April 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Fuel, FuelMetalevel, FuelPackageLevel and "code" serialization Re: Stupid question about Fuel

by Edgar J. De Cleene

On 4/15/12 3:48 PM, "Mariano Martinez Peck" <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > No problem. I was thinking to add this explanation to the Fuel website.... Having the Fuel website high in my bookmarks. Very good show.. Edgar

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Stupid question about Fuel

by Edgar J. De Cleene

On 4/15/12 2:59 PM, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > I think that pharo serves a need. The need for something solid and free from > restrictions related to software. > > Got interested in Smallatalk and Squeak quite a long time ago. But never moved > past the toy-stage with them. Went homoiconic with Tcl and "OO" with the whole > Java chain. > > With Pharo, there is a sense of progress, cleanliness, and will to push the > boundary by making some hard choices. > > And this made me interested in how things worked inside, and invest time and > energy in making it a key target platform for my ideas-materialization > activities in my business. Because business thrives on something solid, and > innovation doesn't like arbitrary restrictions. > > Owning and mastering the whole chain from VM up to Image detail is huge. In > Squeak, it is accretion. I think Pharo leans more towards the > "crystallization" side of things. (Yep, I drank the kool-aid). > > Philippe Agree with all Edgar

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Stupid question about Fuel

by Edgar J. De Cleene

On 4/15/12 2:53 PM, "Pavel Krivanek" <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We may be happy that this two forks share the same virtual machine. I > didn't see any real Squeak vision and nothing changed from that time. > You may try to change it and convince Squeak community about some. > > Cheers, > -- Pavel I running for the Board this year and if I become elected, try to convince SOB members to wake up of comatose status of Squeak. You was right, Pharo have a vision and SOB members complain about Andreas not leading the community. Also I wish Andreas come back, but is time to grow up. Cheers Edgar P.S. Apple should survive Steve pass away .....

April 16, 2012

[Pharo-project] about http://sleepycoders.blogspot.fr/2012/04/peer-to-peer-networking-in-pharo.html

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Cool! We need more of such blog. It would be great to have a look at the gossiping protocol on squeaksource to have real P2P structure. http://www.squeaksource.com/P2P.html and also DGV project http://www.squeaksource.com/DGV.html I could not understand how to add a comment on the web site so here it is. Stef

April 16, 2012

[Pharo-project] Hello newcomers on Pharo lists...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

The pharo mailing-list is regularly attracting some newcomers and I would like to welcome them :) So welcome! We really want to improve the system so your contribution are welcomed. Now the first contribution you can do is to sign the license http://www.pharo-project.org/community/how-to-contribute http://www.pharo-project.org/license Signing the license is also important because we can show to our employer that they invest good money. Do not hesitate to let us know what you are doing and how we can improve the system and let you invent your future :) Stef and the crew here.

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo in OpenShift

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Excellent!!!! > I'm doing some efforts to make Pharo work in OpenShift (the cloud initiative > of Red Hat) using the DIY (do it yourself) cartridge. > > I started trying with Swazoo, but looks like SwazooServer is ignoring the ip > address specified and binding to all interfaces (0.0.0.0) (Was an advice of > a RedHat engineer). > > Then tried with Zinc (thanks Sven by the off list help [1]) and seems to > work now (Using #bindingAddress:). > > I need still to polish a ton of things (the code itself, that not always > work ok reading the RedHat environment (I'm doing via OSProcess), also I > need to discover some random issues opening the authorized port, and finally > develop the automation scripts to start/stop/restart). But I'm happy because > is proved that the cog vm 2540 + Pharo 1.4 with Zinc works ok in OpenShift, > as you can see at: http://zinc-garduino.rhcloud.com/ > > When I have more progress I will comment and document, my goal is that > Smalltalk get included as an option in OpenShift (as currently are php, > python, java, ruby). We are not second class citizens :) > > I must also say a big thanks to several people of Red Hat because they have > showed your interest in Pharo and helped me a lot. > > The interesting part of OpenShift is that in the Express version 1.5 GB RAM > and 3 GB disk space are availables for free! > > > Well, it's all for now, cheers! > > > [1] Sven, the latest mcz published today of ZincHTTPComponents seems to have > some issues with the newest method #bindingAddress: (I don't have time now, > but will try to reproduce in the next days if you need). > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-in-OpenShift-tp4560365p4560365.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo in OpenShift

