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Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>wrote: > Not forgotten :-) > > BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2. > > I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I noticed Metacello is not ready for that :( See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe we are lucky. > I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which > I failed to get so far. > > That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure. > Phil > > > 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. >>> >>> Gofer it >>> squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; >>> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; >>> load. >>> (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. >>> >>> then, just press shift+enter :) >>> >>> is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he) >>> >> >> Do not forget me ;) >> In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from >> #cleanUpForProduction) >> >> >> >>> , but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight >>> from macs. >>> >>> best, >>> Esteban >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>> >>> Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar >>> :-p >>> >>> The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, >>> could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll >>> down there. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >>> >>>> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for >>>> plugins... >>>> >>>> A few suggestions... >>>> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention >>>> is >>>> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should >>>> group >>>> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate >>>> packages >>>> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon >>>> as I >>>> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus >>>> anywhere useful. Options: >>>> - search bar >>>> - typing brings up the class search dialog >>>> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts >>>> right >>>> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >>>> - cmd-F to search packages >>>> - cmd-f to search classes >>>> - start typing to do a basic package search >>>> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >>>> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code >>>> pane, >>>> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the >>>> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the >>>> template, >>>> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because >>>> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to >>>> double-click >>>> anyway. Two suggestions >>>> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" >>>> menu >>>> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >>>> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >>>> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >>>> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >>>> >>>> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: >>>> http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Philippe Back >>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>> >>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>> http://philippeback.be >>> >>> High Octane SPRL >>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>> 1301 Bierges >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: > http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by Esteban Lorenzano

yes... because is not finished :) now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :( as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :) Esteban On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Just did but... > > It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Phil, eager to have this working. > > (BTW, nice fading effect) > > 2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > I will give a try, for sure ;) > > Ben > > On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> Hey cool. >> >> I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes. >> >> Phil >> >> 2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> Hi, >> >> for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. >> >> Gofer it >> squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; >> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; >> load. >> (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. >> >> then, just press shift+enter :) >> >> is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. >> >> best, >> Esteban >> >> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >>> Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p >>> >>> The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >>> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins... >>> >>> A few suggestions... >>> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is >>> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group >>> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages >>> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I >>> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus >>> anywhere useful. Options: >>> - search bar >>> - typing brings up the class search dialog >>> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right >>> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >>> - cmd-F to search packages >>> - cmd-f to search classes >>> - start typing to do a basic package search >>> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >>> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, >>> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the >>> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, >>> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because >>> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click >>> anyway. Two suggestions >>> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu >>> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >>> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >>> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >>> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >>> >>> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Sean >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Philippe Back >>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>> >>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>> http://philippeback.be >>> >>> High Octane SPRL >>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>> 1301 Bierges >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Philippe Back >> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >> >> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >> http://philippeback.be >> >> High Octane SPRL >> rue cour Boisacq 101 >> 1301 Bierges >> > > > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges >

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk

by Marcus Denker

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Chris Muller wrote: > Did your "Smalltalk Code Critic" tell you that or just another one of > your biased opinions? Wow, why so aggressive? Do you really do *not* see the problems that there are in Squeak? > Squeak is a fantastic media authoring > environment It is not. I was a promising *idea* (and part protopype) of a fantastic media enviroment in 1998. But then interestingly everyone decided that the best is to not improve it or make it real. > -- even old versions from years past embarass programs > like, say, PowerPoint. It's text-handling is fantastic -- remember > the release image delivered with text on the desktop flowing out one > text box, following along a loop-de-loop spline and into another text > box? What other programs that can do that today in 2012..? > It's a toy example. Adding a character means re-flowing everything. Unusable for larger texts. > In the spirit of Squeak, the original developers delivered a lot of > power with little code. But yes, it's a complex domain and so > reviewing the code in one afternoon may not meet your "aesthetic eye." > The complexity in Squeak code does *not* come from the domain. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by phil＠highoctane.be

Just did but... It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'. What am I doing wrong? Phil, eager to have this working. (BTW, nice fading effect) 2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > I will give a try, for sure ;) > > Ben > > On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > Hey cool. > > I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with > Sandcastle themes. > > Phil > > 2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > >> Hi, >> >> for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. >> >> Gofer it >> squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; >> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; >> load. >> (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. >> >> then, just press shift+enter :) >> >> is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is >> useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. >> >> best, >> Esteban >> >> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >> Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p >> >> The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, >> could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll >> down there. >> >> Phil >> >> 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >> >>> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for >>> plugins... >>> >>> A few suggestions... >>> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention >>> is >>> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group >>> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages >>> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon >>> as I >>> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus >>> anywhere useful. Options: >>> - search bar >>> - typing brings up the class search dialog >>> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts >>> right >>> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >>> - cmd-F to search packages >>> - cmd-f to search classes >>> - start typing to do a basic package search >>> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >>> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, >>> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the >>> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the >>> template, >>> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because >>> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to >>> double-click >>> anyway. Two suggestions >>> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu >>> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >>> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >>> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >>> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >>> >>> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Sean >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Philippe Back >> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >> >> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >> http://philippeback.be >> >> High Octane SPRL >> rue cour Boisacq 101 >> 1301 Bierges >> >> >> > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: > http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by phil＠highoctane.be

