April 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] completion lets some traces

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Esteban don't you have the same problem than me with ecompletion? I get a slow vanishing of propositions. Stef

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Do we get rid of the KeyDecodeTable in InputEventSensor?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:13 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > May I add that some Cmd-Q on OSX really sucks for autocompletion? indeed :) This is why ecompletion and ocompletion propose other ways > > And Alt-Shift for Halos when you have multiple keyboards setup in Windows? (It is the system shortcut for toggle language (like FR->EN). Using the middle button like in Cuis would be much better methinks. no it was like that in squeak and it always went in our way. now in Pharo20 we will change revisit all the logic of key mapping and probably use the work on guillermo to be able to plug the binding people want. I want emacs binding for text for example :) > > Phil > > 2012/4/22 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> > It's supposed to do some conversions, but sometimes, it just screws up the use input. It's main responsibility is to change ctrl into alt: > > installDuplicateKeyEntryFor: c > | key | > key := c asInteger. > "first do control->alt key" > KeyDecodeTable at: { key bitAnd: 16r9F . 2 } put: { key . 8 }. > "then alt->alt key" > KeyDecodeTable at: { key . 8 } put: { key . 8 } > > > And then it confuses stuff. For example, Ctrl + tab is decoded as ctrl + $i, since > > $i asInteger bitAnd: 16r9F = Character tab asInteger > > > And btw, I love my ctrl key and want to have more fancy and sexy shortcuts, so this F*** table is bothering :). > > Opinions? > Guille > > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges >

