April 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] Investigating PluggableTextMorph - Moose to the rescue?

by phil＠highoctane.be

I am trying to wrap my mind around PluggableTextMorph and its internals. I am using the latest 1.4, where there has been some cleanup done (yay!) So, PluggableTextMorph, TextMorphForEditView, Text, Paragraph, TextComposer, CharacterScanner, Stylers (in Shout), TextAttributes etc. I need to understand this for my little game based on text and attributes (there is nothing like a 'real' project to cut my teeth on a myriad of issues). I wondered if I could make use of Moose for that. There are things like in setText that use the textMorphClass instance variable and I am not sure I can get structural information from parametrized selectors and classnames done that way. Would Moose be helpful there? Or am I better doing a Debug It (like I am doing now) and drawing Class and Interaction diagrams ? Truth be told I am a VAR of Sparx Enterprise Architect (and heavy user). Maybe is it possible to have a bridge between Pharo and Sparx EA to get some documentation done easily. I can import metadata through scripting. So, remixing FAMIX/Moose/Pharo and some investigations may end up providing some nice figures to help with PBE2. So, tell me what you think and/or where I should go. There are no reverse engineering tools for pharo but these should be easy to build for a ton of things. Has anybody done an XMI exporter for Pharo classes? Phil

April 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] was Re: new 1.3 one click

by phil＠highoctane.be

Raspberry Pi. mmmh. We need to wait for next batches :-) Phil 2012/4/11 David Graham <david(a)unthinkable.org> > On 4/11/12 2:37 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> David, >> >> Fair enough - thanks for the scouting report. I hope you are wrong about >> separate binaries. It would be sad enough if we had to detect the distro >> and act accordingly :( A candidate for that is Ubuntu's integration of >> dynamic library loading with dlconfig. I think they have a good idea, but >> Cog goes to pieces trying to decorate the library name, when the module >> name as given is the place to look first. I would like to see other >> distros implement the Ubuntu solution, because it *really* makes sense. >> > > To make things even more complicated, I'm actually playing with Fedora > since it's going to be the default OS for the Raspberry Pi. I'm really > hoping someone picks up the GSOC CogVM Arm project, but I intend to help > with this effort regardless. As an aside, I've been playing with Squeak > 4.2 on the BeagleBone (headless ARM board running Angstrom linux), which > compiles and runs without issue. It's really fun to read sensors and blink > LEDs from smalltalk, and now a smalltalk powered robot is slowly taking > shape in my workshop. :) > >> >> What do you think of Gnome 3? Any recommendations to escape it (I'm not >> a fan). Unity is the sole reason I'm looking at other distros - given >> Gnome 2, I'd be an Ubuntu guy in perpetuity. >> > > Have you tried Linux Mint? > >> >> Bill >> >> >> > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Vm on iOS with Xcode 4.3

by phil＠highoctane.be

Where can I get this miniPavel image? Google turns nothing back with that query. Phil 2012/4/11 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > cooooooooooool! > > Phil you can also use the miniPavel image. I imagine that we will get a > way smaller image pretty soon. > With Pharo 2.0 pointing its nose soon we will get a bit more incentive to > restructure Morphic. > Then a bootstrapped image in coming along so time is cool > > Stef > > > On Apr 11, 2012, at 11:25 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > > Ah, Screenshots. There you go, direct from the device. > > > > 2012/4/11 Yanni Chiu <yanni(a)rogers.com> > > On 11/04/12 3:16 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > Success! > > > > I removed the platform variable in the main project and I am now able to > > run the thing on my iPad. > > > > It looks ugly and Pharo complains about a lack of memory. > > > > But it loads, I was able to show a world menu and a browser. > > > > What, no screenshot? :) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Philippe Back > > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: > phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > > http://philippeback.be > > > > High Octane SPRL > > rue cour Boisacq 101 > > 1301 Bierges > > > > <Screenshot.png> > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Vm on iOS with Xcode 4.3

