenko

On 27 May 2012 11:40, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I found problem. >> >> Proxy classes in SMock and Mocketry are subclasses of ProtoObject which >> not implements #class. >> But proxy classes use "self class" in some methods (like #printOn: >> implementation). >> >> I add #class implementation from Object to ProtoObject and all SMock and >> Mocketry tests become green. >> >> So questions: >> Is ProtoObject should implement #class? >> Can we move #class method from Object to ProtoObject? >> > > ups....good catch! indeed, we should move it to ProtoObject. > mm.. why? the more we put to ProtoObject, the more it looks like Object. at some point you will see not difference between them, and then someone will come with a brilliant idea of having one more "clean" class ahead - ProtoProtoObject. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

May 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] thanks for pharoconf

by Johan Brichau

Yes, it was really nice. Thanks for such a good atmosphere! I regret I was unable to be there on Friday. Of course, I hope to see you all at ESUG in Gent! ;-) Johan (sent from my mobile) On 27 May 2012, at 12:58, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > Yes, very interesting, motivating, and results producing! > > Thanks a ton for making it a reality. > > Two blog posts of mine just in case you are interested: > > http://philippeback.be/2012/05/first-day-of-pharoconf-in-lille/ > http://philippeback.be/2012/05/second-day-at-pharoconf-in-lille/ > > Thanks again! > > Philippe Back > > 2012/5/27 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> > Yes, > > was fun to see a lot of you. And I could add some new faces to my inventory. Great! > > Norbert > > Am 27.05.2012 um 00:12 schrieb Tudor Girba: > > > Hi, > > > > I had a good time at PharoConf. > > > > Thanks for organizing it. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Beauty is where we see it." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges >

May 27, 2012

[Pharo-project] nice little Graphical IDE from MIT

by Lawson English

http://openendedgroup.com/field/OverviewBanners2.html -- Squeak from the very start (introduction to Squeak and Pharo Smalltalk for the (almost) complete and compleate beginner). https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6601A198DF14788D&feature=view_all

May 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] thanks for pharoconf

by phil＠highoctane.be

Yes, very interesting, motivating, and results producing! Thanks a ton for making it a reality. Two blog posts of mine just in case you are interested: http://philippeback.be/2012/05/first-day-of-pharoconf-in-lille/ http://philippeback.be/2012/05/second-day-at-pharoconf-in-lille/ Thanks again! Philippe Back 2012/5/27 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> > Yes, > > was fun to see a lot of you. And I could add some new faces to my > inventory. Great! > > Norbert > > Am 27.05.2012 um 00:12 schrieb Tudor Girba: > > > Hi, > > > > I had a good time at PharoConf. > > > > Thanks for organizing it. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Beauty is where we see it." > > > > > > > > > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

May 27, 2012