April 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible?

by Guillermo Polito

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: > It's nice that there are examples that work, but the vast majority of > configs are not so well organized. > I'm not the mantainer of the majority of configs so I do not know. What I explained before is how they are supposed to work and be managed. If the person who mantains the config does not ensure you that, It's not the problem of the configuration :). Now, if there are configs not working as expected, it would be good to: - know them - tell the mantainers - try to fix one? - not yelling in general because that does not work :S. >From my side, this week I fixed the configurations of: - Glamour - OpenDBXDriver - Glorp + GlorpDBX - ScriptManager so they can load in latest 1.4. But I can't be everywhere yet :P. Also, 1.4 is has just been released, so I expect most users are moving their stuff soon. Cheers, Guille > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Guillermo > Polito [guillermopolito(a)gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, April 27, 2012 12:26 PM > > *To:* Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration > browser more visible? > > I meant: > > Example of 1) is you loading OmniBrowser or Nautilus. > Example of 2) is your project using a specific version of XmlSupport or > seaside. > Example of 3) is the ImageBuilder of Mariano, which loads a lot of stuff > to build a Development image. > > :P > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Guillermo Polito < > guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Wat? Probably there was a misunderstood... >> >> 1) if you are an user of the project, stable should be enough and fine. >> 2) if your project is coupled to the project, probably you are coupled to >> an specific version. Thus, in your configuration you better put the >> specific number :). >> 3) if your project is not coupled to the project, just inteded to load >> it, using stable should be enough and fine. >> >> Example of 1) is you loading OmniBrowser or Nautilus. >> Example of 2) is your project using a specific version of XmlSupport or >> seaside. >> Example of 3) is the ImageBuilder of Mariano, which loads a lot of stuff >> to build a Development image. >> >> Guille >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: >> >>> Put another way, if it's that simple, why all the contrary instructions >>> over time? >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ >>> pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Camillo Bruni >>> [camillobruni(a)gmail.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:40 PM >>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration >>> browser more visible? >>> >>> On 2012-04-27, at 01:17, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>> >>> > Can they really download stuff? How much? Until the configurations >>> are truly self-describing and "know" what to use for which version of >>> Pharo[*], the Config Browser is really (sorry guys) a very clear >>> illustration of what we have yet to do in the way of packaging. >>> > >>> > Bill >>> > >>> > [*] there needs to be one incantation that works to load everything, >>> something like #loadStable. Then a config browser can work as advertised, >>> and I fear, not until. Prove me wrong :) >>> >>> seems like you missed something (Metacello Configurations)? it's done >>> like this in st-code: >>> >>> ConfigurationOfXYZ project load: #stable >>> >>> >>> > ________________________________________ >>> > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ >>> pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane >>> Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] >>> > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:17 PM >>> > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration >>> browser more visible? >>> > >>> > Ok for me. >>> > Package Maps Loader >>> > >>> > Stef >>> > >>> >> What about naming it "Package Loader" or "Package center" or >>> something like that? >>> >> And putting it in the main menu instead of inside of Tools? >>> >> >>> >> I want people who open pharo for the first time to say "Hey, here I >>> can download stuff!!!" >>> >> >>> >> Guille >>> >>> >>> >> >

April 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Who is maintaining the Grease configuration

by Dale Henrichs

Stef, Just pushed new version of Grease that loads into Pharo2.0 ... the slime/refactoring core aspect of Grease is not loaded for now... Dale ----- Original Message ----- | From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> | To: "Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Development" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> | Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:37:14 AM | Subject: [Pharo-project] Who is maintaining the Grease configuration | | Because we should create a symbolic version for 20 | | This package depends on the following classes: | BlockContext | You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load | these definitions: | fixCallbackTemps | tempVarRefs | valueWithPossibleArguments: | | |

April 27, 2012

[Pharo-project] SSL plugin for linux

by Igor Stasenko

hi, i built ssl plugin i didn't tested but at least it find it and loads and i were able to run 1st primitive: primitiveSSLCreate "Primitive. Creates and returns a new SSL handle in the VM plugin" <primitive: 'primitiveCreate' module: 'SqueakSSL'> ^ self primitiveFailed i updated the configuration & added missing source files in this commit: https://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed/commit/59ef1cb1c70a93ed3c974b5d6beea0e4… to build SSL plugin you must have ssl, and ssl-dev libs installed: sudo apt-get install openssl sudo apt-get install libssl-dev You can download prebuilt plugin from here: http://code.google.com/p/cog/downloads/detail?name=libSqueakSSL.so.gz&can=2… (it is with debug info, since i used debug config to build it) To build it, you shoud use >= CMakeVMMaker-IgorStasenko.157 and CogUnixConfig new addExternalPlugins: #( ... yours ... SqueakSSLPlugin ) generateSources; generate. please try plugin, if it works, so we can include it in standard build and be built automatically on jenkins server. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

