April 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.4 Released

by Benjamin

On Apr 23, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote: > > On 2012-04-21, at 20:08, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > >> What a tremendous list of accomplishments!! I'm blown away every time I read >> it... >> >> Are there more detailed descriptions of these bullets? Specifically I'm >> interested in: >> >> Marcus Denker-4 wrote >>> >>> - Better primitive simulation > > the following two go together, see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4617 > mainly the startup handling has been made more robust and decent command-line notifications have been added. > so you will get a nicely colored stack-trace when loading a script with an error. Plus CodeLoader has been simplified >>> - Better headless support >>> - Better support for error at startup > > I guess the new ClassSearch popping up in Nautilus / Browser on cmd/ctrl-F > + MC / TestRunner search fields on top of the lists a bit buggy but useful ;) Ben >>> - Search in tools >>> - Better search > >

April 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] The video about Athens

by Marcus Denker

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, all > > I recorded a small introductory video about Athens. > Here it is: > > http://vimeo.com/40653315 > > (about 21 minutes). > The Audio track is now working. -- Marcus DenkerÂ --Â denker(a)acm.org http://www.marcusdenker.de

April 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.4 Released

by Camillo Bruni

On 2012-04-21, at 20:08, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > What a tremendous list of accomplishments!! I'm blown away every time I read > it... > > Are there more detailed descriptions of these bullets? Specifically I'm > interested in: > > Marcus Denker-4 wrote >> >> - Better primitive simulation the following two go together, see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4617 mainly the startup handling has been made more robust and decent command-line notifications have been added. so you will get a nicely colored stack-trace when loading a script with an error. Plus CodeLoader has been simplified >> - Better headless support >> - Better support for error at startup I guess the new ClassSearch popping up in Nautilus / Browser on cmd/ctrl-F + MC / TestRunner search fields on top of the lists >> - Search in tools >> - Better search

April 23, 2012

[Pharo-project] The Squeak vs Pharo hostility... (was Re: [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk)

by GÃ¶ran Krampe

Hey all! On 04/23/2012 03:43 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> It doesn't really matter who started it. We all like to come over this. It can happen and the only thing making it worse is to talk about the fact that it happened. >> >> Yeah, I don't care either about who started it - I am just tired of it :). > > May be other people are tired by other aspects? > No? I guess so. I don't follow. What do you mean? > We have a vision and people can help making it true or not. :) > But our goal is to support business emerge (with our little mean) but we try hard. I know and I am all behind it, 100%. The thing is, this "history" behind the Squeak/Pharo divide is still lurking between the lines and I (personally) am tired of it. For example, I often get the feeling that my posts to this list raise replies as if I am some kind of "outsider", just because I was heavily involved in Squeak earlier or something. I am a Pharoer too. I may be more of a bystander these days than a contributor (since I don't have a lot of time to spend) - but I am only using *Pharo* these days, not Squeak. Yup, sorry Squeak, but it is just the reality. I *still* wish the best for Squeak though, and all other open source or commercial efforts in the Smalltalk arena. I think it would be nice if we all could be a little bit more positive and inclusive, especially the people who are prominent in our (overlapping) communities - you set the example. :) I really don't see any gain in Pharo spewing negatives over Squeak, Squeak is still the inheritage of Pharo and I for one am proud of the friendliness of the Smalltalk community. Nor of course see I any gain in spewing in the other direction, it goes both ways. Now, I suspect this light criticism wrapped up in smileys and all, and with all the good intentions, will still lead to negative replies. But I hope not. Perhaps time to simply move on? ;) regards, GÃ¶ran PS. I love all the momentum in Pharo right now, it all looks very good, and I am itching digging into 1.4! Superb work.

April 23, 2012

[Pharo-project] monticello repos speedup

by Camillo Bruni

I figured a specific bottleneck of the current implementation of MC is the uniqe version name check. On gemstone this takes 4seconds! for the pharo inbox, definitely too long... The culprit can be found here MCFileBasedRepository >> includesVersionNamed: aString ^ self allVersionNames includes: aString assuming that the PharoInbox consists of quite some versions (currently 947) this is quite some overhead. I would suggest the following improvements: - add a specific includesVersionNamed: server-side service - add a simpler allVersionNames service that returns a newline separated list of filenames (not an html doc!) By having specific MC repository implementations everything would be 100% backwards compatible since no services are removed nor is the default http repository implementation changed. what do you think?