Not forgotten :-) BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2. I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which I failed to get so far. Phil 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. >> >> Gofer it >> squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; >> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; >> load. >> (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. >> >> then, just press shift+enter :) >> >> is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he) >> > > Do not forget me ;) > In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from > #cleanUpForProduction) > > > >> , but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight >> from macs. >> >> best, >> Esteban >> >> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >> Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p >> >> The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, >> could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll >> down there. >> >> Phil >> >> 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >> >>> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for >>> plugins... >>> >>> A few suggestions... >>> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention >>> is >>> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group >>> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages >>> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon >>> as I >>> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus >>> anywhere useful. Options: >>> - search bar >>> - typing brings up the class search dialog >>> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts >>> right >>> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >>> - cmd-F to search packages >>> - cmd-f to search classes >>> - start typing to do a basic package search >>> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >>> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, >>> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the >>> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the >>> template, >>> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because >>> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to >>> double-click >>> anyway. Two suggestions >>> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu >>> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >>> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >>> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >>> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >>> >>> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Sean >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Philippe Back >> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >> >> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >> http://philippeback.be >> >> High Octane SPRL >> rue cour Boisacq 101 >> 1301 Bierges >> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by Benjamin

I will give a try, for sure ;) Ben On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Hey cool. > > I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes. > > Phil > > 2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > Hi, > > for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. > > Gofer it > squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; > load. > (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. > > then, just press shift+enter :) > > is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. > > best, > Esteban > > On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p >> >> The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there. >> >> Phil >> >> 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins... >> >> A few suggestions... >> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is >> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group >> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages >> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I >> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus >> anywhere useful. Options: >> - search bar >> - typing brings up the class search dialog >> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right >> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >> - cmd-F to search packages >> - cmd-f to search classes >> - start typing to do a basic package search >> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, >> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the >> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, >> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because >> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click >> anyway. Two suggestions >> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu >> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >> >> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >> >> Cheers, >> Sean >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Philippe Back >> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >> >> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >> http://philippeback.be >> >> High Octane SPRL >> rue cour Boisacq 101 >> 1301 Bierges >> > > > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges >

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by phil＠highoctane.be

Hey cool. I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes. Phil 2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > Hi, > > for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. > > Gofer it > squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; > load. > (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. > > then, just press shift+enter :) > > is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is > useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. > > best, > Esteban > > On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p > > The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could > we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down > there. > > Phil > > 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> > >> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for >> plugins... >> >> A few suggestions... >> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is >> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group >> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages >> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon >> as I >> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus >> anywhere useful. Options: >> - search bar >> - typing brings up the class search dialog >> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts >> right >> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >> - cmd-F to search packages >> - cmd-f to search classes >> - start typing to do a basic package search >> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, >> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the >> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, >> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because >> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click >> anyway. Two suggestions >> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu >> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >> >> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >> >> Cheers, >> Sean >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: > http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi, > > for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. > > Gofer it > squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; > load. > (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. > > then, just press shift+enter :) > > is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he) > Do not forget me ;) In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction) > , but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight > from macs. > > best, > Esteban > > On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p > > The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could > we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down > there. > > Phil > > 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> > >> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for >> plugins... >> >> A few suggestions... >> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is >> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group >> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages >> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon >> as I >> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus >> anywhere useful. Options: >> - search bar >> - typing brings up the class search dialog >> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts >> right >> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >> - cmd-F to search packages >> - cmd-f to search classes >> - start typing to do a basic package search >> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, >> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the >> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, >> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because >> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click >> anyway. Two suggestions >> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu >> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >> >> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >> >> Cheers, >> Sean >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: > http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk

by phil＠highoctane.be

Ah come on, the code is powerful but not that approachable. Dan Ingalls even recognized that his text-flowing-through-a-tube was just to prove it was doable, not that it was maintainable or anything. Cuis does less but is nicer to learn. Pharo is opinionated but a benevolent dictatorship is (for me) better than anarchy that runs in circles. And without new learners, guess what? You die. A slow death but a death. I don't want to touch Squeak with pole anymore now that Pharo and Cuis are around. That's my biased opinion and I stand by it, especially by 2012 standards. Phil 2012/4/22 Chris Muller <asqueaker(a)gmail.com> > Did your "Smalltalk Code Critic" tell you that or just another one of > your biased opinions? Squeak is a fantastic media authoring > environment -- even old versions from years past embarass programs > like, say, PowerPoint. It's text-handling is fantastic -- remember > the release image delivered with text on the desktop flowing out one > text box, following along a loop-de-loop spline and into another text > box? What other programs that can do that today in 2012..? > > In the spirit of Squeak, the original developers delivered a lot of > power with little code. But yes, it's a complex domain and so > reviewing the code in one afternoon may not meet your "aesthetic eye." > > > On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > > > > On Apr 21, 2012, at 9:17 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > > >> Great news! > >> > >> I am currently busy looking after Text, TextAttributes, TextConstants, > Paragraph... and god, it went through the grinder and it shows. > >> > > > > Isn't it amazing how bad the Squeak code is for text and everything > media considering that the goal was to be the media environment for the > future? > > > > Marcus > > > > > > -- > > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. then, just press shift+enter :) is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. best, Esteban On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p > > The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there. > > Phil > > 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> > Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins... > > A few suggestions... > * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is > (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group > all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages > * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I > opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus > anywhere useful. Options: > - search bar > - typing brings up the class search dialog > - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right > away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: > - cmd-F to search packages > - cmd-f to search classes > - start typing to do a basic package search > * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the > "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, > and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the > selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, > but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because > when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click > anyway. Two suggestions > - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu > item that transfers focus to the preselected template > - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template > * back/forward buttons for history navigation? > * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them > > Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! > > Cheers, > Sean > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges >

April 22, 2012