It's nice that there are examples that work, but the vast majority of configs are not so well organized. ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Guillermo Polito [guillermopolito(a)gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:26 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible? I meant: Example of 1) is you loading OmniBrowser or Nautilus. Example of 2) is your project using a specific version of XmlSupport or seaside. Example of 3) is the ImageBuilder of Mariano, which loads a lot of stuff to build a Development image. :P On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com<mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote: Wat? Probably there was a misunderstood... 1) if you are an user of the project, stable should be enough and fine. 2) if your project is coupled to the project, probably you are coupled to an specific version. Thus, in your configuration you better put the specific number :). 3) if your project is not coupled to the project, just inteded to load it, using stable should be enough and fine. Example of 1) is you loading OmniBrowser or Nautilus. Example of 2) is your project using a specific version of XmlSupport or seaside. Example of 3) is the ImageBuilder of Mariano, which loads a lot of stuff to build a Development image. Guille On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: Put another way, if it's that simple, why all the contrary instructions over time? ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] on behalf of Camillo Bruni [camillobruni(a)gmail.com<mailto:camillobruni@gmail.com>] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:40 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible? On 2012-04-27, at 01:17, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Can they really download stuff? How much? Until the configurations are truly self-describing and "know" what to use for which version of Pharo[*], the Config Browser is really (sorry guys) a very clear illustration of what we have yet to do in the way of packaging. > > Bill > > [*] there needs to be one incantation that works to load everything, something like #loadStable. Then a config browser can work as advertised, and I fear, not until. Prove me wrong :) seems like you missed something (Metacello Configurations)? it's done like this in st-code: ConfigurationOfXYZ project load: #stable > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr<mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>] > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:17 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible? > > Ok for me. > Package Maps Loader > > Stef > >> What about naming it "Package Loader" or "Package center" or something like that? >> And putting it in the main menu instead of inside of Tools? >> >> I want people who open pharo for the first time to say "Hey, here I can download stuff!!!" >> >> Guille

April 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Sorry, too many counter-examples. The situation has improved with time, but overall, it's a complicated mess with instructions that change almost weekly. Just being honest. ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Guillermo Polito [guillermopolito(a)gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:26 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible? Wat? Probably there was a misunderstood... 1) if you are an user of the project, stable should be enough and fine. 2) if your project is coupled to the project, probably you are coupled to an specific version. Thus, in your configuration you better put the specific number :). 3) if your project is not coupled to the project, just inteded to load it, using stable should be enough and fine. Example of 2) is you loading OmniBrowser or Nautilus. Example of 3) is your project using a specific version of XmlSupport or seaside. Example of 4) is the ImageBuilder of Mariano, which loads a lot of stuff to build a Development image. Guille On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: Put another way, if it's that simple, why all the contrary instructions over time? ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] on behalf of Camillo Bruni [camillobruni(a)gmail.com<mailto:camillobruni@gmail.com>] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:40 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible? On 2012-04-27, at 01:17, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Can they really download stuff? How much? Until the configurations are truly self-describing and "know" what to use for which version of Pharo[*], the Config Browser is really (sorry guys) a very clear illustration of what we have yet to do in the way of packaging. > > Bill > > [*] there needs to be one incantation that works to load everything, something like #loadStable. Then a config browser can work as advertised, and I fear, not until. Prove me wrong :) seems like you missed something (Metacello Configurations)? it's done like this in st-code: ConfigurationOfXYZ project load: #stable > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr<mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>] > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:17 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible? > > Ok for me. > Package Maps Loader > > Stef > >> What about naming it "Package Loader" or "Package center" or something like that? >> And putting it in the main menu instead of inside of Tools? >> >> I want people who open pharo for the first time to say "Hey, here I can download stuff!!!" >> >> Guille

April 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible?

by Guillermo Polito

I meant: Example of 1) is you loading OmniBrowser or Nautilus. Example of 2) is your project using a specific version of XmlSupport or seaside. Example of 3) is the ImageBuilder of Mariano, which loads a lot of stuff to build a Development image. :P On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Wat? Probably there was a misunderstood... > > 1) if you are an user of the project, stable should be enough and fine. > 2) if your project is coupled to the project, probably you are coupled to > an specific version. Thus, in your configuration you better put the > specific number :). > 3) if your project is not coupled to the project, just inteded to load it, > using stable should be enough and fine. > > Example of 1) is you loading OmniBrowser or Nautilus. > Example of 2) is your project using a specific version of XmlSupport or > seaside. > Example of 3) is the ImageBuilder of Mariano, which loads a lot of stuff > to build a Development image. > > Guille > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: > >> Put another way, if it's that simple, why all the contrary instructions >> over time? >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ >> pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Camillo Bruni [ >> camillobruni(a)gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:40 PM >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration >> browser more visible? >> >> On 2012-04-27, at 01:17, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >> >> > Can they really download stuff? How much? Until the configurations >> are truly self-describing and "know" what to use for which version of >> Pharo[*], the Config Browser is really (sorry guys) a very clear >> illustration of what we have yet to do in the way of packaging. >> > >> > Bill >> > >> > [*] there needs to be one incantation that works to load everything, >> something like #loadStable. Then a config browser can work as advertised, >> and I fear, not until. Prove me wrong :) >> >> seems like you missed something (Metacello Configurations)? it's done >> like this in st-code: >> >> ConfigurationOfXYZ project load: #stable >> >> >> > ________________________________________ >> > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ >> pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane >> Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] >> > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:17 PM >> > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration >> browser more visible? >> > >> > Ok for me. >> > Package Maps Loader >> > >> > Stef >> > >> >> What about naming it "Package Loader" or "Package center" or something >> like that? >> >> And putting it in the main menu instead of inside of Tools? >> >> >> >> I want people who open pharo for the first time to say "Hey, here I >> can download stuff!!!" >> >> >> >> Guille >> >> >> >