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

cooooooooooool! Phil you can also use the miniPavel image. I imagine that we will get a way smaller image pretty soon. With Pharo 2.0 pointing its nose soon we will get a bit more incentive to restructure Morphic. Then a bootstrapped image in coming along so time is cool Stef On Apr 11, 2012, at 11:25 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Ah, Screenshots. There you go, direct from the device. > > 2012/4/11 Yanni Chiu <yanni(a)rogers.com> > On 11/04/12 3:16 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Success! > > I removed the platform variable in the main project and I am now able to > run the thing on my iPad. > > It looks ugly and Pharo complains about a lack of memory. > > But it loads, I was able to show a world menu and a browser. > > What, no screenshot? :) > > > > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges > > <Screenshot.png>

April 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] was Re: new 1.3 one click

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Apr 11, 2012, at 11:08 PM, David Graham wrote: > On 4/11/12 2:37 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >> David, >> >> Fair enough - thanks for the scouting report. I hope you are wrong about separate binaries. It would be sad enough if we had to detect the distro and act accordingly :( A candidate for that is Ubuntu's integration of dynamic library loading with dlconfig. I think they have a good idea, but Cog goes to pieces trying to decorate the library name, when the module name as given is the place to look first. I would like to see other distros implement the Ubuntu solution, because it *really* makes sense. > > To make things even more complicated, I'm actually playing with Fedora since it's going to be the default OS for the Raspberry Pi. We really want pharo on Pi. :) > I'm really hoping someone picks up the GSOC CogVM Arm project, but I intend to help with this effort regardless. As an aside, I've been playing with Squeak 4.2 on the BeagleBone (headless ARM board running Angstrom linux), which compiles and runs without issue. It's really fun to read sensors and blink LEDs from smalltalk, and now a smalltalk powered robot is slowly taking shape in my workshop. :) The plate of esteban is starting to get full but indeed arm support would be good also for native boost I imagine. >> >> What do you think of Gnome 3? Any recommendations to escape it (I'm not a fan). Unity is the sole reason I'm looking at other distros - given Gnome 2, I'd be an Ubuntu guy in perpetuity. > > Have you tried Linux Mint? >> >> Bill >> >> > >

April 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] was Re: new 1.3 one click

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

I looked at Mint, but do need to actually install and play. thanks. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of David Graham [david(a)unthinkable.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:08 PM To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: [Pharo-project] was Re: new 1.3 one click On 4/11/12 2:37 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > David, > > Fair enough - thanks for the scouting report. I hope you are wrong about separate binaries. It would be sad enough if we had to detect the distro and act accordingly :( A candidate for that is Ubuntu's integration of dynamic library loading with dlconfig. I think they have a good idea, but Cog goes to pieces trying to decorate the library name, when the module name as given is the place to look first. I would like to see other distros implement the Ubuntu solution, because it *really* makes sense. To make things even more complicated, I'm actually playing with Fedora since it's going to be the default OS for the Raspberry Pi. I'm really hoping someone picks up the GSOC CogVM Arm project, but I intend to help with this effort regardless. As an aside, I've been playing with Squeak 4.2 on the BeagleBone (headless ARM board running Angstrom linux), which compiles and runs without issue. It's really fun to read sensors and blink LEDs from smalltalk, and now a smalltalk powered robot is slowly taking shape in my workshop. :) > > What do you think of Gnome 3? Any recommendations to escape it (I'm not a fan). Unity is the sole reason I'm looking at other distros - given Gnome 2, I'd be an Ubuntu guy in perpetuity. Have you tried Linux Mint? > > Bill > >

April 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Vm on iOS with Xcode 4.3