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi GÃ©rman, On 16 Apr 2012, at 03:59, garduino wrote: > Hi People: > > I'm doing some efforts to make Pharo work in OpenShift (the cloud initiative > of Red Hat) using the DIY (do it yourself) cartridge. > > I started trying with Swazoo, but looks like SwazooServer is ignoring the ip > address specified and binding to all interfaces (0.0.0.0) (Was an advice of > a RedHat engineer). > > Then tried with Zinc (thanks Sven by the off list help [1]) and seems to > work now (Using #bindingAddress:). > > I need still to polish a ton of things (the code itself, that not always > work ok reading the RedHat environment (I'm doing via OSProcess), also I > need to discover some random issues opening the authorized port, and finally > develop the automation scripts to start/stop/restart). But I'm happy because > is proved that the cog vm 2540 + Pharo 1.4 with Zinc works ok in OpenShift, > as you can see at: http://zinc-garduino.rhcloud.com/ That is great news indeed. An alternative to getting the environment variables with OSProcess would be to pass their values to the image via the command line. I have a script to control an image in the way unix expects it, it is part of this demo: http://forum.world.st/Updated-Pharo-HTTP-Server-Single-Command-Line-Demo-td… > When I have more progress I will comment and document, my goal is that > Smalltalk get included as an option in OpenShift (as currently are php, > python, java, ruby). We are not second class citizens :) Yes, please do write about it. > I must also say a big thanks to several people of Red Hat because they have > showed your interest in Pharo and helped me a lot. > > The interesting part of OpenShift is that in the Express version 1.5 GB RAM > and 3 GB disk space are availables for free! Is that temporary or for real ? > Well, it's all for now, cheers! > > > [1] Sven, the latest mcz published today of ZincHTTPComponents seems to have > some issues with the newest method #bindingAddress: (I don't have time now, > but will try to reproduce in the next days if you need). Ah, yes, I did a checkin from another image and I forgot to merge: Name: Zinc-HTTP-SvenVanCaekenberghe.258 Author: SvenVanCaekenberghe Time: 16 April 2012, 6:25:41 am UUID: 0c026aa8-59d1-42db-a714-8079feca26d3 Ancestors: Zinc-HTTP-SvenVanCaekenberghe.257, Zinc-HTTP-SvenVanCaekenberghe.256 merging forgotten 255 & 256 into 257 Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

April 16, 2012

[Pharo-project] Pharo in OpenShift

by garduino

Hi People: I'm doing some efforts to make Pharo work in OpenShift (the cloud initiative of Red Hat) using the DIY (do it yourself) cartridge. I started trying with Swazoo, but looks like SwazooServer is ignoring the ip address specified and binding to all interfaces (0.0.0.0) (Was an advice of a RedHat engineer). Then tried with Zinc (thanks Sven by the off list help [1]) and seems to work now (Using #bindingAddress:). I need still to polish a ton of things (the code itself, that not always work ok reading the RedHat environment (I'm doing via OSProcess), also I need to discover some random issues opening the authorized port, and finally develop the automation scripts to start/stop/restart). But I'm happy because is proved that the cog vm 2540 + Pharo 1.4 with Zinc works ok in OpenShift, as you can see at: http://zinc-garduino.rhcloud.com/ When I have more progress I will comment and document, my goal is that Smalltalk get included as an option in OpenShift (as currently are php, python, java, ruby). We are not second class citizens :) I must also say a big thanks to several people of Red Hat because they have showed your interest in Pharo and helped me a lot. The interesting part of OpenShift is that in the Express version 1.5 GB RAM and 3 GB disk space are availables for free! Well, it's all for now, cheers! [1] Sven, the latest mcz published today of ZincHTTPComponents seems to have some issues with the newest method #bindingAddress: (I don't have time now, but will try to reproduce in the next days if you need). -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-in-OpenShift-tp4560365p4560365.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Help-smalltalk] GSoC news: 13 stipendiums!

by Carla F. Griggio

Hi Stef, We're not interested just in tab separated format, you're right about that, it's not a lot of work and it's already done (CSV). Yuriy and Saurav have been writing comments on the proposal and answering your question. Cheers! Carla. On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:53 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > > On Apr 12, 2012, at 11:18 AM, H. Hirzel wrote: > > > For example I'd like > > > > http://gsoc2012.esug.org/projects/excel-export > > why excel export takes more than a couple of hours? > Tab separated format? > > > > and > > http://gsoc2012.esug.org/projects/epub > > > > both favor communication with the outside world.... > > > > --Hannes > > > > On 4/12/12, Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Great! But, how do we vote? :) > >> > >> 2012/4/12 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> > >> > >>> Dear Smalltalkers, > >>> > >>> Wonderful news, we got 13 "slots" from Google, that is, 13 students and > >>> their proposals will be accepted for Google and they will receive > >>> stipendiums if they will do their projects right. More exactly, part of > >>> 4500 USD immediately, part after interim evaluation and part at > >>> successful finish of their projects. > >>> > >>> We have currently 18 paired projects, that is, projects paired with one > >>> student among their many proposals. You can see that from project > table, > >>> see which are currently accepted (column Acc.): > >>> > >>> http://gsoc2012.esug.org/projects?view=projectTable > >>> > >>> Now mentors need to review and score those 18 project proposals to > >>> indicate which are the best among all that nice proposals and to come > >>> with number down to 13. This will happen until next Friday 20.April, > >>> when we will finally decide, which 13 students to accept. Google will > >>> then officially confirm them in few days after. > >>> > >>> Best regards > >>> Janko & Carla > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > >>> http://gsoc2012.esug.org > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> help-smalltalk mailing list > >>> help-smalltalk(a)gnu.org > >>> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-smalltalk > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Bernat Romagosa. > >> > > > > >

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net post asking about Smalltalk

by Lawson English

I went ahead and plugged my videos and so on in my response. L. On 4/15/12 7:12 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 15 April 2012 14:46, askoh<askoh(a)askoh.com> wrote: >> Some is interested in using Smalltalk for prototyping of games. >> http://www.gamedev.net/topic/623380-game-programming-in-smalltalk/ >> >> I think we should respond very constructively on gamedev.net to entice >> gamers to try Smalltalk. Programmers are coming to appreciate dynamic >> languages and we can capitalize on that. >> > can you respond (i'm not registered there), that we have NBOpenGL > :) > http://www.squeaksource.com/NBOpenGL.html > > as guy want, a low-level binding. > > there's even some videos made by Lawson English running the demo. > >> Go Smalltalk, >> Aik-Siong Koh >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/gamedev-net-post-asking-about-Smalltalk-tp4559039p455… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >

April 15, 2012