April 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] About Cypress [Was: Re: [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk]

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Francisco Sorry but you do not know. Read the mails I sent in the past in the metacello mailing-list. We use literal arrays to represent Moose models since years and it works well. So my mail is not emotional. I already mentioned facts in the metacello mailing-list. Stef On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Francisco Garau wrote: > Hi Stef - you know I like you and appreciate how much you are doing for Pharo and the Smalltalk community. > > But when I read comments like this... I think you are shooting yourself in the foot! > > The last sentence is the one I am talking about: you cannot say decision is "stupid". I think you are showing your emotions there... and funny that you previously said the JSON vs Literal discussion had been emotional. > > You are our benevolent dictator. > > Please, be a little bit more diplomatic in your emails! > > - Francisco > > On 24 April 2012 06:25, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Igor > I completely agree and I propose to write a literal array platform independent parser > but I gave up because this is discussion was emotional like > let us JSON to attract people to Smalltalk wonderful idea. > > I think that it is stupid to use another syntax for storing meta-data. > > Stef > >

April 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk

by Edgar J. De Cleene

On 4/23/12 10:28 PM, "Juan Vuletich (mail lists)" <juanlists(a)jvuletich.org> wrote: > I think Spoon could be very useful. I'm waiting for some tutorial or > howto on how to use Spoon for this. Craig ? Several of us wait a tutorial of how you got from Spoon to Cuis .... Edgar

April 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] About Cypress [Was: Re: [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk]

by phil＠highoctane.be

These discussions just sound like what I see happening at clients places all the time... Unless someone keeps the thing straight, this is just burning cash and time and getting nowhere. Diplomacy and software do not work together. The computer doesn't care. What works is software and marketing. That's different. Phil 2012/4/24 Francisco Garau <francisco.garau(a)gmail.com> > Hi Stef - you know I like you and appreciate how much you are doing for > Pharo and the Smalltalk community. > > But when I read comments like this... I think you are shooting yourself in > the foot! > > The last sentence is the one I am talking about: you cannot say decision > is "stupid". I think you are showing your emotions there... and funny that > you previously said the JSON vs Literal discussion had been emotional. > > You are our benevolent dictator. > > Please, be a little bit more diplomatic in your emails! > > - Francisco > > On 24 April 2012 06:25, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>wrote: > >> Igor >> I completely agree and I propose to write a literal array platform >> independent parser >> but I gave up because this is discussion was emotional like >> let us JSON to attract people to Smalltalk wonderful idea. >> >> I think that it is stupid to use another syntax for storing meta-data. >> >> Stef > > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Tirade!

by GÃ¶ran Krampe

On 04/24/2012 10:04 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 24 Apr 2012, at 08:58, GÃ¶ran Krampe wrote: > >> And yet again I point to Tirade :) >> >> http://goran.krampe.se/blog/Squeak/Tirade.rdoc >> http://goran.krampe.se/blog/Squeak/Tirade2.rdoc >> http://goran.krampe.se/blog/Squeak/Tirade3.rdoc >> >> Especially Tirade2 above shows a bit about size (4 classes, 500 loc) speed and portability. Tirade is basically a parser for Smalltalk messages that only are allowed to use literals as arguments (although arbitrarily nested literals). >> >> Which is exactly what Stef describes + a bit more. :) > > Yeah, I remember reading that a long time ago. It is indeed a cool idea, GÃ¶ran. Reminds me of the Erlang related UBF (http://www.sics.se/~joe/ubf/site/home.html) > > I think the JSON choise is not bad: it is simple and universally accepted. > > Sven Yeah, personally I am not upset over JSON - but if one would really want something more Smalltalkish - then Tirade is exactly that IMHO. regards, GÃ¶ran

April 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] About Cypress [Was: Re: [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk]

by Esteban Lorenzano

oh, come on guys! Infinite threads asking to be polite are even worst than the supposed "troll" emails... slow down, pleeeeeeease. we are going to die intoxicated by susceptibility :) Esteban On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Norbert Hartl wrote: > > Am 24.04.2012 um 09:45 schrieb Francisco Garau: > >> Hi Stef - you know I like you and appreciate how much you are doing for Pharo and the Smalltalk community. >> >> But when I read comments like this... I think you are shooting yourself in the foot! >> >> The last sentence is the one I am talking about: you cannot say decision is "stupid". I think you are showing your emotions there... and funny that you previously said the JSON vs Literal discussion had been emotional. >> > Well, he said it was emotional. He just didn't tell who was emotional :) > >> You are our benevolent dictator. >> >> Please, be a little bit more diplomatic in your emails! >> > But he is french, he is supposed to say: NO! :) > > Basically I think you are right. But then I think we shouldn't be too hard to ourselves. And I'm sure Dale is not offended by that. So where is the problem? > > Norbert > >> >> On 24 April 2012 06:25, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Igor >> I completely agree and I propose to write a literal array platform independent parser >> but I gave up because this is discussion was emotional like >> let us JSON to attract people to Smalltalk wonderful idea. >> >> I think that it is stupid to use another syntax for storing meta-data. >> >> Stef >> >> >