by phil＠highoctane.be

Other thing: The debug console in Xcode shows an endless stream of >>STARTING SMALLTALK LOG<< like mad, works for a while, I get a memory error and then a dump. Check attachment. 2012/4/11 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > Hi, > > On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:18 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > It was late. So, I removed the extra variable on the top config and the > rest followed suit. > > > yeah, I need to reproduce that on cmake level... should be easy, but I > have no idea of what I need to change. > > > Now, the VM seems to be either eating too much memory or not having enough > available. > > > plain image is a memory eater... for production you need a smaller one > (10-15m images works fine, bigger starts to have memory issues) > > > Reading from John Mc Intosh text, it seems that his iSqueak VM had > settings to configure that. They seem absent from the iStackVM as build. > > > not anymore (for now). You need to touch that by hand, on startup sequence > (I will send the right place tomorrow). > > > Also, a nib file isn't editable in Xcode 4.3 --> xib may be better now. We > may have to recreate. > > > yup, but make can't compile xibs (that's why I'm using nib, I need make to > automatize process and create a jenkins job. In future cmakemaker versions > I will add an external compilation for that, but for now is ok like > that)... you can just change nib with corresponding xib (it is there too). > > > I see that the iPhone image in the resources folder contains > customizations for iPhone (I think this is mostly for touch stuff). Is > there any doc about that? > > > yes, is to allow image to handle complex events. It also installs > ObjectiveCBridge2 to allow some interaction with machine. Sadly no, there > is no documentation, just the code. > > > Main concern now: how to configure the amount of RAM for the system? > > > answered (partially) up > > > Another problem is that the screen doesn't resizes when rotated. We may > want to lock those things down. > > > it should rotate... after you install iPhone package. > > > I see that the provided image is a 1.4 something. How to shrink that? Or > is there a Squeak image I could run instead of a pharo one just for tests? > > > ScriptLoader new cleanUpForProduction. > > cheers, > Esteban > > > Rgds, > philippe > > 2012/4/11 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > >> congrats! >> >> you succeed by touching CMakeMaker or by removing undesired path by hand, >> in Xcode project? >> >> Esteban >> >> On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:16 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >> Success! >> >> I removed the platform variable in the main project and I am now able to >> run the thing on my iPad. >> >> It looks ugly and Pharo complains about a lack of memory. >> >> But it loads, I was able to show a world menu and a browser. >> >> More later. But it is already something. >> >> Thanks for your help! >> >> Phil >> >> 2012/4/11 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> >>> nop... configuration is fine (I used same for build VMs on jenkins) >>> I don't know what the problem is :( >>> >>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 6:13 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>> >>> Something fetches .139 in there on the first: >>> >>> (ConfigurationOfCog project version: '4.4') load. >>> >>> When doing it *again* >>> >>> (ConfigurationOfCog project version: '4.4') load. >>> >>> It loads the .150 version. >>> >>> I don't know why or how. But this is what happens. >>> >>> Package-cache after first: >>> >>> PhilMac:package-cache philippeback$ ls -l >>> total 7640 >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 39108 11 avr 18:03 >>> Alien-Core-IgorStasenko.68.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 28655 11 avr 18:03 >>> Applescript-Core-SeanDeNigris.2.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 10223 11 avr 18:03 >>> Balloon-Engine-Pools-JB.2.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 104943 11 avr 18:04 >>> CMakeVMMaker-IgorStasenko.154.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 86144 11 avr 18:04 Cog-eem.46.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3616 11 avr 18:03 >>> CogVMMakerPharoCompatibility-MarianoMartinezPeck.3.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 15512 11 avr 18:00 >>> ConfigurationOfCog-EstebanLorenzano.60.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 9370 11 avr 18:02 >>> ConfigurationOfGofer-dkh.36.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 4613 11 avr 18:02 >>> ConfigurationOfHelpSystem-DaleHenrichs.13.