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Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk

by phil＠highoctane.be

+1 Well, it takes a while to wrap one's mind around it. I realize how lucky I was with Swing documentation with Java when developing a UI intensive app. Lack of doc about all of these things is really a huge issue. Spec helps but once I wanted to see what was under the hood, it is back to digging into bowels; Still digging on... Phil 2012/4/21 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > > On Apr 21, 2012, at 9:17 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > > Great news! > > > > I am currently busy looking after Text, TextAttributes, TextConstants, > Paragraph... and god, it went through the grinder and it shows. > > > > Isn't it amazing how bad the Squeak code is for text and everything media > considering that the goal was to be the media environment for the future? > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Unresponsive 1.4 image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I tried and I cannot making it freezing. Phil you can systematically do it? Stef On Apr 21, 2012, at 2:01 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > To freeze 1.4 on Win XP SP3, you can try this one out: > > | tm border | > tm := TextMorph new. > tm contentsWrapped: ''; > extent: 100 @ 20. > "this is the important stuff" > (border := AlignmentMorph newRow) position: 200 @ 200; > borderWidth: 1; > borderColor: Color black; > hResizing: #shrinkWrap; > vResizing: #shrinkWrap; > addMorph: tm. > "this just makes the TextMorph easier =to see" > World addMorph: border. > > Then fill in the TextMorph with some text and newlines. > > Then call the halos and resize the right corner for a while, especially letting it go out of screen at the bottom. > > The system will come unresponsive, not obey Cmd-. etc. > > Sometimes it comes back to life but most of the time I've got to kill the process. > > CogVM or StackVM make no difference. > > Maybe there is a huge GC going on but there is no memory display thing (manuia) anymore in 1.4 so I can't tell. > > Hope it helps. > > Phil > > > > 2012/4/20 Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> > > Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote > > > > > > After Ctrl-C in command prompt there is no new PharoDebug.log. > > > > > > > > Instead of Crtl-C do you get anything if you find the process and kill it > with: > > kill -s SIGUSR1 <pid> > > ? > (assuming you're using Cog ) > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Unresponsive-1-4-image-tp4574693p4575089.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges >

April 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Unresponsive 1.4 image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Apparently the properties work well for Morph such as BorderedMorph new openInWorld but they do not work well for workspace or browser. I will investigate SystemWindow. Stef On Apr 21, 2012, at 9:29 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > On Apr 21, 2012, at 7:18 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> I guess that we have a showstopper for 1.4 :) >> Because when I take 1.4 and modify a method in the implementor pane I can also freeze the systemâ¦. >> I will repeat it to be sure. > > In fact this is not related to the implementor but more a problem with morph property like resist to delete or something like thatâ¦. > Investigating > > >> >> Stef >> >> On Apr 21, 2012, at 2:01 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >>> To freeze 1.4 on Win XP SP3, you can try this one out: >>> >>> | tm border | >>> tm := TextMorph new. >>> tm contentsWrapped: ''; >>> extent: 100 @ 20. >>> "this is the important stuff" >>> (border := AlignmentMorph newRow) position: 200 @ 200; >>> borderWidth: 1; >>> borderColor: Color black; >>> hResizing: #shrinkWrap; >>> vResizing: #shrinkWrap; >>> addMorph: tm. >>> "this just makes the TextMorph easier =to see" >>> World addMorph: border. >>> >>> Then fill in the TextMorph with some text and newlines. >>> >>> Then call the halos and resize the right corner for a while, especially letting it go out of screen at the bottom. >>> >>> The system will come unresponsive, not obey Cmd-. etc. >>> >>> Sometimes it comes back to life but most of the time I've got to kill the process. >>> >>> CogVM or StackVM make no difference. >>> >>> Maybe there is a huge GC going on but there is no memory display thing (manuia) anymore in 1.4 so I can't tell. >>> >>> Hope it helps. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> 2012/4/20 Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> >>> >>> Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote >>>> >>>> >>>> After Ctrl-C in command prompt there is no new PharoDebug.log. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Instead of Crtl-C do you get anything if you find the process and kill it >>> with: >>> >>> kill -s SIGUSR1 <pid> >>> >>> ? >>> (assuming you're using Cog ) >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Unresponsive-1-4-image-tp4574693p4575089.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Philippe Back >>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>> >>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>> http://philippeback.be >>> >>> High Octane SPRL >>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>> 1301 Bierges >>> >> >> > >