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I can propose my help too :) > > The best help is to use it and give feedback I guess ;) > > Ben > > On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> yes... because is not finished :) >> now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you >> have to press tab before enter :( >> >> as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is >> some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :) >> >> > +9999 > > Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I > told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the > beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it > in just a couple of hours and was not continue after. But we welcome any > work and progress in the area. > > > > >> Esteban >> >> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >> Just did but... >> >> It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a >> drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard >> arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'. >> >> What am I doing wrong? >> >> Phil, eager to have this working. >> >> (BTW, nice fading effect) >> >> 2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> >> >>> I will give a try, for sure ;) >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>> >>> Hey cool. >>> >>> I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along >>> with Sandcastle themes. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> 2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. >>>> >>>> Gofer it >>>> squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; >>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; >>>> load. >>>> (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. >>>> >>>> then, just press shift+enter :) >>>> >>>> is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is >>>> useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. >>>> >>>> best, >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar >>>> :-p >>>> >>>> The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, >>>> could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll >>>> down there. >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >>>> >>>>> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for >>>>> plugins... >>>>> >>>>> A few suggestions... >>>>> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the >>>>> convention is >>>>> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should >>>>> group >>>>> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate >>>>> packages >>>>> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as >>>>> soon as I >>>>> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard >>>>> focus >>>>> anywhere useful. Options: >>>>> - search bar >>>>> - typing brings up the class search dialog >>>>> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts >>>>> right >>>>> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >>>>> - cmd-F to search packages >>>>> - cmd-f to search classes >>>>> - start typing to do a basic package search >>>>> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >>>>> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code >>>>> pane, >>>>> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because >>>>> the >>>>> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the >>>>> template, >>>>> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless >>>>> because >>>>> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to >>>>> double-click >>>>> anyway. Two suggestions >>>>> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" >>>>> menu >>>>> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >>>>> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >>>>> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >>>>> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Sean >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: >>>>> http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Philippe Back >>>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>>> >>>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>>> http://philippeback.be >>>> >>>> High Octane SPRL >>>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>>> 1301 Bierges >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Philippe Back >>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>> >>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>> http://philippeback.be >>> >>> High Octane SPRL >>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>> 1301 Bierges >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Philippe Back >> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >> >> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >> http://philippeback.be >> >> High Octane SPRL >> rue cour Boisacq 101 >> 1301 Bierges >> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>wrote: > Ok, finish it and you'll get beers end of may > so you are going to the PharoConf? excellent > :-) What about 3 or 4? > > 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> yes... because is not finished :) >>> now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you >>> have to press tab before enter :( >>> >>> as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is >>> some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :) >>> >>> >> +9999 >> >> Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because >> I told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider >> the beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do >> it in just a couple of hours and was not continue after. But we welcome >> any work and progress in the area. >> >> >> >> >>> Esteban >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>> >>> Just did but... >>> >>> It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a >>> drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard >>> arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'. >>> >>> What am I doing wrong? >>> >>> Phil, eager to have this working. >>> >>> (BTW, nice fading effect) >>> >>> 2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> I will give a try, for sure ;) >>>> >>>> Ben >>>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey cool. >>>> >>>> I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along >>>> with Sandcastle themes. >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> 2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. >>>>> >>>>> Gofer it >>>>> squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; >>>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; >>>>> load. >>>>> (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. >>>>> >>>>> then, just press shift+enter :) >>>>> >>>>> is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is >>>>> useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. >>>>> >>>>> best, >>>>> Esteban >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar >>>>> :-p >>>>> >>>>> The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, >>>>> could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll >>>>> down there. >>>>> >>>>> Phil >>>>> >>>>> 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >>>>> >>>>>> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for >>>>>> plugins... >>>>>> >>>>>> A few suggestions... >>>>>> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the >>>>>> convention is >>>>>> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should >>>>>> group >>>>>> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate >>>>>> packages >>>>>> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as >>>>>> soon as I >>>>>> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard >>>>>> focus >>>>>> anywhere useful. Options: >>>>>> - search bar >>>>>> - typing brings up the class search dialog >>>>>> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts >>>>>> right >>>>>> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >>>>>> - cmd-F to search packages >>>>>> - cmd-f to search classes >>>>>> - start typing to do a basic package search >>>>>> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >>>>>> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code >>>>>> pane, >>>>>> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because >>>>>> the >>>>>> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the >>>>>> template, >>>>>> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless >>>>>> because >>>>>> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to >>>>>> double-click >>>>>> anyway. Two suggestions >>>>>> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" >>>>>> menu >>>>>> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >>>>>> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >>>>>> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >>>>>> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Sean >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>> http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >>>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Philippe Back >>>>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>>>> >>>>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>>>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>>>> http://philippeback.be >>>>> >>>>> High Octane SPRL >>>>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>>>> 1301 Bierges >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Philippe Back >>>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>>> >>>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>>> http://philippeback.be >>>> >>>> High Octane SPRL >>>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>>> 1301 Bierges >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Philippe Back >>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>> >>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>> http://philippeback.be >>> >>> High Octane SPRL >>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>> 1301 Bierges >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: > http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>wrote: > There is a comment on your blog article asking for details :-) > > Yes, I answerd it. But I think over another post (sorry, mistake) Here is the answer: http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/nautilus-the-reborn-of-the-syst… Cheers > > 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>wrote: >> >>> Not forgotten :-) >>> >>> BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2. >>> >>> >> I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I >> noticed Metacello is not ready for that :( >> See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html >> Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe we >> are lucky. >> >> >>> I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. >>> Which I failed to get so far. >>> >>> >> That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure. >> >> >> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. >>>>> >>>>> Gofer it >>>>> squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; >>>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; >>>>> load. >>>>> (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. >>>>> >>>>> then, just press shift+enter :) >>>>> >>>>> is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he) >>>>> >>>> >>>> Do not forget me ;) >>>> In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it >>>> from #cleanUpForProduction) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> , but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling >>>>> spotlight from macs. >>>>> >>>>> best, >>>>> Esteban >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar >>>>> :-p >>>>> >>>>> The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, >>>>> could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll >>>>> down there. >>>>> >>>>> Phil >>>>> >>>>> 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >>>>> >>>>>> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for >>>>>> plugins... >>>>>> >>>>>> A few suggestions... >>>>>> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the >>>>>> convention is >>>>>> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should >>>>>> group >>>>>> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate >>>>>> packages >>>>>> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as >>>>>> soon as I >>>>>> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard >>>>>> focus >>>>>> anywhere useful. Options: >>>>>> - search bar >>>>>> - typing brings up the class search dialog >>>>>> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts >>>>>> right >>>>>> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >>>>>> - cmd-F to search packages >>>>>> - cmd-f to search classes >>>>>> - start typing to do a basic package search >>>>>> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >>>>>> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code >>>>>> pane, >>>>>> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because >>>>>> the >>>>>> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the >>>>>> template, >>>>>> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless >>>>>> because >>>>>> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to >>>>>> double-click >>>>>> anyway. Two suggestions >>>>>> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" >>>>>> menu >>>>>> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >>>>>> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >>>>>> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >>>>>> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Sean >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>> http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >>>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Philippe Back >>>>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>>>> >>>>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>>>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>>>> http://philippeback.be >>>>> >>>>> High Octane SPRL >>>>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>>>> 1301 Bierges >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mariano >>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Philippe Back >>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>> >>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>> http://philippeback.be >>> >>> High Octane SPRL >>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>> 1301 Bierges >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: > http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk

by Nicolas Cellier

Sure, such strong opinions are going nowhere. and this thread isn't going to produce anything constructive as it started. Please take a more professional p.o.v. and tell which feature is lacking, which one is superfluous. Then, and only then, start discussing what is unnecessarily complex in current implementation and propose possible alternative implementations. I insist on the features. For example, the fact that every class was cloned to implement internationalization certainly participates to such complexity, but the right question is about the features: should internationalization be optional and un-loadable or is it mandatory? Nicolas Le 22 avril 2012 20:34, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> a Ã©crit : > > On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Chris Muller wrote: > >> Did your "Smalltalk Code Critic" tell you that or just another one of >> your biased opinions? > > Wow, why so aggressive? Do you really do *not* see the problems > that there are in Squeak? > >> Squeak is a fantastic media authoring >> environment > > It is not. I was a promising *idea* (and part protopype) of a fantastic media > enviroment in 1998. But then interestingly everyone decided that the best is > to not improve it or make it real. > >> -- even old versions from years past embarass programs >> like, say, PowerPoint. Â It's text-handling is fantastic -- remember >> the release image delivered with text on the desktop flowing out one >> text box, following along a loop-de-loop spline and into another text >> box? Â What other programs that can do that today in 2012..? >> > It's a toy example. Adding a character means re-flowing everything. > Unusable for larger texts. > >> In the spirit of Squeak, the original developers delivered a lot of >> power with little code. But yes, it's a complex domain and so >> reviewing the code in one afternoon may not meet your "aesthetic eye." >> > > The complexity in Squeak code does *not* come from the domain. > > Â Â Â Â Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by Benjamin

I can propose my help too :) Ben On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > yes... because is not finished :) > now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :( > > as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :) > > > +9999 > > Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it in just a couple of hours and was not continue after. But we welcome any work and progress in the area. > > > > Esteban > > On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> Just did but... >> >> It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'. >> >> What am I doing wrong? >> >> Phil, eager to have this working. >> >> (BTW, nice fading effect) >> >> 2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> >> I will give a try, for sure ;) >> >> Ben >> >> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >>> Hey cool. >>> >>> I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> 2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> Hi, >>> >>> for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. >>> >>> Gofer it >>> squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; >>> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; >>> load. >>> (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. >>> >>> then, just press shift+enter :) >>> >>> is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. >>> >>> best, >>> Esteban >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p >>>> >>>> The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there. >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >>>> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins... >>>> >>>> A few suggestions... >>>> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is >>>> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group >>>> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages >>>> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I >>>> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus >>>> anywhere useful. Options: >>>> - search bar >>>> - typing brings up the class search dialog >>>> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right >>>> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >>>> - cmd-F to search packages >>>> - cmd-f to search classes >>>> - start typing to do a basic package search >>>> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >>>> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, >>>> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the >>>> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, >>>> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because >>>> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click >>>> anyway. Two suggestions >>>> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu >>>> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >>>> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >>>> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >>>> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >>>> >>>> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Philippe Back >>>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>>> >>>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>>> http://philippeback.be >>>> >>>> High Octane SPRL >>>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>>> 1301 Bierges >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Philippe Back >>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>> >>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>> http://philippeback.be >>> >>> High Octane SPRL >>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>> 1301 Bierges >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Philippe Back >> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >> >> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >> http://philippeback.be >> >> High Octane SPRL >> rue cour Boisacq 101 >> 1301 Bierges >> > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by phil＠highoctane.be

Ok, finish it and you'll get beers end of may :-) What about 3 or 4? 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> yes... because is not finished :) >> now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you >> have to press tab before enter :( >> >> as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is >> some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :) >> >> > +9999 > > Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I > told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the > beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it > in just a couple of hours and was not continue after. But we welcome any > work and progress in the area. > > > > >> Esteban >> >> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >> Just did but... >> >> It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a >> drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard >> arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'. >> >> What am I doing wrong? >> >> Phil, eager to have this working. >> >> (BTW, nice fading effect) >> >> 2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> >> >>> I will give a try, for sure ;) >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>> >>> Hey cool. >>> >>> I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along >>> with Sandcastle themes. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> 2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. >>>> >>>> Gofer it >>>> squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; >>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; >>>> load. >>>> (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. >>>> >>>> then, just press shift+enter :) >>>> >>>> is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is >>>> useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. >>>> >>>> best, >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar >>>> :-p >>>> >>>> The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, >>>> could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll >>>> down there. >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >>>> >>>>> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for >>>>> plugins... >>>>> >>>>> A few suggestions... >>>>> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the >>>>> convention is >>>>> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should >>>>> group >>>>> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate >>>>> packages >>>>> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as >>>>> soon as I >>>>> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard >>>>> focus >>>>> anywhere useful. Options: >>>>> - search bar >>>>> - typing brings up the class search dialog >>>>> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts >>>>> right >>>>> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >>>>> - cmd-F to search packages >>>>> - cmd-f to search classes >>>>> - start typing to do a basic package search >>>>> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >>>>> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code >>>>> pane, >>>>> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because >>>>> the >>>>> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the >>>>> template, >>>>> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless >>>>> because >>>>> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to >>>>> double-click >>>>> anyway. Two suggestions >>>>> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" >>>>> menu >>>>> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >>>>> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >>>>> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >>>>> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Sean >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: >>>>> http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Philippe Back >>>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>>> >>>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>>> http://philippeback.be >>>> >>>> High Octane SPRL >>>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>>> 1301 Bierges >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Philippe Back >>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>> >>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>> http://philippeback.be >>> >>> High Octane SPRL >>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>> 1301 Bierges >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Philippe Back >> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >> >> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >> http://philippeback.be >> >> High Octane SPRL >> rue cour Boisacq 101 >> 1301 Bierges >> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by phil＠highoctane.be