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 102918 11 avr 18:01 >>> ConfigurationOfMetacello-dkh.675.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3799 11 avr 18:02 >>> FFI-Pools-eem.3.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 23387 11 avr 18:03 >>> Freetype-Plugin-dtl.63.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 8966 11 avr 18:01 >>> Metacello-Base-DaleHenrichs.19.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 88661 11 avr 18:01 >>> Metacello-Core-dkh.465.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 89663 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Core-dkh.468.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 7236 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Help-dkh.11.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 113626 11 avr 18:01 >>> Metacello-MC-dkh.522.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 116611 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-MC-dkh.531.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 5693 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Platform.pharo-DaleHenrichs.25.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 5942 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Platform.pharo-dkh.27.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 31656 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-ToolBox-dkh.107.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 15280 11 avr 18:03 >>> ObjectiveC-Plugin-John M McIntosh.20.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3701 11 avr 18:04 >>> Qwaq-VMProfiling-Plugins-JB.5.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3401 11 avr 18:02 >>> SharedPool-Speech-dtl.2.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 214595 11 avr 18:03 >>> Sound-MarianoMartinezPeck.67.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 78189 11 avr 18:04 >>> VMConstruction-Plugins-OSProcessPlugin.oscog-eem.32.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 2649278 11 avr 18:03 >>> VMMaker-oscog-EstebanLorenzano.139.mcz >>> PhilMac:package-cache philippeback$ Full load from zero. >>> >>> >>> After second load: >>> >>> PhilMac:package-cache philippeback$ ls -l >>> total 12832 >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 39108 11 avr 18:03 >>> Alien-Core-IgorStasenko.68.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 28655 11 avr 18:03 >>> Applescript-Core-SeanDeNigris.2.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 10223 11 avr 18:03 >>> Balloon-Engine-Pools-JB.2.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 104943 11 avr 18:04 >>> CMakeVMMaker-IgorStasenko.154.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 86144 11 avr 18:04 Cog-eem.46.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3616 11 avr 18:03 >>> CogVMMakerPharoCompatibility-MarianoMartinezPeck.3.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 15512 11 avr 18:00 >>> ConfigurationOfCog-EstebanLorenzano.60.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 9370 11 avr 18:02 >>> ConfigurationOfGofer-dkh.36.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 4613 11 avr 18:02 >>> ConfigurationOfHelpSystem-DaleHenrichs.13.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 102918 11 avr 18:01 >>> ConfigurationOfMetacello-dkh.675.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3799 11 avr 18:02 >>> FFI-Pools-eem.3.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 23387 11 avr 18:03 >>> Freetype-Plugin-dtl.63.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 8966 11 avr 18:01 >>> Metacello-Base-DaleHenrichs.19.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 88661 11 avr 18:01 >>> Metacello-Core-dkh.465.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 89663 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Core-dkh.468.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 7236 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Help-dkh.11.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 113626 11 avr 18:01 >>> Metacello-MC-dkh.522.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 116611 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-MC-dkh.531.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 5693 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Platform.pharo-DaleHenrichs.25.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 5942 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Platform.pharo-dkh.27.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 31656 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-ToolBox-dkh.107.