April 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk

by Bernhard Pieber

Thanks for the encouragement! The necessary funding depends on the effort of course, and this in turn depends on the approach one uses for porting. We have an idea how to do the port to Pharo as an external package. Do you have a concrete use case in mind? Cheers, Bernhard P.S. Did you succeed building the Mac VM on Xcode 4.3 yet? Am 21.04.2012 um 21:17 schrieb "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be>: > Great news! > > I am currently busy looking after Text, TextAttributes, TextConstants, Paragraph... and god, it went through the grinder and it shows. > > I understand the reasons that led to such things but Collections-Text is in need of improvement for sure. > > How much funding would be necessary to get this port done? > > Phil > > 2012/4/21 Bernhard Pieber <bernhard(a)pieber.com> > Dear Smalltalkers, > > I am very happy to announce that the Styled Text Editor for the brand new Cuis 4.0 is now available on GitHub [1]. The Styled Text Editor was first presented by me at last year's ESUG in Edinburgh [2]. Thanks to ESUG the presentation was recorded [3]. > > The Styled Text Editor is a framework for rich text editing using styles as known from popular word processors like Apple Pages or Microsoft Word. It features paragraph and character styles, allowing easy text formatting using styles only. It is intended for applications where users need to work with good looking rich text in a simple and fast way. > > Rich text commonly refers to text with formatting information like different fonts, sizes, alignments, and emphasis. To make editing as simple as possible instead of individual formatting information end users apply styles to parts of the text. Editing is made fast by keyboard shortcuts for text navigation, selection, and styles selection. Where possible the feel of widely used rich text editors is supported. > > It includes many features like > - numbered and bulleted list paragraph styles > - support for images > - multiple level undo and redo > - text completion using various glossaries including a dictionary of English with about 166.000 words > - RTF clipboard (on OS X VMs with the ClipboardExtendedPlugin) > > The Styled Text Editor is developed in Cuis with the plan to eventually port it to Squeak and Pharo. The development of the Styled Text Editor inspired many changes to Cuis itself, and It is the first package to use the brand new DVCS based development process for external packages for Cuis 4.0. > > The idea and funding was provided by me, Bernhard Pieber and my company Software Generation. The implementation was done by Juan Vuletich, the mastermind behind Cuis. Thanks Juan for the close cooperation. It was and still is great fun to work with you. > > We are looking forward to feedback from you. Fork it on GitHub [1], create issues and send us pull requests. ;-) > > Cheers, > Bernhard Pieber > > [1] https://github.com/bpieber/Cuis-StyledTextEditor > [2] http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2011/Schedule-And-Talks/StyledTex… > [3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUoVbvwspi8&list=PL813665D04A2E4C0A&index=7&… > > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges >

April 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] How to globals that are NOT classes or traits?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

we should try to reduce their number. I like newspeak solution to this regard. Stef

April 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] How to globals that are NOT classes or traits?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > I think that we missing a way to determine to which package some > global belongs to. > When you loading a package it can declare new global, but there is no > reflective mechanisms in system to tell, to which package it belongs. > If we could have that, then clearly, if you serialize the package, you > would want to serialize its globals as well, > and if not, you can just leave a reference to it, which will be > rewired at materialization. > > +1. Some construct that defines a module, analogous to a class definition? Yes something that contains definitions. We will start to work on that after first class instance variables > > > On 17 April 2012 18:20, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:50 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck > > <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi guys. In Fuel, we need to identity which globals present in Smalltalk > >> globals are NOT classes or traits, because we need to manage them as > >> globals. So far we have a hardcoded list: > >> > >> defaultGlobalSymbols > >> > >> ^ #(#Smalltalk #SourceFiles #Transcript #Undeclared #Display > >> #TextConstants #ActiveWorld #ActiveHand #ActiveEvent #Sensor #Processor > >> #ImageImports #SystemOrganization #World) > >> > >> So...as every hardcoded stuff, this is not nice because as soon as globals > >> change, we need to fix this. So it would be nice if the system (pharo) can > >> provide us this information. > >> > >> What do you think? > > > > > > What I think is that the set of globals depends on usage. Some time I might > > actually want to serialize the SourceFiles Array, sometimes I might not want > > to. So this should be configurable, with a sensible default. Just as when > > one serializes a set of classes, references to classes outside the set are > > not serialized, serializing some subset of global objects in Smalltalk > > should serialize those objects, not references. So design some convenient > > API that allows one to specify which objects are not globals, and have the > > default be e.g. all global objects in Smalltalk. > > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mariano > >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > best, > > Eliot > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > > > > > -- > best, > Eliot >