April 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Zodiak SSL on 1.4 problem

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Sven, update: Now I loaded Zodiak-Extra and Zinc-Zodiak and ZnHTTPSTests all pass. While below mentioned test still fails. Dne 23. 04. 2012 15:59, piÅ¡e Janko MivÅ¡ek: > Dne 23. 04. 2012 15:51, piÅ¡e Sven Van Caekenberghe: > >>> I just installed Zodiak into 1.4 image but >>> ZdcSecureSocketTests>>#testPlain failed with 'Connection closed while >>> waiting for data". Any idea what could be wrong? Any idea how to further >>> debug? >>> >>> I did: >>> >>> 1. Gofer it >>> squeaksource: 'Zodiac'; >>> package: 'Zodiac-Core'; >>> package: 'Zodiac-Tests'; >>> load. >>> >>> 2. Copied from Zodiak OneClick: >>> SqueakSSL.dll >>> Contents/Linux/SqueakSSL.so >>> 3. Restarted image >>> >>> On Linux openSuse 12.1 64bit > >> Did you install the 32-bit versions of the OpenSSL libs ? >> Something equivalent to sudo apt-get install libssl0.9.8:i386 ? > > Yes, just checked and on openSuse there are always 32bit equivalents > installed on the 64bit system. > > Also this exception is raised quite late, after connection is already > established and request sent, but reading the response raises it. I'd > therefore conclude that openSSL library is present and at least partly > works. > > Best regards > Janko > -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

April 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk

by GÃ¶ran Krampe

Hi! On 04/23/2012 03:40 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> Just cloning it off into Pharo and forking seems... less optimal. Any ideas or thoughts? > > I do not get what you mean. I just want to work on our roadmap and make it getting real. > It is hard enough to get some momentum and to deliver for real. > So can you help us to get focused? > People can do what they want. I wrote a vision document. We have a roadmap > and we will do it. Ok, let me clarify. I was just wondering how the Pharo community wants to handle a case where a substantial component (in this case, this new editor) is not *primarily* developed in Pharo (in this case Cuis). The simple route is to just copy and fork. But IMHO this doesn't leverage the team already around this editor, right? We (Pharo) can't just go around and forking everything and maintaining everything for ourselves, right? I just got interested in that problem - now, later replies indicated that it would still need a substantial rewrite for Pharo, so perhaps the situation I am describing is not really applicable in this case. regards, GÃ¶ran

April 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Zodiak SSL on 1.4 problem

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Dne 23. 04. 2012 15:51, piÅ¡e Sven Van Caekenberghe: >> I just installed Zodiak into 1.4 image but >> ZdcSecureSocketTests>>#testPlain failed with 'Connection closed while >> waiting for data". Any idea what could be wrong? Any idea how to further >> debug? >> >> I did: >> >> 1. Gofer it >> squeaksource: 'Zodiac'; >> package: 'Zodiac-Core'; >> package: 'Zodiac-Tests'; >> load. >> >> 2. Copied from Zodiak OneClick: >> SqueakSSL.dll >> Contents/Linux/SqueakSSL.so >> 3. Restarted image >> >> On Linux openSuse 12.1 64bit > Did you install the 32-bit versions of the OpenSSL libs ? > Something equivalent to sudo apt-get install libssl0.9.8:i386 ? Yes, just checked and on openSuse there are always 32bit equivalents installed on the 64bit system. Also this exception is raised quite late, after connection is already established and request sent, but reading the response raises it. I'd therefore conclude that openSSL library is present and at least partly works. Best regards Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

April 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] new icon set

by Fernando Olivero

Great work Esteban, lets hope you get bored often during this year! Even though they are far from perfect, i think its a great improvement from the current icon set. , a more consistent look and feel. Saludos, Fernando pd: We could also try with the oxygen icon set imported with ExternalIconFamily importer. On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I didn't find anyone... if you find one (it has to be famfam), let me know and I'll add it. > > Esteban > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Guillermo Polito wrote: > > I like them. Â Except for the test runner one :P. Â Isn't there any other nicer? > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com<mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi, > > I just hacked (well, yesterday, I was bored in my room) a new icon set for pharo, based on famfam icons. > > How to get it? just drop the mcz into your pharo image, then execute: > > ThemeIcons initializeIcons. > World resetWorldMenu. > > (you can't switch back, so... be careful :) > I want to replace old icons with these... what do you think? > > I'm attaching some screnshots. > > > > > > > > > > >

April 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] new icon set

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

good idea. Stef > Hi, > > I just hacked (well, yesterday, I was bored in my room) a new icon set for pharo, based on famfam icons. > > How to get it? just drop the mcz into your pharo image, then execute: > > ThemeIcons initializeIcons. > World resetWorldMenu. > > (you can't switch back, so... be careful :) > I want to replace old icons with these... what do you think? > > I'm attaching some screnshots. > > <FamFam-Icons-EstebanLorenzano.1.mcz> > > > <shot1.png> > > <shot2.png>

April 23, 2012