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 15280 11 avr 18:03 >>> ObjectiveC-Plugin-John M McIntosh.20.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3701 11 avr 18:04 >>> Qwaq-VMProfiling-Plugins-JB.5.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3401 11 avr 18:02 >>> SharedPool-Speech-dtl.2.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 214595 11 avr 18:03 >>> Sound-MarianoMartinezPeck.67.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 78189 11 avr 18:04 >>> VMConstruction-Plugins-OSProcessPlugin.oscog-eem.32.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 2649278 11 avr 18:03 >>> VMMaker-oscog-EstebanLorenzano.139.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 2656869 11 avr 18:08 >>> VMMaker-oscog-EstebanLorenzano.150.mcz >>> >>> After the second load: IOSPlugin is in there, no problem. >>> >>> There must be something wrong in the Metacello config. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2012/4/11 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> that is strange, because you should have >>>> version VMMaker-oscog-EstebanLorenzano.150 >>>> >>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:18 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>>> >>>> I had a fresh 1.4 downloaded from Inria. >>>> >>>> Then did this in a Workspace: >>>> >>>> Gofer it squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; >>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfCog'; >>>> load. >>>> >>>> (ConfigurationOfCog project version: '4.4') load. >>>> >>>> CogCocoaIOSConfig new >>>> "generateForDebug;" >>>> addExternalPlugins: #(FT2Plugin); >>>> generateSources; generate. >>>> >>>> (StackIPhoneConfig new) >>>> "generateForDebug;" >>>> addExternalPlugins: #(IOSPlugin) >>>> generateSources; generate. >>>> >>>> sic := StackIPhoneConfig new. >>>> sic generateSources. >>>> sic generate. >>>> >>>> The latest things were done with the sic variable. >>>> >>>> There a no versions of VMMaker I can see like that. >>>> >>>> My package cache contains: >>>> >>>> PhilMac:image philippeback$ cd package-cache/ >>>> PhilMac:package-cache philippeback$ ls >>>> Alien-Core-IgorStasenko.68.mcz >>>> Applescript-Core-SeanDeNigris.2.mcz >>>> Balloon-Engine-Pools-JB.2.mcz >>>> CMakeVMMaker-IgorStasenko.154.mcz >>>> CMakeVMMaker-MarianoMartinezPeck.83.mcz >>>> Cog-eem.46.mcz >>>> CogVMMakerPharoCompatibility-MarianoMartinezPeck.3.mcz >>>> ConfigurationOfCog-EstebanLorenzano.60.mcz >>>> ConfigurationOfGofer-dkh.36.mcz >>>> ConfigurationOfHelpSystem-DaleHenrichs.13.mcz >>>> ConfigurationOfMetacello-dkh.675.mcz >>>> FFI-Pools-eem.3.mcz >>>> Freetype-Plugin-dtl.63.mcz >>>> Metacello-Base-DaleHenrichs.19.mcz >>>> Metacello-Core-dkh.465.mcz >>>> Metacello-Core-dkh.468.mcz >>>> Metacello-Help-dkh.11.mcz >>>> Metacello-MC-dkh.522.mcz >>>> Metacello-MC-dkh.531.mcz >>>> Metacello-Platform.pharo-DaleHenrichs.25.mcz >>>> Metacello-Platform.pharo-dkh.27.mcz >>>> Metacello-ToolBox-dkh.107.mcz >>>> ObjectiveC-Plugin-John M McIntosh.20.mcz >>>> Qwaq-VMProfiling-Plugins-JB.5.mcz >>>> SharedPool-Speech-dtl.2.mcz >>>> Sound-MarianoMartinezPeck.67.mcz >>>> VMConstruction-Plugins-OSProcessPlugin.oscog-eem.32.mcz >>>> VMMaker-oscog-EstebanLorenzano.139.mcz >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> 2012/4/11 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>>> >>>>> which VMMaker package version do you have? (bacause it has to be >>>>> there, in latests versions) >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:48 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > There is no IOSPlugin class in the image. >>>>> > >>>>> > Strange! >>>>> > >>>>> > Phil >>>>> > <PharoScreenshot.8.png> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Philippe Back >>>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>>> >>>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>>> http://philippeback.be >>>> >>>> High Octane SPRL >>>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>>> 1301 Bierges >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Philippe Back >>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>> >>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>> http://philippeback.be >>> >>> High Octane SPRL >>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>> 1301 Bierges >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Philippe Back >> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >> >> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >> http://philippeback.be >> >> High Octane SPRL >> rue cour Boisacq 101 >> 1301 Bierges >> >> >> > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: > http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Vm on iOS with Xcode 4.3