April 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Unresponsive 1.4 image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Apr 21, 2012, at 7:18 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > I guess that we have a showstopper for 1.4 :) > Because when I take 1.4 and modify a method in the implementor pane I can also freeze the systemâ¦. > I will repeat it to be sure. In fact this is not related to the implementor but more a problem with morph property like resist to delete or something like thatâ¦. Investigating > > Stef > > On Apr 21, 2012, at 2:01 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> To freeze 1.4 on Win XP SP3, you can try this one out: >> >> | tm border | >> tm := TextMorph new. >> tm contentsWrapped: ''; >> extent: 100 @ 20. >> "this is the important stuff" >> (border := AlignmentMorph newRow) position: 200 @ 200; >> borderWidth: 1; >> borderColor: Color black; >> hResizing: #shrinkWrap; >> vResizing: #shrinkWrap; >> addMorph: tm. >> "this just makes the TextMorph easier =to see" >> World addMorph: border. >> >> Then fill in the TextMorph with some text and newlines. >> >> Then call the halos and resize the right corner for a while, especially letting it go out of screen at the bottom. >> >> The system will come unresponsive, not obey Cmd-. etc. >> >> Sometimes it comes back to life but most of the time I've got to kill the process. >> >> CogVM or StackVM make no difference. >> >> Maybe there is a huge GC going on but there is no memory display thing (manuia) anymore in 1.4 so I can't tell. >> >> Hope it helps. >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> 2012/4/20 Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> >> >> Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote >>> >>> >>> After Ctrl-C in command prompt there is no new PharoDebug.log. >>> >>> >>> >> >> Instead of Crtl-C do you get anything if you find the process and kill it >> with: >> >> kill -s SIGUSR1 <pid> >> >> ? >> (assuming you're using Cog ) >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Unresponsive-1-4-image-tp4574693p4575089.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Philippe Back >> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >> >> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >> http://philippeback.be >> >> High Octane SPRL >> rue cour Boisacq 101 >> 1301 Bierges >> > >

April 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] InnoSetup was: RE: One-click Windows comment

by phil＠highoctane.be

Well, given te variety of packaging formats on Linux, there is a lot of fun as well. apt-get yum rpm and aptitude, adding universes, ... not to mention ./configure make make install Well, yeah, sure it is easier. That's why the desktop marketshare is what it is. There are 3 desks in my office: one for Mac, one for WinXP and one for Linux. One machine on each. Each is good for given use cases but there is no king of the block. And they all crash in their own insane way. Geez, how comes we aren't living with something better? Oh wait, there is an iDevice out there with an AppStore. ;-p Phil 2012/4/21 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> > Power to the Penguin! :) > > I will admit that one sore spot is the Gnome dust up. Shoot me, I really > like Gnome 2.x, or have at least grown comfortable with it. KDE is a bit > overdone for my tastes, so I'm probably going to land on Xubuntu. Overall, > these are small annoyances compared to all the "fun" I left behind as I > departed Windows. > > Bill > > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of garduino [ > garduino(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 10:15 AM > To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] InnoSetup was: RE: One-click Windows comment > > Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote > > > > As an aside, it's interesting to see the term "ActiveX" *still* being > > used. This was something that MS was trying to kill a LONG time ago. > I'm > > increasingly glad that I started tuning them out and focusing on the > > simple and reliable vs. getting wound up in every new "technology" they > > tried to jam down my throat. I'm much happier on Linux. > > > > > Could not agree more with you! > > I can't understand how / why so many people/companies are using MS > products, > when the company proved lot of times that really don't care about its users > and customers. > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/InnoSetup-was-RE-One-click-Windows-comment-tp4576268p… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] A last 1.3 update? (startup related)

by Marcus Denker

On Apr 21, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > Marcus Denker-4 wrote >> >> Issue 4617: More error tolerant startup >> > > Sounds awesome! I lost many images due to broken startup scripts. In fact, > that's what "inspired" me to hack the VM ;-) I know several others have had > similar issues breaking images... > > I have no opinion whether to include in 1.3 or 1.4, but it's great that a > solution has been found :) > 1.4 has a different solution that is in need of documenation ;-) -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

April 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk

by Marcus Denker

On Apr 21, 2012, at 9:17 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Great news! > > I am currently busy looking after Text, TextAttributes, TextConstants, Paragraph... and god, it went through the grinder and it shows. > Isn't it amazing how bad the Squeak code is for text and everything media considering that the goal was to be the media environment for the future? Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

April 21, 2012