April 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible?

by Guillermo Polito

Wat? Probably there was a misunderstood... 1) if you are an user of the project, stable should be enough and fine. 2) if your project is coupled to the project, probably you are coupled to an specific version. Thus, in your configuration you better put the specific number :). 3) if your project is not coupled to the project, just inteded to load it, using stable should be enough and fine. Example of 2) is you loading OmniBrowser or Nautilus. Example of 3) is your project using a specific version of XmlSupport or seaside. Example of 4) is the ImageBuilder of Mariano, which loads a lot of stuff to build a Development image. Guille On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: > Put another way, if it's that simple, why all the contrary instructions > over time? > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Camillo Bruni [ > camillobruni(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:40 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration > browser more visible? > > On 2012-04-27, at 01:17, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > > > Can they really download stuff? How much? Until the configurations are > truly self-describing and "know" what to use for which version of Pharo[*], > the Config Browser is really (sorry guys) a very clear illustration of what > we have yet to do in the way of packaging. > > > > Bill > > > > [*] there needs to be one incantation that works to load everything, > something like #loadStable. Then a config browser can work as advertised, > and I fear, not until. Prove me wrong :) > > seems like you missed something (Metacello Configurations)? it's done like > this in st-code: > > ConfigurationOfXYZ project load: #stable > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane > Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:17 PM > > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser > more visible? > > > > Ok for me. > > Package Maps Loader > > > > Stef > > > >> What about naming it "Package Loader" or "Package center" or something > like that? > >> And putting it in the main menu instead of inside of Tools? > >> > >> I want people who open pharo for the first time to say "Hey, here I can > download stuff!!!" > >> > >> Guille > > >

April 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Put another way, if it's that simple, why all the contrary instructions over time? ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Camillo Bruni [camillobruni(a)gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:40 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible? On 2012-04-27, at 01:17, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Can they really download stuff? How much? Until the configurations are truly self-describing and "know" what to use for which version of Pharo[*], the Config Browser is really (sorry guys) a very clear illustration of what we have yet to do in the way of packaging. > > Bill > > [*] there needs to be one incantation that works to load everything, something like #loadStable. Then a config browser can work as advertised, and I fear, not until. Prove me wrong :) seems like you missed something (Metacello Configurations)? it's done like this in st-code: ConfigurationOfXYZ project load: #stable > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:17 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible? > > Ok for me. > Package Maps Loader > > Stef > >> What about naming it "Package Loader" or "Package center" or something like that? >> And putting it in the main menu instead of inside of Tools? >> >> I want people who open pharo for the first time to say "Hey, here I can download stuff!!!" >> >> Guille

April 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

In the past, that hasn't been universal. More recently, I was told to *always* load specific versions; never use the symbolic versions. We have to get our story straight on this. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Camillo Bruni [camillobruni(a)gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:40 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible? On 2012-04-27, at 01:17, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Can they really download stuff? How much? Until the configurations are truly self-describing and "know" what to use for which version of Pharo[*], the Config Browser is really (sorry guys) a very clear illustration of what we have yet to do in the way of packaging. > > Bill > > [*] there needs to be one incantation that works to load everything, something like #loadStable. Then a config browser can work as advertised, and I fear, not until. Prove me wrong :) seems like you missed something (Metacello Configurations)? it's done like this in st-code: ConfigurationOfXYZ project load: #stable > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:17 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration browser more visible? > > Ok for me. > Package Maps Loader > > Stef > >> What about naming it "Package Loader" or "Package center" or something like that? >> And putting it in the main menu instead of inside of Tools? >> >> I want people who open pharo for the first time to say "Hey, here I can download stuff!!!" >> >> Guille

April 27, 2012

[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20024

by Marcus Denker

20024 ----- Issue 5719: Create trait with Nautilus fails http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5719 -> last Nautilus and Spec packages -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

April 27, 2012