by phil＠highoctane.be

Ah, Screenshots. There you go, direct from the device. 2012/4/11 Yanni Chiu <yanni(a)rogers.com> > On 11/04/12 3:16 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> Success! >> >> I removed the platform variable in the main project and I am now able to >> run the thing on my iPad. >> >> It looks ugly and Pharo complains about a lack of memory. >> >> But it loads, I was able to show a world menu and a browser. >> > > What, no screenshot? :) > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Vm on iOS with Xcode 4.3

by phil＠highoctane.be

Ok. Looks like there is no pharocore1.4 on Jenkins. Or is it me? I can spot a 1.3 Core but no 1.4 Anyway, the iPhone.image supplied with the blessed/ is not containing ScriptLoader. Where can I get it? Phil 2012/4/11 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > Hi, > > On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:18 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > It was late. So, I removed the extra variable on the top config and the > rest followed suit. > > > yeah, I need to reproduce that on cmake level... should be easy, but I > have no idea of what I need to change. > > > Now, the VM seems to be either eating too much memory or not having enough > available. > > > plain image is a memory eater... for production you need a smaller one > (10-15m images works fine, bigger starts to have memory issues) > > > Reading from John Mc Intosh text, it seems that his iSqueak VM had > settings to configure that. They seem absent from the iStackVM as build. > > > not anymore (for now). You need to touch that by hand, on startup sequence > (I will send the right place tomorrow). > > > Also, a nib file isn't editable in Xcode 4.3 --> xib may be better now. We > may have to recreate. > > > yup, but make can't compile xibs (that's why I'm using nib, I need make to > automatize process and create a jenkins job. In future cmakemaker versions > I will add an external compilation for that, but for now is ok like > that)... you can just change nib with corresponding xib (it is there too). > > > I see that the iPhone image in the resources folder contains > customizations for iPhone (I think this is mostly for touch stuff). Is > there any doc about that? > > > yes, is to allow image to handle complex events. It also installs > ObjectiveCBridge2 to allow some interaction with machine. Sadly no, there > is no documentation, just the code. > > > Main concern now: how to configure the amount of RAM for the system? > > > answered (partially) up > > > Another problem is that the screen doesn't resizes when rotated. We may > want to lock those things down. > > > it should rotate... after you install iPhone package. > > > I see that the provided image is a 1.4 something. How to shrink that? Or > is there a Squeak image I could run instead of a pharo one just for tests? > > > ScriptLoader new cleanUpForProduction. > > cheers, > Esteban > > > Rgds, > philippe > > 2012/4/11 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > >> congrats! >> >> you succeed by touching CMakeMaker or by removing undesired path by hand, >> in Xcode project? >> >> Esteban >> >> On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:16 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >> Success! >> >> I removed the platform variable in the main project and I am now able to >> run the thing on my iPad. >> >> It looks ugly and Pharo complains about a lack of memory. >> >> But it loads, I was able to show a world menu and a browser. >> >> More later. But it is already something. >> >> Thanks for your help! >> >> Phil >> >> 2012/4/11 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> >>> nop... configuration is fine (I used same for build VMs on jenkins) >>> I don't know what the problem is :( >>> >>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 6:13 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>> >>> Something fetches .139 in there on the first: >>> >>> (ConfigurationOfCog project version: '4.4') load. >>> >>> When doing it *again* >>> >>> (ConfigurationOfCog project version: '4.4') load. >>> >>> It loads the .150 version. >>> >>> I don't know why or how. But this is what happens. >>> >>> Package-cache after first: >>> >>> PhilMac:package-cache philippeback$ ls -l >>> total 7640 >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 39108 11 avr 18:03 >>> Alien-Core-IgorStasenko.68.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 28655 11 avr 18:03 >>> Applescript-Core-SeanDeNigris.2.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 10223 11 avr 18:03 >>> Balloon-Engine-Pools-JB.2.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 104943 11 avr 18:04 >>> CMakeVMMaker-IgorStasenko.154.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 86144 11 avr 18:04 Cog-eem.46.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3616 11 avr 18:03 >>> CogVMMakerPharoCompatibility-MarianoMartinezPeck.3.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 15512 11 avr 18:00 >>> ConfigurationOfCog-EstebanLorenzano.60.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 9370 11 avr 18:02 >>> ConfigurationOfGofer-dkh.36.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 4613 11 avr 18:02 >>> ConfigurationOfHelpSystem-DaleHenrichs.13.