April 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Tirade! (was: Re: About Cypress [Was: Re: [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk])

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 24 Apr 2012, at 08:58, GÃ¶ran Krampe wrote: > And yet again I point to Tirade :) > > http://goran.krampe.se/blog/Squeak/Tirade.rdoc > http://goran.krampe.se/blog/Squeak/Tirade2.rdoc > http://goran.krampe.se/blog/Squeak/Tirade3.rdoc > > Especially Tirade2 above shows a bit about size (4 classes, 500 loc) speed and portability. Tirade is basically a parser for Smalltalk messages that only are allowed to use literals as arguments (although arbitrarily nested literals). > > Which is exactly what Stef describes + a bit more. :) Yeah, I remember reading that a long time ago. It is indeed a cool idea, GÃ¶ran. Reminds me of the Erlang related UBF (http://www.sics.se/~joe/ubf/site/home.html) I think the JSON choise is not bad: it is simple and universally accepted. Sven

April 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] About Cypress [Was: Re: [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk]

by Norbert Hartl

Am 24.04.2012 um 09:45 schrieb Francisco Garau: > Hi Stef - you know I like you and appreciate how much you are doing for Pharo and the Smalltalk community. > > But when I read comments like this... I think you are shooting yourself in the foot! > > The last sentence is the one I am talking about: you cannot say decision is "stupid". I think you are showing your emotions there... and funny that you previously said the JSON vs Literal discussion had been emotional. > Well, he said it was emotional. He just didn't tell who was emotional :) > You are our benevolent dictator. > > Please, be a little bit more diplomatic in your emails! > But he is french, he is supposed to say: NO! :) Basically I think you are right. But then I think we shouldn't be too hard to ourselves. And I'm sure Dale is not offended by that. So where is the problem? Norbert > > On 24 April 2012 06:25, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Igor > I completely agree and I propose to write a literal array platform independent parser > but I gave up because this is discussion was emotional like > let us JSON to attract people to Smalltalk wonderful idea. > > I think that it is stupid to use another syntax for storing meta-data. > > Stef > >

April 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] PharoLauncher for Mac users

by Francisco Garau

Thanks HwaJong - out of curiosity, why for 10.7 only? (I am still in 10.6... ) On 23 April 2012 16:23, HwaJong Oh <daliot.oh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If you are a Mac(Lion) user, who program in Pharo or other Squeak-like > Smalltalk (Squeak, Cobalt, Seaside one-click, Croquet, EToy, DrGeo > one-click, ...) , there is a better way to manage your images. > > It is fast to launch an image, easy to manage various VM and image > combinations without confusion, safe to delete image files, fast to > laucn&quit images to review many images, easy to launch many images > simultaneously. > > You can download it in AppStore: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pharo-launcher/id503025789?mt=12 > Demonstration video 1: http://screencast.com/t/jJQD4JjXx > Demonstration video 2: http://screencast.com/t/UZIbf3dk7 > > New version of it is released every one or more weeks. > People who are using PharoLauncher(SeungBum Kim, Kuritar, Serge, Laurent) > gave me many feedbacks, and some of them are implemented. > > I hope you enjoy PharoLauncher. Any feedback is appreciated. > > HwaJong Oh > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/ANN-PharoLauncher-for-Mac-users-tp4580756p4580756.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

April 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] About Cypress [Was: Re: [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk]

by Francisco Garau

Hi Stef - you know I like you and appreciate how much you are doing for Pharo and the Smalltalk community. But when I read comments like this... I think you are shooting yourself in the foot! The last sentence is the one I am talking about: you cannot say decision is "stupid". I think you are showing your emotions there... and funny that you previously said the JSON vs Literal discussion had been emotional. You are our benevolent dictator. Please, be a little bit more diplomatic in your emails! - Francisco On 24 April 2012 06:25, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Igor > I completely agree and I propose to write a literal array platform > independent parser > but I gave up because this is discussion was emotional like > let us JSON to attract people to Smalltalk wonderful idea. > > I think that it is stupid to use another syntax for storing meta-data. > > Stef

April 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] new icon set

by Norbert Hartl

Igor, that sounds cool. But what do you do on a server image with shiny rendered vector based icons. What will be in the image after cleanUpForProduction? my 2 cents, Norbert Am 24.04.2012 um 01:36 schrieb Igor Stasenko: > no, guys.. you lost me.. the things you propose is like stone age :) > > i want something which will give us much better things.. > like this one: > http://raphaeljs.com/icons/ > or this: > http://www.tehkseven.net/blog/1/entry-1066-475-free-awesome-high-quality-ic… > > and they are in SVG format.. so you don't lose a bit of quality .. > never. anymore :) > > On 24 April 2012 01:44, Martin Sandiford <ms(a)mcdev.com.au> wrote: >> How about "cake" from the silk set? :) >> >> More seriously, what about "rosette"? >> >> I'm guessing that this is the set used: >> http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/silk/previews/index_abc.png >> >> The bullets look kind of familiar from OmniBrowser test cases. >> >> Cheers, >> Martin >> >> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Guillermo Polito >> <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I like them. Except for the test runner one :P. Isn't there any other >>> nicer? >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

April 24, 2012