There is a comment on your blog article asking for details :-) 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>wrote: > >> Not forgotten :-) >> >> BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2. >> >> > I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I > noticed Metacello is not ready for that :( > See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html > Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe we > are lucky. > > >> I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. >> Which I failed to get so far. >> >> > That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure. > > > >> Phil >> >> >> 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. >>>> >>>> Gofer it >>>> squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; >>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; >>>> load. >>>> (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. >>>> >>>> then, just press shift+enter :) >>>> >>>> is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he) >>>> >>> >>> Do not forget me ;) >>> In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from >>> #cleanUpForProduction) >>> >>> >>> >>>> , but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight >>>> from macs. >>>> >>>> best, >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar >>>> :-p >>>> >>>> The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, >>>> could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll >>>> down there. >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >>>> >>>>> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for >>>>> plugins... >>>>> >>>>> A few suggestions... >>>>> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the >>>>> convention is >>>>> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should >>>>> group >>>>> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate >>>>> packages >>>>> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as >>>>> soon as I >>>>> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard >>>>> focus >>>>> anywhere useful. Options: >>>>> - search bar >>>>> - typing brings up the class search dialog >>>>> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts >>>>> right >>>>> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >>>>> - cmd-F to search packages >>>>> - cmd-f to search classes >>>>> - start typing to do a basic package search >>>>> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >>>>> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code >>>>> pane, >>>>> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because >>>>> the >>>>> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the >>>>> template, >>>>> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless >>>>> because >>>>> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to >>>>> double-click >>>>> anyway. Two suggestions >>>>> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" >>>>> menu >>>>> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >>>>> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >>>>> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >>>>> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Sean >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: >>>>> http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Philippe Back >>>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>>> >>>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>>> http://philippeback.be >>>> >>>> High Octane SPRL >>>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>>> 1301 Bierges >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mariano >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Philippe Back >> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >> >> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >> http://philippeback.be >> >> High Octane SPRL >> rue cour Boisacq 101 >> 1301 Bierges >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: > yes... because is not finished :) > now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have > to press tab before enter :( > > as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is > some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :) > > +9999 Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it in just a couple of hours and was not continue after. But we welcome any work and progress in the area. > Esteban > > On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > Just did but... > > It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a > drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard > arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Phil, eager to have this working. > > (BTW, nice fading effect) > > 2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > >> I will give a try, for sure ;) >> >> Ben >> >> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >> Hey cool. >> >> I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with >> Sandcastle themes. >> >> Phil >> >> 2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. >>> >>> Gofer it >>> squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; >>> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; >>> load. >>> (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. >>> >>> then, just press shift+enter :) >>> >>> is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is >>> useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. >>> >>> best, >>> Esteban >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>> >>> Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar >>> :-p >>> >>> The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, >>> could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll >>> down there. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >>> >>>> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for >>>> plugins... >>>> >>>> A few suggestions... >>>> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention >>>> is >>>> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should >>>> group >>>> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate >>>> packages >>>> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon >>>> as I >>>> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus >>>> anywhere useful. Options: >>>> - search bar >>>> - typing brings up the class search dialog >>>> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts >>>> right >>>> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >>>> - cmd-F to search packages >>>> - cmd-f to search classes >>>> - start typing to do a basic package search >>>> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >>>> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code >>>> pane, >>>> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the >>>> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the >>>> template, >>>> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because >>>> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to >>>> double-click >>>> anyway. Two suggestions >>>> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" >>>> menu >>>> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >>>> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >>>> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >>>> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >>>> >>>> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: >>>> http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Philippe Back >>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>> >>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>> http://philippeback.be >>> >>> High Octane SPRL >>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>> 1301 Bierges >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Philippe Back >> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >> >> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >> http://philippeback.be >> >> High Octane SPRL >> rue cour Boisacq 101 >> 1301 Bierges >> >> >> > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: > http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 22, 2012