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 102918 11 avr 18:01 >>> ConfigurationOfMetacello-dkh.675.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3799 11 avr 18:02 >>> FFI-Pools-eem.3.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 23387 11 avr 18:03 >>> Freetype-Plugin-dtl.63.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 8966 11 avr 18:01 >>> Metacello-Base-DaleHenrichs.19.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 88661 11 avr 18:01 >>> Metacello-Core-dkh.465.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 89663 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Core-dkh.468.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 7236 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Help-dkh.11.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 113626 11 avr 18:01 >>> Metacello-MC-dkh.522.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 116611 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-MC-dkh.531.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 5693 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Platform.pharo-DaleHenrichs.25.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 5942 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Platform.pharo-dkh.27.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 31656 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-ToolBox-dkh.107.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 15280 11 avr 18:03 >>> ObjectiveC-Plugin-John M McIntosh.20.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3701 11 avr 18:04 >>> Qwaq-VMProfiling-Plugins-JB.5.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3401 11 avr 18:02 >>> SharedPool-Speech-dtl.2.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 214595 11 avr 18:03 >>> Sound-MarianoMartinezPeck.67.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 78189 11 avr 18:04 >>> VMConstruction-Plugins-OSProcessPlugin.oscog-eem.32.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 2649278 11 avr 18:03 >>> VMMaker-oscog-EstebanLorenzano.139.mcz >>> PhilMac:package-cache philippeback$ Full load from zero. >>> >>> >>> After second load: >>> >>> PhilMac:package-cache philippeback$ ls -l >>> total 12832 >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 39108 11 avr 18:03 >>> Alien-Core-IgorStasenko.68.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 28655 11 avr 18:03 >>> Applescript-Core-SeanDeNigris.2.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 10223 11 avr 18:03 >>> Balloon-Engine-Pools-JB.2.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 104943 11 avr 18:04 >>> CMakeVMMaker-IgorStasenko.154.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 86144 11 avr 18:04 Cog-eem.46.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3616 11 avr 18:03 >>> CogVMMakerPharoCompatibility-MarianoMartinezPeck.3.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 15512 11 avr 18:00 >>> ConfigurationOfCog-EstebanLorenzano.60.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 9370 11 avr 18:02 >>> ConfigurationOfGofer-dkh.36.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 4613 11 avr 18:02 >>> ConfigurationOfHelpSystem-DaleHenrichs.13.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 102918 11 avr 18:01 >>> ConfigurationOfMetacello-dkh.675.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3799 11 avr 18:02 >>> FFI-Pools-eem.3.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 23387 11 avr 18:03 >>> Freetype-Plugin-dtl.63.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 8966 11 avr 18:01 >>> Metacello-Base-DaleHenrichs.19.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 88661 11 avr 18:01 >>> Metacello-Core-dkh.465.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 89663 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Core-dkh.468.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 7236 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Help-dkh.11.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 113626 11 avr 18:01 >>> Metacello-MC-dkh.522.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 116611 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-MC-dkh.531.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 5693 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Platform.pharo-DaleHenrichs.25.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 5942 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-Platform.pharo-dkh.27.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 31656 11 avr 18:02 >>> Metacello-ToolBox-dkh.107.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 15280 11 avr 18:03 >>> ObjectiveC-Plugin-John M McIntosh.20.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3701 11 avr 18:04 >>> Qwaq-VMProfiling-Plugins-JB.5.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 3401 11 avr 18:02 >>> SharedPool-Speech-dtl.2.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 214595 11 avr 18:03 >>> Sound-MarianoMartinezPeck.67.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 78189 11 avr 18:04 >>> VMConstruction-Plugins-OSProcessPlugin.oscog-eem.32.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 2649278 11 avr 18:03 >>> VMMaker-oscog-EstebanLorenzano.139.mcz >>> -rw-r--r--@ 1 philippeback staff 2656869 11 avr 18:08 >>> VMMaker-oscog-EstebanLorenzano.150.mcz >>> >>> After the second load: IOSPlugin is in there, no problem. >>> >>> There must be something wrong in the Metacello config. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2012/4/11 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> that is strange, because you should have >>>> version VMMaker-oscog-EstebanLorenzano.150 >>>> >>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:18 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>>> >>>> I had a fresh 1.4 downloaded from Inria. >>>> >>>> Then did this in a Workspace: >>>> >>>> Gofer it squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; >>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfCog'; >>>> load. >>>> >>>> (ConfigurationOfCog project version: '4.4') load. >>>> >>>> CogCocoaIOSConfig new >>>> "generateForDebug;" >>>> addExternalPlugins: #(FT2Plugin); >>>> generateSources; generate. >>>> >>>> (StackIPhoneConfig new) >>>> "generateForDebug;" >>>> addExternalPlugins: #(IOSPlugin) >>>> generateSources; generate. >>>> >>>> sic := StackIPhoneConfig new. >>>> sic generateSources. >>>> sic generate. >>>> >>>> The latest things were done with the sic variable. >>>> >>>> There a no versions of VMMaker I can see like that. >>>> >>>> My package cache contains: >>>> >>>> PhilMac:image philippeback$ cd package-cache/ >>>> PhilMac:package-cache philippeback$ ls >>>> Alien-Core-IgorStasenko.68.mcz >>>> Applescript-Core-SeanDeNigris.2.mcz >>>> Balloon-Engine-Pools-JB.2.mcz >>>> CMakeVMMaker-IgorStasenko.154.mcz >>>> CMakeVMMaker-MarianoMartinezPeck.83.mcz >>>> Cog-eem.46.mcz >>>> CogVMMakerPharoCompatibility-MarianoMartinezPeck.3.mcz >>>> ConfigurationOfCog-EstebanLorenzano.60.mcz >>>> ConfigurationOfGofer-dkh.36.mcz >>>> ConfigurationOfHelpSystem-DaleHenrichs.13.mcz >>>> ConfigurationOfMetacello-dkh.675.mcz >>>> FFI-Pools-eem.3.mcz >>>> Freetype-Plugin-dtl.63.mcz >>>> Metacello-Base-DaleHenrichs.19.mcz >>>> Metacello-Core-dkh.465.mcz >>>> Metacello-Core-dkh.468.mcz >>>> Metacello-Help-dkh.11.mcz >>>> Metacello-MC-dkh.522.mcz >>>> Metacello-MC-dkh.531.mcz >>>> Metacello-Platform.pharo-DaleHenrichs.25.mcz >>>> Metacello-Platform.pharo-dkh.27.mcz >>>> Metacello-ToolBox-dkh.107.mcz >>>> ObjectiveC-Plugin-John M McIntosh.20.mcz >>>> Qwaq-VMProfiling-Plugins-JB.5.mcz >>>> SharedPool-Speech-dtl.2.mcz >>>> Sound-MarianoMartinezPeck.67.mcz >>>> VMConstruction-Plugins-OSProcessPlugin.oscog-eem.32.mcz >>>> VMMaker-oscog-EstebanLorenzano.139.mcz >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> 2012/4/11 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>>> >>>>> which VMMaker package version do you have? (bacause it has to be >>>>> there, in latests versions) >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:48 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > There is no IOSPlugin class in the image. >>>>> > >>>>> > Strange! >>>>> > >>>>> > Phil >>>>> > <PharoScreenshot.8.png> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Philippe Back >>>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>>> >>>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>>> http://philippeback.be >>>> >>>> High Octane SPRL >>>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>>> 1301 Bierges >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Philippe Back >>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>> >>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>> http://philippeback.be >>> >>> High Octane SPRL >>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>> 1301 Bierges >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Philippe Back >> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >> >> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >> phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >> http://philippeback.be >> >> High Octane SPRL >> rue cour Boisacq 101 >> 1301 Bierges >> >> >> > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: > http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 11, 2012

[Pharo-project] was Re: new 1.3 one click

by David Graham

On 4/11/12 2:37 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > David, > > Fair enough - thanks for the scouting report. I hope you are wrong about separate binaries. It would be sad enough if we had to detect the distro and act accordingly :( A candidate for that is Ubuntu's integration of dynamic library loading with dlconfig. I think they have a good idea, but Cog goes to pieces trying to decorate the library name, when the module name as given is the place to look first. I would like to see other distros implement the Ubuntu solution, because it *really* makes sense. To make things even more complicated, I'm actually playing with Fedora since it's going to be the default OS for the Raspberry Pi. I'm really hoping someone picks up the GSOC CogVM Arm project, but I intend to help with this effort regardless. As an aside, I've been playing with Squeak 4.2 on the BeagleBone (headless ARM board running Angstrom linux), which compiles and runs without issue. It's really fun to read sensors and blink LEDs from smalltalk, and now a smalltalk powered robot is slowly taking shape in my workshop. :) > > What do you think of Gnome 3? Any recommendations to escape it (I'm not a fan). Unity is the sole reason I'm looking at other distros - given Gnome 2, I'd be an Ubuntu guy in perpetuity. Have you tried Linux Mint? > > Bill > >

April 11, 2012